Middle East ......

HughFreakingDillon

how does one negotiate with someone who has BEEN negotiated with and gone back on the terms of those negotiations? this did not start on oct 7

benjs

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Conclusions at Odds with the Evidence

Beyond methodological shortcuts, several IPC Gaza outputs reached conclusions that were directly inconsistent with the evidence presented.

Mortality data ignored or downplayed. Throughout the war, the IPC analysis ignored the fact that official figures for malnutrition-related deaths were orders of magnitude below the thresholds it prescribes for crude death rates (CDR) and under-five mortality. At no point did the mortality evidence come close to justifying a famine declaration, or even a Phase 4 classification. When a systematic mortality survey — required under IPC methodology — was finally conducted, its results conflicted with the phase classifications being advanced. Instead of prompting correction, the inconsistency was downplayed: only the aggregate death rates were released, while the more decisive non-violent mortality figures, central to famine determination, were withheld and requests to release the full survey data were ignored, in direct violation of the transparency principle. However, even the published total death rates remained well below famine thresholds - a fact that was brushed aside in the final conclusions.

Malnutrition rates not consistent with phase designation. Similarly, the MUAC prevalence rates themselves rarely supported the severity of the classifications. For much of the period, they were below the 15 percent Phase 4 threshold, and in most cases well within Phase 3 or even Phase 2 territory. Yet the reports continued to project worsening conditions and “imminent famine”.

The June 2024 Famine Review Committee report. The clearest example of conclusions contradicting evidence came in the June 2024 FRC review. That report presented a number of food consumption indicators that pointed to a relatively small share of the population in Phase 4 and Phase 5. However, the percentages cited in the final report were several times higher than what the actual hard data suggested. This demonstrated not only weak methodology, but also a willingness to override the data to sustain a narrative of crisis.

Lack of Transparency

Although the IPC formally upholds transparency as one of its guiding principles, the Gaza analyses often fell short of this standard. Repeatedly, the reports relied on datasets that were not publicly available, preventing independent verification. At the same time, requests to access the underlying data - or even to obtain clarification on the reasoning process that produced the final classifications - were routinely ignored. The result was a process that not only lacked transparency in practice, but also undermined confidence in the credibility and robustness of the conclusions.

Conclusion: A Systemic Bias and Credibility Problem

The Gaza IPC reports reveal more than isolated technical errors. They expose a systematic lowering of standards: neutrality safeguards abandoned, critical stakeholders excluded, data selectively used, projections skewed toward worst cases, famine thresholds bent until they no longer matched the IPC manual, and transparency sidelined as key datasets and analytical reasoning remained inaccessible to outside scrutiny.

Analyses that should have reflected transparent, evidence-based consensus were instead produced by a narrow circle of actors, relying on non-public data, without the inclusive multi-stakeholder validation that IPC requires, and in disregard of the system’s own rules. Given the enormous political and legal weight attached to IPC outputs, this pattern is not just a technical flaw — it is a credibility crisis for the IPC system as a whole.

Lol. Your sad takes and signal boosting disgusting israeli propaganda. What is wrong with you

An independent UN commission has concluded that Israel has committed and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

A new report from the International Commission of Inquiry, set up by the UN's Human Rights Council to investigate alleged violations of international humanitarian and human rights law, found Israeli authorities and security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0916/1533696-un-commission-gaza/

Is that commission democratically appointed?



what controls are in place to ensure this commission is balanced and free from bias?



did the nazis allow the Polish Jews in 1939 to escape the violence by the thousands, as is happening now in Gaza, per mainstream media?

I wouldn't call being 'democratically appointed' a good benchmark, first off. Netanyahu was democratically appointed, after all. Trump was, after all. You can be democratically appointed and still egregiously one-sided (in fact, if you're appointed to the Israeli nation, and you consider the Palestinians to be another, it's all the more likely for you to be one-sided). I understand you're referring to commissions, not politicians, but I feel the analogy is fair. 

Next, I think the world is tired of Israeli government not allowing independent media into Gaza, and then criticizing the UN's reports as false. If they won't allow a commission that all can agree is unbiased (or at least contains a diverse set of members), how is the world to research what's going on and report honestly? In the absence of that 'noble' commission, the world will take the word of the UN, and it's well within Israel's abilities to change that. So why don't they?

