"Dark Matter" and its tracks on the charts

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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,521
    BF25394 said:
    demetrios said:
    BF25394 said:
    Original post updated for charts for week ending November 30, 2024.

    "Waiting for Stevie" drops from its peak of No. 15 to No. 16 in its twelfth week on the Mainstream Rock Airplay chart and climbs from No. 16 to a new peak of No. 14 in its ninth week on the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart.

    Stop dropping already. 
    That ought to do it.
    D'oh! 


  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    not Dark Matter but still Pearl Jam 
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Original post updated for charts for week ending December 7, 2024.

    "Waiting for Stevie" rebounds from No. 16 to a new peak of No. 13 in its thirteenth week on the Mainstream Rock Airplay chart and drops from No. 14 to No. 15 in its tenth week on the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart.
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  • igotid88
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    Wonder if the 4,000 copies sold would hell move WFS up another rock chart. But which? I guess the Hot 100 but they don't have enough airplay or streams to even crack the top 300
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  • BF25394
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    igotid88 said:
    Wonder if the 4,000 copies sold would hell move WFS up another rock chart. But which? I guess the Hot 100 but they don't have enough airplay or streams to even crack the top 300
    There isn't a rock chart that tracks physical single sales. Even if there were a chart where the double-sided single would see a jump next week, it would be gimmicky and not really reflective of any actual increase in popularity of the songs or any traction they're getting with a wider audience. (Of course, a lot of the charts are now gimmicky, which is why they're not all that useful anymore.)
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Wonder if the 4,000 copies sold would hell move WFS up another rock chart. But which? I guess the Hot 100 but they don't have enough airplay or streams to even crack the top 300
    There isn't a rock chart that tracks physical single sales. Even if there were a chart where the double-sided single would see a jump next week, it would be gimmicky and not really reflective of any actual increase in popularity of the songs or any traction they're getting with a wider audience. (Of course, a lot of the charts are now gimmicky, which is why they're not all that useful anymore.)
    There has to be a rock chart that the equivalent of the hot 100 where they combine streams/digital sales/physical/radio play
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Wonder if the 4,000 copies sold would hell move WFS up another rock chart. But which? I guess the Hot 100 but they don't have enough airplay or streams to even crack the top 300
    There isn't a rock chart that tracks physical single sales. Even if there were a chart where the double-sided single would see a jump next week, it would be gimmicky and not really reflective of any actual increase in popularity of the songs or any traction they're getting with a wider audience. (Of course, a lot of the charts are now gimmicky, which is why they're not all that useful anymore.)
    There has to be a rock chart that the equivalent of the hot 100 where they combine streams/digital sales/physical/radio play
    The Hot Rock Songs and Hot Rock & Alternative Songs charts do that, but I don't know that 4,000 in sales-- many of which won't be tracked because many independent record stores don't report to Luminate-- would be enough to get either song into the top 50. We'll find out next week, I guess.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,650
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Wonder if the 4,000 copies sold would hell move WFS up another rock chart. But which? I guess the Hot 100 but they don't have enough airplay or streams to even crack the top 300
    There isn't a rock chart that tracks physical single sales. Even if there were a chart where the double-sided single would see a jump next week, it would be gimmicky and not really reflective of any actual increase in popularity of the songs or any traction they're getting with a wider audience. (Of course, a lot of the charts are now gimmicky, which is why they're not all that useful anymore.)
    There has to be a rock chart that the equivalent of the hot 100 where they combine streams/digital sales/physical/radio play
    The Hot Rock Songs and Hot Rock & Alternative Songs charts do that, but I don't know that 4,000 in sales-- many of which won't be tracked because many independent record stores don't report to Luminate-- would be enough to get either song into the top 50. We'll find out next week, I guess.
    Hard to keep up because they change the names of it
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Wonder if the 4,000 copies sold would hell move WFS up another rock chart. But which? I guess the Hot 100 but they don't have enough airplay or streams to even crack the top 300
    There isn't a rock chart that tracks physical single sales. Even if there were a chart where the double-sided single would see a jump next week, it would be gimmicky and not really reflective of any actual increase in popularity of the songs or any traction they're getting with a wider audience. (Of course, a lot of the charts are now gimmicky, which is why they're not all that useful anymore.)
    There has to be a rock chart that the equivalent of the hot 100 where they combine streams/digital sales/physical/radio play
    The Hot Rock Songs and Hot Rock & Alternative Songs charts do that, but I don't know that 4,000 in sales-- many of which won't be tracked because many independent record stores don't report to Luminate-- would be enough to get either song into the top 50. We'll find out next week, I guess.
    Hard to keep up because they change the names of it
    The ones that have "Songs" in the name tend to encompass sales, streaming and airplay, but the formula overvalues streams to the point that it's very hard to perform well without a lot of streaming. One thing that can overcome that bias is an outsized sales number. If you sell 100,000 singles in a week were no one else sells more than a few hundred, you'll get a disproportionately high number of sales points. This is how a couple of those K-Pop singles managed to hit number one on the Hot 100. They'd drop a physical single, it would sell 100,000 copies in a week in a world where physical singles have largely disappeared, and the chart formula gets gamed.
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  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 960
    edited December 2024
    WFS is a slow burner increasing in popularity over a longer period of time vs the other singles which were pushed to radio.
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  • Dr. Stip Zoidberg
    Dr. Stip Zoidberg Posts: 256
    To be fair, that baffling radio edit drops Waiting for Stevie from a Top Ten pearl jam song to merely a very good one.

