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They are pure evil. They don’t make the first level, side section available at MSG for the Ten Club, then they charge $500 + to Ten Club members a week later for those seats - which were available to the Ten Club for every other MSG show ever.

Going to Philly, can’t wait. 
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  • SHZASHZA Posts: 3,933
    edited February 23
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
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  • kmcmanuskmcmanus Posts: 738
    For NY & LA this isn’t even TM’s fault (they still suck though), first dibs on those tix went to Knicks & Lakers season ticket holders. Venue policies.
    please don’t interpret this as a defense of TM, they suck.
  • AlaGAlaG Posts: 976
    kmcmanus said:
    For NY & LA this isn’t even TM’s fault (they still suck though), first dibs on those tix went to Knicks & Lakers season ticket holders. Venue policies.
    please don’t interpret this as a defense of TM, they suck.
    Sounds like Knicks season tickets pay for themselves if you're willing to be a scalper :angry:
  • HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 5,198
    edited February 23
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    From what I understand, MSG and the Forum have new presale policies effective within the past year. So blame Dolan and Ballmer. The same grayed out sections for MSG were grayed out for Tool’s presale. Eventually those sections became standard pricing a week before their shows at MSG.
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2
  • SHZASHZA Posts: 3,933
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    From what I understand, MSG and the Forum have new presale policies effective within the past year. So blame Dolan and Ballmer. The same grayed out sections for MSG were grayed out for Tool’s presale. Eventually those sections became standard pricing a week before their shows at MSG.
    Then the band agreed to the MSG and Forum policy. They didn't have to. Last I checked there are numerous other venues in both cities 
  • HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 5,198
    SHZA said:
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    From what I understand, MSG and the Forum have new presale policies effective within the past year. So blame Dolan and Ballmer. The same grayed out sections for MSG were grayed out for Tool’s presale. Eventually those sections became standard pricing a week before their shows at MSG.
    Then the band agreed to the MSG and Forum policy. They didn't have to. Last I checked there are numerous other venues in both cities 
    For sure, the only way to get out of that policy is to not play there. Don’t think UBS would have been a good fit, Brooklyn maybe? They shouldn’t even be playing CA again 😆 
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2
  • yosiyosi Posts: 3,038
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    From what I understand, MSG and the Forum have new presale policies effective within the past year. So blame Dolan and Ballmer. The same grayed out sections for MSG were grayed out for Tool’s presale. Eventually those sections became standard pricing a week before their shows at MSG.
    This may be true, but if you aren’t one of the verified fans now, it won’t matter in a couple of months because you’ll still be waitlisted…
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,858
    yosi said:
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    From what I understand, MSG and the Forum have new presale policies effective within the past year. So blame Dolan and Ballmer. The same grayed out sections for MSG were grayed out for Tool’s presale. Eventually those sections became standard pricing a week before their shows at MSG.
    This may be true, but if you aren’t one of the verified fans now, it won’t matter in a couple of months because you’ll still be waitlisted…
    That is crazy, after the initial sale has ended and predetermined amount of time has passed, the code requirement should be dropped.
  • HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 5,198
    Yeah, I remember the morning of MSG 2022 they released the barstools behind the stage and the only way to get them was to dig and find your code from 2020 😂 
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2
  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 100
    yosi said:
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    From what I understand, MSG and the Forum have new presale policies effective within the past year. So blame Dolan and Ballmer. The same grayed out sections for MSG were grayed out for Tool’s presale. Eventually those sections became standard pricing a week before their shows at MSG.
    This may be true, but if you aren’t one of the verified fans now, it won’t matter in a couple of months because you’ll still be waitlisted…
    They remove the code restriction eventually. Someone said for EU it was gone after 4 hours or so 
  • LukinTimerLukinTimer Posts: 538
    kmcmanus said:
    For NY & LA this isn’t even TM’s fault (they still suck though), first dibs on those tix went to Knicks & Lakers season ticket holders. Venue policies.
    please don’t interpret this as a defense of TM, they suck.
    I am not sure this is 100% the case. I know in Vancouver BC, the Canucks season tickets holders were not allocated their normal club seats. Apparently the promoter took them. So, they ended up nearly back in the corners of the lower bowl, where typically the season ticket holders seats would have been the side sections closest to the stage. 