I was interested in examining whether the UNs commissions are held to any standards, how their commissions are appointed, how their bias or lack of is measured, and what controls the UN has in place to make certain their reports are accurate and free from bias.

regarding Netanyahu, he was 50/50 next election at best, and the invasion/subsequent war has only strengthened his hold on their country. I am tired of this war as well, but believe both sides need to negotiate a peace. I’d support a two state solution, however not sure how significant problems and complexities are solved. And how Palestine can be policing because they’ve never had a functioning leadership.

i do believe, that constant blame and accusations does nothing to solve these problems. It only makes people think they are doing something about it while creating more hate. Getting the USA to stop funding Israel is not the magic solution the left believes, because that only pushes them towards a bad actor, perhaps Russia.

I agree with you on everything you’ve written here. I’m also curious about how the UN assure some sense of balance, and if you find out, I’d be curious to know.

Halifax2TheMax

Pretty damning if you care to read it.

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session60/advance-version/a-hrc-60-crp-3.pdf

HughFreakingDillon

Or how about if they keep funding, but it comes with certsin conditions

gimmesometruth27

isn't bibi on trial right now?

mickeyrat

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Conclusions at Odds with the Evidence

Beyond methodological shortcuts, several IPC Gaza outputs reached conclusions that were directly inconsistent with the evidence presented.

Mortality data ignored or downplayed. Throughout the war, the IPC analysis ignored the fact that official figures for malnutrition-related deaths were orders of magnitude below the thresholds it prescribes for crude death rates (CDR) and under-five mortality. At no point did the mortality evidence come close to justifying a famine declaration, or even a Phase 4 classification. When a systematic mortality survey — required under IPC methodology — was finally conducted, its results conflicted with the phase classifications being advanced. Instead of prompting correction, the inconsistency was downplayed: only the aggregate death rates were released, while the more decisive non-violent mortality figures, central to famine determination, were withheld and requests to release the full survey data were ignored, in direct violation of the transparency principle. However, even the published total death rates remained well below famine thresholds - a fact that was brushed aside in the final conclusions.

Malnutrition rates not consistent with phase designation. Similarly, the MUAC prevalence rates themselves rarely supported the severity of the classifications. For much of the period, they were below the 15 percent Phase 4 threshold, and in most cases well within Phase 3 or even Phase 2 territory. Yet the reports continued to project worsening conditions and “imminent famine”.

The June 2024 Famine Review Committee report. The clearest example of conclusions contradicting evidence came in the June 2024 FRC review. That report presented a number of food consumption indicators that pointed to a relatively small share of the population in Phase 4 and Phase 5. However, the percentages cited in the final report were several times higher than what the actual hard data suggested. This demonstrated not only weak methodology, but also a willingness to override the data to sustain a narrative of crisis.

Lack of Transparency

Although the IPC formally upholds transparency as one of its guiding principles, the Gaza analyses often fell short of this standard. Repeatedly, the reports relied on datasets that were not publicly available, preventing independent verification. At the same time, requests to access the underlying data - or even to obtain clarification on the reasoning process that produced the final classifications - were routinely ignored. The result was a process that not only lacked transparency in practice, but also undermined confidence in the credibility and robustness of the conclusions.

Conclusion: A Systemic Bias and Credibility Problem

The Gaza IPC reports reveal more than isolated technical errors. They expose a systematic lowering of standards: neutrality safeguards abandoned, critical stakeholders excluded, data selectively used, projections skewed toward worst cases, famine thresholds bent until they no longer matched the IPC manual, and transparency sidelined as key datasets and analytical reasoning remained inaccessible to outside scrutiny.

Analyses that should have reflected transparent, evidence-based consensus were instead produced by a narrow circle of actors, relying on non-public data, without the inclusive multi-stakeholder validation that IPC requires, and in disregard of the system’s own rules. Given the enormous political and legal weight attached to IPC outputs, this pattern is not just a technical flaw — it is a credibility crisis for the IPC system as a whole.