    Out now!
  • spankyMP
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    Dr. Stip Zoidberg said:
    To be fair, that baffling radio edit drops Waiting for Stevie from a Top Ten pearl jam song to merely a very good one.
    To Be Fair - Letterkenny

    But seriously, I agree. Terrible spot to start the fadeout. They should have left more solo and at least a couple of "you can be loved" before fading out.
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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,521
    BF25394 said:
    Original post updated for charts for week ending December 7, 2024.

    "Waiting for Stevie" rebounds from No. 16 to a new peak of No. 13 in its thirteenth week on the Mainstream Rock Airplay chart and drops from No. 14 to No. 15 in its tenth week on the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart.

    YES!
  • BF25394
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    vedpunk said:
    WFS is a slow burner increasing in popularity over a longer period of time vs the other singles which were pushed to radio.
    This came up before, and it's not really true. "Wreckage" took eleven weeks to reach its peak at Mainstream Rock (36-25-22-15-13-10-8-6-5-3-1), twelve weeks to reach its peak at Alternative (34-22-14-13-12-10-9-8-6-6-5-3) and fifteen weeks to reach its peak at Triple-A (40-22-15-11-10-7-6-6-3-3-3-3-2-2-1). On the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart, "Wreckage" reached its peak in its ninth week and stayed there for four weeks (18-12-7-5-5-3-4-3-2-2-2-2). "Waiting for Stevie" peaked at No. 14 in its ninth week on that chart and then fell backward in its tenth week.
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  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 960
    BF25394 said:
    vedpunk said:
    WFS is a slow burner increasing in popularity over a longer period of time vs the other singles which were pushed to radio.
    This came up before, and it's not really true. "Wreckage" took eleven weeks to reach its peak at Mainstream Rock (36-25-22-15-13-10-8-6-5-3-1), twelve weeks to reach its peak at Alternative (34-22-14-13-12-10-9-8-6-6-5-3) and fifteen weeks to reach its peak at Triple-A (40-22-15-11-10-7-6-6-3-3-3-3-2-2-1). On the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart, "Wreckage" reached its peak in its ninth week and stayed there for four weeks (18-12-7-5-5-3-4-3-2-2-2-2). "Waiting for Stevie" peaked at No. 14 in its ninth week on that chart and then fell backward in its tenth week.
    New peak #13 and rising
  • The Juggler
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    vedpunk said:
    BF25394 said:
    vedpunk said:
    WFS is a slow burner increasing in popularity over a longer period of time vs the other singles which were pushed to radio.
    This came up before, and it's not really true. "Wreckage" took eleven weeks to reach its peak at Mainstream Rock (36-25-22-15-13-10-8-6-5-3-1), twelve weeks to reach its peak at Alternative (34-22-14-13-12-10-9-8-6-6-5-3) and fifteen weeks to reach its peak at Triple-A (40-22-15-11-10-7-6-6-3-3-3-3-2-2-1). On the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart, "Wreckage" reached its peak in its ninth week and stayed there for four weeks (18-12-7-5-5-3-4-3-2-2-2-2). "Waiting for Stevie" peaked at No. 14 in its ninth week on that chart and then fell backward in its tenth week.
