We no longer rank shows in order of priority anymore? Due to confusion? Like when members ranked shows 1 or 2 and members that had it 3 or 4 got tix while higher ranking didn’t? Thoughts on this..
People still got shut out, while others had multiple requests fulfilled. I think the priorities were giving people false hope. It's a lottery, therefore a crapshoot.
What is the significance of your member number? I am new and have a very high member number. Does that matter?
It doesn't matter in terms of your chances of getting picked for the lottery. However, if you get picked for reserved seats it will determine where you are seated. You will be seated behind everyone with a lower member number than you have.
People still got shut out, while others had multiple requests fulfilled. I think the priorities were giving people false hope. It's a lottery, therefore a crapshoot.
I know there were some glitches. But don't underestimate human error and our inability to follow simple directions. I imagine the number of people who were shut out because they did something incorrectly was high.
I would think the odds of getting tix to your top shows took a hit with this switch up
I agree with you that the odds of getting tickets to your top shows probably took a big hit. Now you don’t even get to specify your top “show(s)”- it’s totally random. Since it appears that each show will now have a totally separate lottery with no priority taken into account, theoretically someone could put in for 20 shows and get all 20 (and even get GA for all 20), while someone else who only puts in for one show could get shut out entirely. I would hope that behinds the scenes 10c is doing something to try to ensure some equity in the process (e.g., limits on how many GAs or total shows one person can win), but if it is truly a totally randomized lottery for each show, it doesn’t sound like that’s the case.
People still got shut out, while others had multiple requests fulfilled. I think the priorities were giving people false hope. It's a lottery, therefore a crapshoot.
I know there were some glitches. But don't underestimate human error and our inability to follow simple directions. I imagine the number of people who were shut out because they did something incorrectly was high.
This 1000% based on all of the questions every time the lottery comes around.
1998-06-30 Mpls | 2006-07-06 Las Vegas | 2010-05-03 Kansas City | 2011-07-01 St. Louis EV | 2011-07-02 Mpls EV | 2011-09-03 PJ20 2011-09-04 PJ20 | 2011-09-17 Winnipeg | 2012-09-30 Missoula | 2012-11-18 Tulsa EV | 2013-07-19 Chicago | 2013-11-15 Dallas 2013-11-16 OKC | 2014-10-09 Lincoln | 2014-10-17 Moline | 2014-10-19 St. Paul | 2014-10-20 Milwaukee | 2016-08-20 Chicago 2016-08-22 Chicago | 2018-08-18 Chicago | 2018-08-20 Chicago | 2022-05-09 Phoenix | 2022-05-20 Las Vegas | 2022-09-18 St. Louis 2022-09-20 OKC | 2023-08-31 St. Paul | 2023-09-02 St. Paul | 2024-05-16 Las Vegas | 2024-05-18 Las Vegas | 2024-08-31 Chicago
People still got shut out, while others had multiple requests fulfilled. I think the priorities were giving people false hope. It's a lottery, therefore a crapshoot.
I know there were some glitches. But don't underestimate human error and our inability to follow simple directions. I imagine the number of people who were shut out because they did something incorrectly was high.
This 1000% based on all of the questions every time the lottery comes around.
Definitely agree. Granted, when a tour is announced there are multiple emails, PJ news posts and at least two presale options for 10c members (10c & Verified Fan), yet the same questions pop up from the past 3-4 years of touring. Seems like it could be more consolidated to a single source of truth, but most of us typically freak out and miss details regardless.
Best bets on any sale is to allow the announcement to happen, give yourself a few hours to let the links and sites fix any errors or loading issues, and consider options before jumping on and submitting something before you know what your plan is. I'm guessing more than a few people lost entries for shows after updating their request with a new one.
People still got shut out, while others had multiple requests fulfilled. I think the priorities were giving people false hope. It's a lottery, therefore a crapshoot.
I know there were some glitches. But don't underestimate human error and our inability to follow simple directions. I imagine the number of people who were shut out because they did something incorrectly was high.
Oh, I certainly do not underestimate it LOL, but I was shut out of a couple of legs with shows prioritized, all ducks in a row etc, and 30 years experience F5ing and reading all instructions inside and out.
Seems like Ticketmaster couldn't handle it so they just got rid of it. Sucks. It really shouldn't be that hard.
I find this odd, because my fan club tickets for U2 at the Sphere used the same TM system. It means TM can handle it. It was so much better.
You could choose your priority dates, then you could specifically choose the sections you were interested in getting tickets in. Then they ran the lotto. It was kind of basic, but worked amazingly well. We chose GA, level 200 and level 300 (skipped asking for level 100 because of the overhang problem). Got GA for the first priority.
Actually now that I type that out, I must not of been able to buy more than one pair to one show or I would of ended up with two pairs. Maybe that's why it works better That being said it did have priority, so it's still a thing for other bands.