Lol. Your sad takes and signal boosting disgusting israeli propaganda. What is wrong with you

An independent UN commission has concluded that Israel has committed and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

A new report from the International Commission of Inquiry, set up by the UN's Human Rights Council to investigate alleged violations of international humanitarian and human rights law, found Israeli authorities and security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0916/1533696-un-commission-gaza/

Is that commission democratically appointed?



what controls are in place to ensure this commission is balanced and free from bias?



did the nazis allow the Polish Jews in 1939 to escape the violence by the thousands, as is happening now in Gaza, per mainstream media?

I wouldn't call being 'democratically appointed' a good benchmark, first off. Netanyahu was democratically appointed, after all. Trump was, after all. You can be democratically appointed and still egregiously one-sided (in fact, if you're appointed to the Israeli nation, and you consider the Palestinians to be another, it's all the more likely for you to be one-sided). I understand you're referring to commissions, not politicians, but I feel the analogy is fair. 

Next, I think the world is tired of Israeli government not allowing independent media into Gaza, and then criticizing the UN's reports as false. If they won't allow a commission that all can agree is unbiased (or at least contains a diverse set of members), how is the world to research what's going on and report honestly? In the absence of that 'noble' commission, the world will take the word of the UN, and it's well within Israel's abilities to change that. So why don't they?

Because they’re committing genocide.

You keep saying that but never answer any specific questions about it.


did the nazis allow polish jews in 1939 to escape the front lines by the thousands?

because erhinic cleansing aint bad at all?

josevolution

So is the goal of Israel to wipe out all Palestinians or just have them moved somewhere else in that region? 

Lerxst1992

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Conclusions at Odds with the Evidence

Beyond methodological shortcuts, several IPC Gaza outputs reached conclusions that were directly inconsistent with the evidence presented.

Mortality data ignored or downplayed. Throughout the war, the IPC analysis ignored the fact that official figures for malnutrition-related deaths were orders of magnitude below the thresholds it prescribes for crude death rates (CDR) and under-five mortality. At no point did the mortality evidence come close to justifying a famine declaration, or even a Phase 4 classification. When a systematic mortality survey — required under IPC methodology — was finally conducted, its results conflicted with the phase classifications being advanced. Instead of prompting correction, the inconsistency was downplayed: only the aggregate death rates were released, while the more decisive non-violent mortality figures, central to famine determination, were withheld and requests to release the full survey data were ignored, in direct violation of the transparency principle. However, even the published total death rates remained well below famine thresholds - a fact that was brushed aside in the final conclusions.

Malnutrition rates not consistent with phase designation. Similarly, the MUAC prevalence rates themselves rarely supported the severity of the classifications. For much of the period, they were below the 15 percent Phase 4 threshold, and in most cases well within Phase 3 or even Phase 2 territory. Yet the reports continued to project worsening conditions and “imminent famine”.

The June 2024 Famine Review Committee report. The clearest example of conclusions contradicting evidence came in the June 2024 FRC review. That report presented a number of food consumption indicators that pointed to a relatively small share of the population in Phase 4 and Phase 5. However, the percentages cited in the final report were several times higher than what the actual hard data suggested. This demonstrated not only weak methodology, but also a willingness to override the data to sustain a narrative of crisis.

Lack of Transparency

Although the IPC formally upholds transparency as one of its guiding principles, the Gaza analyses often fell short of this standard. Repeatedly, the reports relied on datasets that were not publicly available, preventing independent verification. At the same time, requests to access the underlying data - or even to obtain clarification on the reasoning process that produced the final classifications - were routinely ignored. The result was a process that not only lacked transparency in practice, but also undermined confidence in the credibility and robustness of the conclusions.

Conclusion: A Systemic Bias and Credibility Problem

The Gaza IPC reports reveal more than isolated technical errors. They expose a systematic lowering of standards: neutrality safeguards abandoned, critical stakeholders excluded, data selectively used, projections skewed toward worst cases, famine thresholds bent until they no longer matched the IPC manual, and transparency sidelined as key datasets and analytical reasoning remained inaccessible to outside scrutiny.