    New peak #13 and rising
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    vedpunk said:
    BF25394 said:
    vedpunk said:
    WFS is a slow burner increasing in popularity over a longer period of time vs the other singles which were pushed to radio.
    This came up before, and it's not really true. "Wreckage" took eleven weeks to reach its peak at Mainstream Rock (36-25-22-15-13-10-8-6-5-3-1), twelve weeks to reach its peak at Alternative (34-22-14-13-12-10-9-8-6-6-5-3) and fifteen weeks to reach its peak at Triple-A (40-22-15-11-10-7-6-6-3-3-3-3-2-2-1). On the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart, "Wreckage" reached its peak in its ninth week and stayed there for four weeks (18-12-7-5-5-3-4-3-2-2-2-2). "Waiting for Stevie" peaked at No. 14 in its ninth week on that chart and then fell backward in its tenth week.
    New peak #13 and rising
    Indeed, I am the one who posted that information.
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  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 960
    BF25394 said:
    vedpunk said:
    BF25394 said:
    vedpunk said:
    WFS is a slow burner increasing in popularity over a longer period of time vs the other singles which were pushed to radio.
    This came up before, and it's not really true. "Wreckage" took eleven weeks to reach its peak at Mainstream Rock (36-25-22-15-13-10-8-6-5-3-1), twelve weeks to reach its peak at Alternative (34-22-14-13-12-10-9-8-6-6-5-3) and fifteen weeks to reach its peak at Triple-A (40-22-15-11-10-7-6-6-3-3-3-3-2-2-1). On the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart, "Wreckage" reached its peak in its ninth week and stayed there for four weeks (18-12-7-5-5-3-4-3-2-2-2-2). "Waiting for Stevie" peaked at No. 14 in its ninth week on that chart and then fell backward in its tenth week.
    New peak #13 and rising
    Indeed, I am the one who posted that information.
    Yes, we are all aware.  My point is it’s still moving up and garnering attention. 
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    edited December 2024
    Original post updated for charts for week ending December 14, 2024.

    "Waiting for Stevie" holds at No. 13 in its fourteenth week on the Mainstream Rock Airplay chart and moves up from No. 15 to No. 14 in its eleventh week on the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart, matching its prior peak of two weeks ago.

    EDIT: "Waiting for Stevie" also re-enters the Hot Hard Rock Songs chart at No. 11 thanks to sales of the RSD exclusive single. The song previously spent one week on that chart at No. 13 when Dark Matter was released. (This chart had not yet been posted this morning when I originally provided this week's update.)
    Post edited by BF25394 on
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  • T-Bone 82
    T-Bone 82 Posts: 421
    That’s now 43 consecutive weeks of new PJ songs on the charts. 

    Dark Matter single was released on 2/14/24. 300 days have elapsed since then, which equates to 43 weeks.

    That’s a hell of a run for the three singles! 

    Won’t Tell should be the 4th after the holidays. I still think it has crossover appeal.
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