    Although, LA/MSG could be different. 
    "Holly f**k, that was so amazing, I just forgot who I came here to see!!" - Courtesy of the guy in the U2 t-shirt standing next to me in Aloha Stadium, Post PJ
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,503
    kmcmanus said:
    For NY & LA this isn’t even TM’s fault (they still suck though), first dibs on those tix went to Knicks & Lakers season ticket holders. Venue policies.
    please don’t interpret this as a defense of TM, they suck.
    Not the Lakers. The Lakers don't play at the Forum and haven't had any connection to it for many years. It was bought by MSG and renovated, and then sold to the owner of the Clippers. It's not clear who gets the seats that were excluded, but it could be season-ticket holders for the as-yet-unopened Intuit Dome, future home of the Clippers, which is also in Inglewood and also owned by Steve Ballmer.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,503
    DC9873 said:
    They are pure evil. They don’t make the first level, side section available at MSG for the Ten Club, then they charge $500 + to Ten Club members a week later for those seats - which were available to the Ten Club for every other MSG show ever.

    Going to Philly, can’t wait. 
    Those $500+ tickets are not being made available only to Ten Club members. They are being made available to people who registered for Verified Fan, some of whom will be Ten Club members, and then they'll be available to the general public.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • MisterEtake2MisterEtake2 Posts: 393
    Blame the Dolan family - they own MSG & The Forum.
  • spankyMPspankyMP Posts: 1,854
    The mystery of the crappier 10C seats has been solved. PJ Premium seating :(
    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 :( Baltimore 3/28/20 :( Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 513
    MisterEtake2 said:
    Blame the Dolan family - they own MSG & The Forum.
    Dolan sold The Forum to Steve Ballmer in 2020. The deal was to settle a dispute that occurred when Dolan was upset that Ballmer was building the Clippers state of the art arena down the block. That new arena opens this August.
  • kait0113kait0113 Posts: 6
    I got wait listed for today's sale and then when I clicked on Ticketmaster premium or whatever, I was a little shocked. I just can't figure out ... Why is Ticketmaster allowed to determine market value, but not the fans buying the tickets?  Ticketmaster can price gouge, but in order to "protect fans", we cannot sell them above face value. It's hilarious.
  • EddieredderEddieredder Posts: 740
    SHZA said:
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    From what I understand, MSG and the Forum have new presale policies effective within the past year. So blame Dolan and Ballmer. The same grayed out sections for MSG were grayed out for Tool’s presale. Eventually those sections became standard pricing a week before their shows at MSG.
    Then the band agreed to the MSG and Forum policy. They didn't have to. Last I checked there are numerous other venues in both cities 
    there was no season ticket holder presale in Seattle for Climate Pledge. my rep said it was an artist request
  • smile6680smile6680 Posts: 394
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    It's funny how people never understand this. 
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 513
    kait0113 said:
    I got wait listed for today's sale and then when I clicked on Ticketmaster premium or whatever, I was a little shocked. I just can't figure out ... Why is Ticketmaster allowed to determine market value, but not the fans buying the tickets?  Ticketmaster can price gouge, but in order to "protect fans", we cannot sell them above face value. It's hilarious.
    By far the worst part of the system is that TM won't let you sell tickets for less than you paid, even PJ Platinum, which is completely anti-competitive and pretty much means that people who overpay early will wind up eating their tickets if they can't go and the market drops. We've seen this for a huge number of shows on Ed's solo tour and Pearl Jam tours since they started the fan to fan marketplace. Fan A buys a Platinum ticket early for $700 and then if they need to sell them, TM forces them listed at $700 all the while reducing prices based on the market. So you'll see a fan trying to sell their $700 platinum tickets next to TM selling platinum tickets for 1/3 that price.