I would think the odds of getting tix to your top shows took a hit with this switch up
I agree with you that the odds of getting tickets to your top shows probably took a big hit. Now you don’t even get to specify your top “show(s)”- it’s totally random. Since it appears that each show will now have a totally separate lottery with no priority taken into account, theoretically someone could put in for 20 shows and get all 20 (and even get GA for all 20), while someone else who only puts in for one show could get shut out entirely. I would hope that behinds the scenes 10c is doing something to try to ensure some equity in the process (e.g., limits on how many GAs or total shows one person can win), but if it is truly a totally randomized lottery for each show, it doesn’t sound like that’s the case.
That has always happened, maybe not to that extreme, but it always has and will continue to happen. I had always been pretty fortunate in the lottery, not always winning, but pretty successful. Then a couple legs or so in a row (maybe 2018 and 2022) I got nothing, so last leg I put in for 5 shows because I hadn't seen them since 2015 and was determined to see them somewhere, anywhere. I ended up getting all 5 shows and decided to go to Austin.
I would think the odds of getting tix to your top shows took a hit with this switch up
I agree with you that the odds of getting tickets to your top shows probably took a big hit. Now you don’t even get to specify your top “show(s)”- it’s totally random. Since it appears that each show will now have a totally separate lottery with no priority taken into account, theoretically someone could put in for 20 shows and get all 20 (and even get GA for all 20), while someone else who only puts in for one show could get shut out entirely. I would hope that behinds the scenes 10c is doing something to try to ensure some equity in the process (e.g., limits on how many GAs or total shows one person can win), but if it is truly a totally randomized lottery for each show, it doesn’t sound like that’s the case.
Maybe they just decided to make it like a lottery, and give every entry into each show the same weight. Then sort it out after the logarithm has a chance to do its thing. Pretty fair thing to do from my standpoint. Seniority once you win the lottery, but just an average joe until then. Sucks for the 30 year people, but it seems like Pearl Jam has finally gotten to the point that Fair is Fair, even if it is unfair to some people...like usual.
2006: Gorge 1
2009: Seattle 1
2013: Seattle
2016: Wrigley 1 & 2
2018: Seattle 1&2, Montana
2020: San Diego, LA 1&2, Oakland 1&2
2022: San Diego, LA 1&2, Fresno, Sacramento, Las Vegas, Denver
2024: Vancouver 1, Portland, Las Vegas 1&2, Seattle 1&2, Missoula
Maybe they just decided to make it like a lottery, and give every entry into each show the same weight. Then sort it out after the logarithm has a chance to do its thing. Pretty fair thing to do from my standpoint. Seniority once you win the lottery, but just an average joe until then. Sucks for the 30 year people, but it seems like Pearl Jam has finally gotten to the point that Fair is Fair, even if it is unfair to some people...like usual.
I think your misunderstanding. This was never the seniority bit. For the last # of tours, you would pick the shows you want to go in order of preference. That way people had higher odds of getting their first picks, but would only (theoretically) get 2nd picks if there were enough tickets to provide them.
The goal was to ensure everyone (regardless of seniority) had a higher chance of at least getting tickets to at least one show. It wasn't perfect, there were glitches, nuances, but overall it mostly did what it was supposed to do.
Without priority I think it's less fair. Your going to increase the # of people that gets lots of tickets, and the people that get zero.
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2000: Pitt
2003: Pitt, State College, Columbus,DC, Hershey
2004: Reading, Toledo, DC
2005: Pitt
2006: Cleve, Camden 1+2, DC, Pitt, Cinci
2008: Camden 1+2, DC
2009: Philly 3
2010: Columbus
2012: Philly
2013: Pitt, NYC 1+2
2011-09-04 PJ20 | 2011-09-17 Winnipeg | 2012-09-30 Missoula | 2012-11-18 Tulsa EV | 2013-07-19 Chicago | 2013-11-15 Dallas
2013-11-16 OKC | 2014-10-09 Lincoln | 2014-10-17 Moline | 2014-10-19 St. Paul | 2014-10-20 Milwaukee | 2016-08-20 Chicago
2016-08-22 Chicago | 2018-08-18 Chicago | 2018-08-20 Chicago | 2022-05-09 Phoenix | 2022-05-20 Las Vegas | 2022-09-18 St. Louis
2022-09-20 OKC | 2023-08-31 St. Paul | 2023-09-02 St. Paul | 2024-05-16 Las Vegas | 2024-05-18 Las Vegas | 2024-08-31 Chicago
Best bets on any sale is to allow the announcement to happen, give yourself a few hours to let the links and sites fix any errors or loading issues, and consider options before jumping on and submitting something before you know what your plan is. I'm guessing more than a few people lost entries for shows after updating their request with a new one.
You could choose your priority dates, then you could specifically choose the sections you were interested in getting tickets in. Then they ran the lotto. It was kind of basic, but worked amazingly well. We chose GA, level 200 and level 300 (skipped asking for level 100 because of the overhang problem). Got GA for the first priority.
Actually now that I type that out, I must not of been able to buy more than one pair to one show or I would of ended up with two pairs. Maybe that's why it works better