Analyses that should have reflected transparent, evidence-based consensus were instead produced by a narrow circle of actors, relying on non-public data, without the inclusive multi-stakeholder validation that IPC requires, and in disregard of the system’s own rules. Given the enormous political and legal weight attached to IPC outputs, this pattern is not just a technical flaw — it is a credibility crisis for the IPC system as a whole.

Lol. Your sad takes and signal boosting disgusting israeli propaganda. What is wrong with you

An independent UN commission has concluded that Israel has committed and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

A new report from the International Commission of Inquiry, set up by the UN's Human Rights Council to investigate alleged violations of international humanitarian and human rights law, found Israeli authorities and security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0916/1533696-un-commission-gaza/

Is that commission democratically appointed?



what controls are in place to ensure this commission is balanced and free from bias?



did the nazis allow the Polish Jews in 1939 to escape the violence by the thousands, as is happening now in Gaza, per mainstream media?

I wouldn't call being 'democratically appointed' a good benchmark, first off. Netanyahu was democratically appointed, after all. Trump was, after all. You can be democratically appointed and still egregiously one-sided (in fact, if you're appointed to the Israeli nation, and you consider the Palestinians to be another, it's all the more likely for you to be one-sided). I understand you're referring to commissions, not politicians, but I feel the analogy is fair. 

Next, I think the world is tired of Israeli government not allowing independent media into Gaza, and then criticizing the UN's reports as false. If they won't allow a commission that all can agree is unbiased (or at least contains a diverse set of members), how is the world to research what's going on and report honestly? In the absence of that 'noble' commission, the world will take the word of the UN, and it's well within Israel's abilities to change that. So why don't they?

Because they’re committing genocide.

You keep saying that but never answer any specific questions about it.


did the nazis allow polish jews in 1939 to escape the front lines by the thousands?

because erhinic cleansing aint bad at all?

H taking the day off today.


 As reported by most media outlets-

” Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were photographed fleeing southward, clogging roadways. ”


sounds just like 1939 Poland.

HughFreakingDillon

So I suppose you think all genocides need follow the exact same course to be considered a genocide? 

Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Conclusions at Odds with the Evidence

Beyond methodological shortcuts, several IPC Gaza outputs reached conclusions that were directly inconsistent with the evidence presented.

Mortality data ignored or downplayed. Throughout the war, the IPC analysis ignored the fact that official figures for malnutrition-related deaths were orders of magnitude below the thresholds it prescribes for crude death rates (CDR) and under-five mortality. At no point did the mortality evidence come close to justifying a famine declaration, or even a Phase 4 classification. When a systematic mortality survey — required under IPC methodology — was finally conducted, its results conflicted with the phase classifications being advanced. Instead of prompting correction, the inconsistency was downplayed: only the aggregate death rates were released, while the more decisive non-violent mortality figures, central to famine determination, were withheld and requests to release the full survey data were ignored, in direct violation of the transparency principle. However, even the published total death rates remained well below famine thresholds - a fact that was brushed aside in the final conclusions.

Malnutrition rates not consistent with phase designation. Similarly, the MUAC prevalence rates themselves rarely supported the severity of the classifications. For much of the period, they were below the 15 percent Phase 4 threshold, and in most cases well within Phase 3 or even Phase 2 territory. Yet the reports continued to project worsening conditions and “imminent famine”.

The June 2024 Famine Review Committee report. The clearest example of conclusions contradicting evidence came in the June 2024 FRC review. That report presented a number of food consumption indicators that pointed to a relatively small share of the population in Phase 4 and Phase 5. However, the percentages cited in the final report were several times higher than what the actual hard data suggested. This demonstrated not only weak methodology, but also a willingness to override the data to sustain a narrative of crisis.

Lack of Transparency

Although the IPC formally upholds transparency as one of its guiding principles, the Gaza analyses often fell short of this standard. Repeatedly, the reports relied on datasets that were not publicly available, preventing independent verification. At the same time, requests to access the underlying data - or even to obtain clarification on the reasoning process that produced the final classifications - were routinely ignored. The result was a process that not only lacked transparency in practice, but also undermined confidence in the credibility and robustness of the conclusions.

