Why did the band forget about Grievance and Insignificance?

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,118
    Love grievance in the set.  For some reason I never thought insignificance translated well live.  
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  • jonbond1779
    jonbond1779 London, UK Posts: 1,642
    edited February 2024
    mcgruff10 said:
    Love grievance in the set.  For some reason I never thought insignificance translated well live.  

    Denver 3rd July 2006 - I think the BEST version of Insignificance (at around 19mins). The jam at 22mins is transcendent.  Insane live.

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  • my_wave
    my_wave clearwater, FL Posts: 356
    Josh Klinghoffer and Andrew Watt haven't learned to play them yet
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    my_wave said:
    Josh Klinghoffer and Andrew Watt haven't learned to play them yet
    There is some truth to this-- not the Watt part, as far as I'm aware, but definitely the Josh part. When Josh had to fill in for Matt at the 2022 shows, there were very few songs performed from after 1998, other than Gigaton songs. Josh told me when I ran into him last summer that he knows the first five albums like the back of his hand from when he was a fan during that period, but he said he really does not know the albums from Binaural through Lightning Bolt.
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  • Leezestarr313
    Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,444
    I've seen both two times. Grievance, interestingly enough, both times in Toronto, in 2011 and 2016, and Insignificance once in Toronto (2016)  and once in Berlin (2009). Toronto always gets great sets.
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  • 100 Pacer
    100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,325
    Leezestarr313 said:
    I've seen both two times. Grievance, interestingly enough, both times in Toronto, in 2011 and 2016, and Insignificance once in Toronto (2016)  and once in Berlin (2009). Toronto always gets great sets.
    Amen.
    The version of Grievance from the 2000 Toronto show is one of my faves. 
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,127
    Play more Binaural!!!!!
  • SOLAT319
    SOLAT319 Posts: 4,609
    BF25394 said:
    SOLAT319 said:
    The cynical in me wants to scream that’s because they don’t seem to relate to the messages these songs convey anymore. Someone mentioned WWS and same thing about that song too. 
    Actions speak louder than words. 
    I don't think increasing ticket prices to $185.00 is indicative of a radical shift of worldview by the members of Pearl Jam. The lyrics of "Dark Matter" express a similar frustration to "Grievance," but the particulars have changed. We're no longer fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that informed a song like "World Wide Suicide."* We also don't hear "Army Reserve" anymore for the same reason. It's also why we'll probably never hear "Bu$hleaguer" again. Ed probably considers Bush to be a stable genius compared to Trump. Now the lyrical themes are going to be about culture-war divisions and the fragility of our democratic system.
    Yeah I don’t know why you would assume my post was about ticket prices…those who will get it, get it. Those who don’t, don’t. 
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    SOLAT319 said:
    BF25394 said:
    SOLAT319 said:
    The cynical in me wants to scream that’s because they don’t seem to relate to the messages these songs convey anymore. Someone mentioned WWS and same thing about that song too. 
    Actions speak louder than words. 
    I don't think increasing ticket prices to $185.00 is indicative of a radical shift of worldview by the members of Pearl Jam. The lyrics of "Dark Matter" express a similar frustration to "Grievance," but the particulars have changed. We're no longer fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that informed a song like "World Wide Suicide."* We also don't hear "Army Reserve" anymore for the same reason. It's also why we'll probably never hear "Bu$hleaguer" again. Ed probably considers Bush to be a stable genius compared to Trump. Now the lyrical themes are going to be about culture-war divisions and the fragility of our democratic system.
    Yeah I don’t know why you would assume my post was about ticket prices…those who will get it, get it. Those who don’t, don’t. 
    I thought the reference to actions speaking louder than words was commenting on what some people are claiming is a disconnect between what the band has said in its music and in its advocacy with a perceived greediness reflected in ticket cost and allocation. I apologize for misconstruing your post if that's not what you were getting at.
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  • HailHailVitalogy
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    edited April 4
    Bump. Two of the top 5 songs I’d like to hear this leg
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  • deb1211
    deb1211 Posts: 2,047
    I need to hear Insignificance..was so sad when it was crossed off show i was at
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,192
    deb1211 said:
    I need to hear Insignificance..was so sad when it was crossed off show i was at
    that would be traumatic....
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  • steven87
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    Gern Blansten said:
    deb1211 said:
    I need to hear Insignificance..was so sad when it was crossed off show i was at
    that would be traumatic....
    They crossed it off at Philly N2 last year. Still a great show, but that was disappointing. Luckily I got to hear it in St. Paul the year before though. 
  • Shaindli1
    Shaindli1 MA Posts: 2,378
    Yes to both, and generally to more tracks from #Binaural25 Riot Act & Avocado!
    #Grievance2025 
  • deb1211
    deb1211 Posts: 2,047
    steven87 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    deb1211 said:
    I need to hear Insignificance..was so sad when it was crossed off show i was at
    that would be traumatic....
    They crossed it off at Philly N2 last year. Still a great show, but that was disappointing. Luckily I got to hear it in St. Paul the year before though. 
    Yep that's the one I was at..Insignificance is my number 2 most desired to her live after release which continues to elude me..maybe this tour
  • BrainofBGA
    BrainofBGA Australia Posts: 4,558
    Maybe one or both these gems will get a dusting off this mini tour. 🤞 
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  • Get_Right
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    I think they just do not play those songs, and other songs from Binaural, because they do not practice them. Last time I heard light years it was not great. Tempo was off. But they should play more Binaural. It is a great record. I would rather hear Binaural songs than anything off of Ten.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,461
    SOLAT319 said:
    The cynical in me wants to scream that’s because they don’t seem to relate to the messages these songs convey anymore. Someone mentioned WWS and same thing about that song too. 
    Actions speak louder than words. 
    I doubt this. 
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    edited April 6
    Just no room for them.  Animal and Go hardly get played these days.  How is that possible?

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