    I think Pearl Jam has been the fan friendliest act I've seen in my now going on 40 years of going to concerts but that is a huge error and should be changed to be better for fans.
  • ML3125ML3125 Posts: 11
    I didn't get tix in the lottery and didn't get a code for the TM presale. I can't find any info on when poor bastards like me get to pay $750 for nosebleed seats. Can anyone point me to the onsale dates for that?
  • kait0113kait0113 Posts: 6
    Luckytwn1 said:
    kait0113 said:
    I got wait listed for today's sale and then when I clicked on Ticketmaster premium or whatever, I was a little shocked. I just can't figure out ... Why is Ticketmaster allowed to determine market value, but not the fans buying the tickets?  Ticketmaster can price gouge, but in order to "protect fans", we cannot sell them above face value. It's hilarious.
    By far the worst part of the system is that TM won't let you sell tickets for less than you paid, even PJ Platinum, which is completely anti-competitive and pretty much means that people who overpay early will wind up eating their tickets if they can't go and the market drops. We've seen this for a huge number of shows on Ed's solo tour and Pearl Jam tours since they started the fan to fan marketplace. Fan A buys a Platinum ticket early for $700 and then if they need to sell them, TM forces them listed at $700 all the while reducing prices based on the market. So you'll see a fan trying to sell their $700 platinum tickets next to TM selling platinum tickets for 1/3 that price.

    I think Pearl Jam has been the fan friendliest act I've seen in my now going on 40 years of going to concerts but that is a huge error and should be changed to be better for fans.
    Wow, I had no idea selling under face value wasn't a option. That's really unfortunate. I'd much rather get a little back and have seats filled then get nothing back and people miss out on a show 
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,503
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,870
    Long game folks

    be strong

    fuck this panic they are pushing, we will be ok 
  • SHZASHZA Posts: 3,933
    edited February 24
    BF25394 said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.
    Just stating facts in response to the OP's suggestion that it is TM that decides to charge $500. It takes two to tango. No doubt it is a challenge to push back against TM's preferences, but the Cure showed that bands don't absolutely have to opt in to premium pricing. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with PJ's decision to do so, just pointing out that the premise that TM alone is calling the shots is not quite accurate. 
    Post edited by SHZA on
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,503
    CROJAM95 said:
    Long game folks

    be strong

    fuck this panic they are pushing, we will be ok 
    Definitely this. The shows are more than two months away. The highest-demand shows are more than six months away. There is no good reason to overpay for tickets today. Tickets will be available for less money later.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • Luckytwn1Luckytwn1 Posts: 513
    edited February 24
    BF25394 said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.




    The fact is many major arena shows are handled by an entity other than Live Nation. I don't know as much about Pearl Jam's booking demands but Springsteen opens up markets for bid. For example, his upcoming SD and Vegas shows are being promoted by AEG (and as a result, AXS sold tickets to those shows, not TM). The promoter and the band set pricing, not TM. In the case of someone like Springsteen, he asks for a guarantee and then the promoter negotiates for a specific pricing matrix that allows them to lessen risk. Bruce gets his money upfront whether 1 ticket is sold or the whole building. 
    Post edited by Luckytwn1 on
  • goldenegggoldenegg Posts: 371
    What I don't get is how there are tickets on Stubhub. The tickets are supposed to be non-transferable (with the exception of NYC and Chicago). How is it possible for people to sell tickets there?
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,503
    Luckytwn1 said:
    BF25394 said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.




    The fact is many major arena shows are handled by an entity other than Live Nation. I don't know as much about Pearl Jam's booking demands but Springsteen opens up markets for bid. For example, his upcoming SD and Vegas shows are being promoted by AEG (and as a result, AXS sold tickets to those shows, not TM). The promoter and the band set pricing, not TM. In the case of someone like Springsteen, he asks for a guarantee and then the promoter negotiates for a specific pricing matrix that allows them to lessen risk. Bruce gets his money upfront whether 1 ticket is sold or the whole building. 
    This is a fair point. Bruce is playing T-Mobile in Vegas whereas Pearl Jam is playing MGM Grand, and Bruce is playing Pechanga in San Diego whereas PJ usually plays at the San Diego State arena. So there are alternatives. The funny thing is that Pearl Jam might be opting to play TM venues because they have negotiated concessions from TM/LN that other promoters either won't agree to or can't administer. Would the lottery and F2F be possible if the North American tour was at a mix of TM, AXS and other venues?
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  • rival9500rival9500 Posts: 574
    edited February 24
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
    1998: Pitt
    2000: Pitt
    2003: Pitt, State College, Columbus,DC, Hershey
    2004: Reading, Toledo, DC
    2005: Pitt
    2006: Cleve, Camden 1+2, DC, Pitt, Cinci
    2008: Camden 1+2, DC
    2009: Philly 3
    2010: Columbus
    2012: Philly
    2013: Pitt, NYC 1+2
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