Conclusion: A Systemic Bias and Credibility Problem

The Gaza IPC reports reveal more than isolated technical errors. They expose a systematic lowering of standards: neutrality safeguards abandoned, critical stakeholders excluded, data selectively used, projections skewed toward worst cases, famine thresholds bent until they no longer matched the IPC manual, and transparency sidelined as key datasets and analytical reasoning remained inaccessible to outside scrutiny.

Analyses that should have reflected transparent, evidence-based consensus were instead produced by a narrow circle of actors, relying on non-public data, without the inclusive multi-stakeholder validation that IPC requires, and in disregard of the system’s own rules. Given the enormous political and legal weight attached to IPC outputs, this pattern is not just a technical flaw — it is a credibility crisis for the IPC system as a whole.

Lol. Your sad takes and signal boosting disgusting israeli propaganda. What is wrong with you

An independent UN commission has concluded that Israel has committed and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

A new report from the International Commission of Inquiry, set up by the UN's Human Rights Council to investigate alleged violations of international humanitarian and human rights law, found Israeli authorities and security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0916/1533696-un-commission-gaza/

Is that commission democratically appointed?



what controls are in place to ensure this commission is balanced and free from bias?



did the nazis allow the Polish Jews in 1939 to escape the violence by the thousands, as is happening now in Gaza, per mainstream media?

I wouldn't call being 'democratically appointed' a good benchmark, first off. Netanyahu was democratically appointed, after all. Trump was, after all. You can be democratically appointed and still egregiously one-sided (in fact, if you're appointed to the Israeli nation, and you consider the Palestinians to be another, it's all the more likely for you to be one-sided). I understand you're referring to commissions, not politicians, but I feel the analogy is fair. 

Next, I think the world is tired of Israeli government not allowing independent media into Gaza, and then criticizing the UN's reports as false. If they won't allow a commission that all can agree is unbiased (or at least contains a diverse set of members), how is the world to research what's going on and report honestly? In the absence of that 'noble' commission, the world will take the word of the UN, and it's well within Israel's abilities to change that. So why don't they?

Because they’re committing genocide.

You keep saying that but never answer any specific questions about it.


did the nazis allow polish jews in 1939 to escape the front lines by the thousands?

because erhinic cleansing aint bad at all?

H taking the day off today.


 As reported by most media outlets-

” Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were photographed fleeing southward, clogging roadways. ”


sounds just like 1939 Poland.

Is this a shadow quote?

Halifax2TheMax

You know, there’s a UN report that details the ongoing genocide that Israel is committing against Palestinians right now. Please read it and feel free to express your opposition to any allegations contained therein. It lays it out with explanations, documentation and lots of footnotes. If you’re so sure of your position that it’s not a genocide, by all means cite specifics of the report and state your case.

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session60/advance-version/a-hrc-60-crp-3.pdf

mickeyrat

Lerxst1992 said:

mickeyrat said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Conclusions at Odds with the Evidence

Beyond methodological shortcuts, several IPC Gaza outputs reached conclusions that were directly inconsistent with the evidence presented.

Mortality data ignored or downplayed. Throughout the war, the IPC analysis ignored the fact that official figures for malnutrition-related deaths were orders of magnitude below the thresholds it prescribes for crude death rates (CDR) and under-five mortality. At no point did the mortality evidence come close to justifying a famine declaration, or even a Phase 4 classification. When a systematic mortality survey — required under IPC methodology — was finally conducted, its results conflicted with the phase classifications being advanced. Instead of prompting correction, the inconsistency was downplayed: only the aggregate death rates were released, while the more decisive non-violent mortality figures, central to famine determination, were withheld and requests to release the full survey data were ignored, in direct violation of the transparency principle. However, even the published total death rates remained well below famine thresholds - a fact that was brushed aside in the final conclusions.

Malnutrition rates not consistent with phase designation. Similarly, the MUAC prevalence rates themselves rarely supported the severity of the classifications. For much of the period, they were below the 15 percent Phase 4 threshold, and in most cases well within Phase 3 or even Phase 2 territory. Yet the reports continued to project worsening conditions and “imminent famine”.

