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  • ML3125
    ML3125 Posts: 11
    I didn't get tix in the lottery and didn't get a code for the TM presale. I can't find any info on when poor bastards like me get to pay $750 for nosebleed seats. Can anyone point me to the onsale dates for that?
  • kait0113
    kait0113 Utica Posts: 19
    Luckytwn1 said:
    kait0113 said:
    I got wait listed for today's sale and then when I clicked on Ticketmaster premium or whatever, I was a little shocked. I just can't figure out ... Why is Ticketmaster allowed to determine market value, but not the fans buying the tickets?  Ticketmaster can price gouge, but in order to "protect fans", we cannot sell them above face value. It's hilarious.
    By far the worst part of the system is that TM won't let you sell tickets for less than you paid, even PJ Platinum, which is completely anti-competitive and pretty much means that people who overpay early will wind up eating their tickets if they can't go and the market drops. We've seen this for a huge number of shows on Ed's solo tour and Pearl Jam tours since they started the fan to fan marketplace. Fan A buys a Platinum ticket early for $700 and then if they need to sell them, TM forces them listed at $700 all the while reducing prices based on the market. So you'll see a fan trying to sell their $700 platinum tickets next to TM selling platinum tickets for 1/3 that price.

    I think Pearl Jam has been the fan friendliest act I've seen in my now going on 40 years of going to concerts but that is a huge error and should be changed to be better for fans.
    Wow, I had no idea selling under face value wasn't a option. That's really unfortunate. I'd much rather get a little back and have seats filled then get nothing back and people miss out on a show 
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,939
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.
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  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,817
    Long game folks

    be strong

    fuck this panic they are pushing, we will be ok 
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    edited February 2024
    BF25394 said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.
    Just stating facts in response to the OP's suggestion that it is TM that decides to charge $500. It takes two to tango. No doubt it is a challenge to push back against TM's preferences, but the Cure showed that bands don't absolutely have to opt in to premium pricing. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with PJ's decision to do so, just pointing out that the premise that TM alone is calling the shots is not quite accurate. 
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,939
    CROJAM95 said:
    Long game folks

    be strong

    fuck this panic they are pushing, we will be ok 
    Definitely this. The shows are more than two months away. The highest-demand shows are more than six months away. There is no good reason to overpay for tickets today. Tickets will be available for less money later.
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  • Luckytwn1
    Luckytwn1 Posts: 517
    edited February 2024
    BF25394 said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.




    The fact is many major arena shows are handled by an entity other than Live Nation. I don't know as much about Pearl Jam's booking demands but Springsteen opens up markets for bid. For example, his upcoming SD and Vegas shows are being promoted by AEG (and as a result, AXS sold tickets to those shows, not TM). The promoter and the band set pricing, not TM. In the case of someone like Springsteen, he asks for a guarantee and then the promoter negotiates for a specific pricing matrix that allows them to lessen risk. Bruce gets his money upfront whether 1 ticket is sold or the whole building. 
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  • goldenegg
    goldenegg Posts: 371
    What I don't get is how there are tickets on Stubhub. The tickets are supposed to be non-transferable (with the exception of NYC and Chicago). How is it possible for people to sell tickets there?
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,939
    Luckytwn1 said:
    BF25394 said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.