The June 2024 Famine Review Committee report. The clearest example of conclusions contradicting evidence came in the June 2024 FRC review. That report presented a number of food consumption indicators that pointed to a relatively small share of the population in Phase 4 and Phase 5. However, the percentages cited in the final report were several times higher than what the actual hard data suggested. This demonstrated not only weak methodology, but also a willingness to override the data to sustain a narrative of crisis.

Lack of Transparency

Although the IPC formally upholds transparency as one of its guiding principles, the Gaza analyses often fell short of this standard. Repeatedly, the reports relied on datasets that were not publicly available, preventing independent verification. At the same time, requests to access the underlying data - or even to obtain clarification on the reasoning process that produced the final classifications - were routinely ignored. The result was a process that not only lacked transparency in practice, but also undermined confidence in the credibility and robustness of the conclusions.

Conclusion: A Systemic Bias and Credibility Problem

The Gaza IPC reports reveal more than isolated technical errors. They expose a systematic lowering of standards: neutrality safeguards abandoned, critical stakeholders excluded, data selectively used, projections skewed toward worst cases, famine thresholds bent until they no longer matched the IPC manual, and transparency sidelined as key datasets and analytical reasoning remained inaccessible to outside scrutiny.

Analyses that should have reflected transparent, evidence-based consensus were instead produced by a narrow circle of actors, relying on non-public data, without the inclusive multi-stakeholder validation that IPC requires, and in disregard of the system’s own rules. Given the enormous political and legal weight attached to IPC outputs, this pattern is not just a technical flaw — it is a credibility crisis for the IPC system as a whole.

Lol. Your sad takes and signal boosting disgusting israeli propaganda. What is wrong with you

An independent UN commission has concluded that Israel has committed and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

A new report from the International Commission of Inquiry, set up by the UN's Human Rights Council to investigate alleged violations of international humanitarian and human rights law, found Israeli authorities and security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts as defined by the 1948 Genocide Convention.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0916/1533696-un-commission-gaza/

Is that commission democratically appointed?



what controls are in place to ensure this commission is balanced and free from bias?



did the nazis allow the Polish Jews in 1939 to escape the violence by the thousands, as is happening now in Gaza, per mainstream media?

I wouldn't call being 'democratically appointed' a good benchmark, first off. Netanyahu was democratically appointed, after all. Trump was, after all. You can be democratically appointed and still egregiously one-sided (in fact, if you're appointed to the Israeli nation, and you consider the Palestinians to be another, it's all the more likely for you to be one-sided). I understand you're referring to commissions, not politicians, but I feel the analogy is fair. 

Next, I think the world is tired of Israeli government not allowing independent media into Gaza, and then criticizing the UN's reports as false. If they won't allow a commission that all can agree is unbiased (or at least contains a diverse set of members), how is the world to research what's going on and report honestly? In the absence of that 'noble' commission, the world will take the word of the UN, and it's well within Israel's abilities to change that. So why don't they?

Because they’re committing genocide.

You keep saying that but never answer any specific questions about it.


did the nazis allow polish jews in 1939 to escape the front lines by the thousands?

because erhinic cleansing aint bad at all?

H taking the day off today.


 As reported by most media outlets-

” Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were photographed fleeing southward, clogging roadways. ”


sounds just like 1939 Poland.

oh right, to another designated "safe zone" to be bombed or shot later.

Halifax2TheMax

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

I guess Bernie didn’t get the memo about the purity test? I know he’s a socialist and independent that caucuses with the Dems but he just got himself designated as persona non-grata. Chucky Baby will never speak to him again and AOC better watch out!

‘Israel is committing genocide in Gaza’: Bernie Sanders

Key progressive lawmaker becomes the first US senator to describe Israel’s assault on Gaza as a genocide.

Washington, DC – Prominent United States Senator Bernie Sanders has described Israel’s assault on Gaza as a genocide, renewing his call for ending Washington’s “complicity in the slaughter of the Palestinian people”.