    The fact is many major arena shows are handled by an entity other than Live Nation. I don't know as much about Pearl Jam's booking demands but Springsteen opens up markets for bid. For example, his upcoming SD and Vegas shows are being promoted by AEG (and as a result, AXS sold tickets to those shows, not TM). The promoter and the band set pricing, not TM. In the case of someone like Springsteen, he asks for a guarantee and then the promoter negotiates for a specific pricing matrix that allows them to lessen risk. Bruce gets his money upfront whether 1 ticket is sold or the whole building. 
    This is a fair point. Bruce is playing T-Mobile in Vegas whereas Pearl Jam is playing MGM Grand, and Bruce is playing Pechanga in San Diego whereas PJ usually plays at the San Diego State arena. So there are alternatives. The funny thing is that Pearl Jam might be opting to play TM venues because they have negotiated concessions from TM/LN that other promoters either won't agree to or can't administer. Would the lottery and F2F be possible if the North American tour was at a mix of TM, AXS and other venues?
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  • rival9500
    rival9500 Posts: 593
    edited February 2024
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    rival9500 said:
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
    Could mean that the fans have learned from last year not to buy 
  • rival9500
    rival9500 Posts: 593
    SHZA said:
    rival9500 said:
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
    Could mean that the fans have learned from last year not to buy 
    I hope that’s it.
    1998: Pitt
    2000: Pitt
    2003: Pitt, State College, Columbus,DC, Hershey
    2004: Reading, Toledo, DC
    2005: Pitt
    2006: Cleve, Camden 1+2, DC, Pitt, Cinci
    2008: Camden 1+2, DC
    2009: Philly 3
    2010: Columbus
    2012: Philly
    2013: Pitt, NYC 1+2
  • ekwipt
    ekwipt Vancouver Posts: 1,033
    rival9500 said:
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
    Feels especially gross that better seats are being sold this way than were awarded to relatively high seniority 10club lottery winners. 
  • goldenegg
    goldenegg Posts: 371
    SHZA said:
    rival9500 said:
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
    Could mean that the fans have learned from last year not to buy 
    Vegas, Seattle and NYC are nearly sold out. So people are buying. It will ultimately vary by city. The more popular shows are going to have most (if not all) of their premium tickets sold. There are typically more people in those cities with significant amounts of disposable income, so the prices are fine for them.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,939
    goldenegg said:
    SHZA said:
    rival9500 said:
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
    Could mean that the fans have learned from last year not to buy 
    Vegas, Seattle and NYC are nearly sold out. So people are buying. It will ultimately vary by city. The more popular shows are going to have most (if not all) of their premium tickets sold. There are typically more people in those cities with significant amounts of disposable income, so the prices are fine for them.
    Don't assume that because tickets are not showing as available on the site right now that they are sold. Delisting unsold tickets is one of the methods Ticketmaster uses to create artificial scarcity that drives people to make purchases out of fear that they'll miss out if they don't act right now.
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  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,019
    BF25394 said:
    goldenegg said:
    SHZA said:
    rival9500 said:
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
    Could mean that the fans have learned from last year not to buy 
    Vegas, Seattle and NYC are nearly sold out. So people are buying. It will ultimately vary by city. The more popular shows are going to have most (if not all) of their premium tickets sold. There are typically more people in those cities with significant amounts of disposable income, so the prices are fine for them.
    Don't assume that because tickets are not showing as available on the site right now that they are sold. Delisting unsold tickets is one of the methods Ticketmaster uses to create artificial scarcity that drives people to make purchases out of fear that they'll miss out if they don't act right now.
    Absolutely!
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  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    edited February 2024
    goldenegg said:
    SHZA said:
    rival9500 said:
    it really is gross how many PJ Premium tickets there are. Way more than last year it seems.
    Could mean that the fans have learned from last year not to buy 
    Vegas, Seattle and NYC are nearly sold out. So people are buying. It will ultimately vary by city. The more popular shows are going to have most (if not all) of their premium tickets sold. There are typically more people in those cities with significant amounts of disposable income, so the prices are fine for them.
    Then those shows are not consistent with the theory that there is a "gross" amount of premium tickets 
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    SHZA said:
    BF25394 said:
    SHZA said:
    The band agreed to that arrangement. TM doesn't own the tickets, they just collect a fee for selling them 
    Isn't this understating the situation? Ticketmaster is a subsidiary of Live Nation Entertainment, which has something approaching a monopoly on the kind of venues that Pearl Jam is looking to play. Yes, Pearl Jam could choose to play only venues that are not owned or operated by Live Nation, but it would probably mean they wouldn't be able to play the biggest and best venues. When they attempted to play alternative venues in 1995 to avoid having to deal with Ticketmaster, it was rife with problems. They're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. Imagine if Pearl Jam didn't have the clout they have. There would be no tickets set aside for Ten Club members. They'd be set aside for Citi or AmEx cardholders and the like.
    Just stating facts in response to the OP's suggestion that it is TM that decides to charge $500. It takes two to tango. No doubt it is a challenge to push back against TM's preferences, but the Cure showed that bands don't absolutely have to opt in to premium pricing. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with PJ's decision to do so, just pointing out that the premise that TM alone is calling the shots is not quite accurate. 
    And Robert Smith in his statement announcing the tour and its logistics said basically he didn't need to make as much money from the tour as he possibly could. He was making a very reasonable wage and not looking to gouge his fans for every last nickel. Something any artist could do, but a very select few opt to do.
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