Sanders’s statement on Wednesday came a day after a United Nations Commission of Inquiry released an extensive report that concluded that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

The US senator cited the statements of Israeli officials calling for the destruction and erasure of Gaza, as well as the growing death toll and famine in the territory.

“The intent is clear. The conclusion is inescapable: Israel is committing genocide in Gaza,” Sanders said.

The former presidential candidate, who remains a leading figure in the progressive movement, is the first US senator to call the Israeli offensive a genocide. Several members of the House of Representatives have previously done so.

The UN defines genocide as “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.

The charge implies not just that Israel is violating the laws of war, but that it is trying to wipe Palestinians out of existence – one of the gravest offences under international law.

Becca Balint says Israel is committing genocide

On Wednesday, Representative Becca Balint, who – like Sanders – is Jewish and represents the northeastern state of Vermont, also accused Israel of carrying out a genocide in Gaza.

“As I write this, babies and young children are starving while the extremist Israeli government continues to withhold aid and commit acts of violence against civilians,” Balint said in an op-ed.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/9/17/israel-is-committing-genocide-in-gaza-bernie-sanders

Halifax2TheMax

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

I guess she didn’t get the memo either? But she’s still in the party. Hakeem hasn’t stripped her of her committee assignments. Yet.

My grandfather was murdered on a death march from Mauthausen concentration camp in the last few weeks of World War II. Like many American Jews, I hold an emotional connection to Israel because it was a refuge after the genocide against the Jews across Europe. Many of us now grapple with the pain of witnessing the suffering of Gazans and the pain of waiting for the Israeli hostages to be released. 

Today, I believe the Israeli government is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people. As the granddaughter of a man murdered in the Holocaust, it is not easy for me to say that. But the trauma of the Holocaust serves as a reminder of the power of speaking out. I feel compelled to speak out because I know there are so many others like me who are horrified by what they see.

As I write this, babies and young children are starving while the extremist Israeli government continues to withhold aid and commit acts of violence against civilians. The suffering goes beyond the tragic loss of life inherent to war; at this point, the Netanyahu government’s actions appear to be a systematic, intentional destruction of the Palestinian people. It’s difficult not to come to this conclusion when some top Israeli officials all but say it themselves, 

callingPalestinians “human animals” and pledging to turn Gaza into “hell.” 

Leading international genocide scholars have reached the same conclusion, determining that Israel’s actions in Gaza now meet the criteria for genocide, which they define as being “committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” That is what we are seeing in Gaza right now. 

And many Americans believe the same. According to a recent Quinnipiac poll, American disapproval of the Israeli military action in Gaza has now reached 60%. And half of the voters surveyed, including 77% of Democrats, believe the Israeli government is committing genocide. 

Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed, and almost 90% of Gaza’s population has been displaced, wiping out entiregenerations of families. Israeli Defense Force reports show that five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces have been civilians. The World Health Organization reports that 94% of hospitals in Gaza are damaged or destroyed.  The Israeli government continues to restrict humanitarian aid, including food and medical supplies, while escalating military operations. It’s reportedthat more than half of Gaza’s population is undergoing a famine. 

America has a moral responsibility to own our complicity in this genocide and to use our power to stop it. While international bodies like the International Court of Justice often take years, sometimes decades, to reach a final verdict, long after genocides have ended, the scale and immediacy of this crisis demand urgent action. The United States has, as recently as in Sudan earlier this year, independently recognized genocides to galvanize international response. And this moment demands the same. Such recognition can be critical in steering American foreign policy. Those of us in government can and must save lives by using our platform to stop horrific suffering and end the endless shipment of arms to Israel. 

Being clear about what’s happening in Gaza does not minimize the horrors of the Holocaust or the violence committed by Hamas on October 7, 2023. I will always condemn both the rise of antisemitism and Islamophobia in our country. And I grieve for all the Israelis who suffered horrific brutality at the hands of Hamas and for those who lost family and friends on and after Oct. 7, the most severe attack on Jews since the Holocaust. I weep for the Palestinian babies and children dying from starvation and lack of medical care. 

I do not write this to create a litmus test for others, and I don’t think it’s useful to fixate on getting other leaders to use the specific word “genocide.” Many Americans do see the profound suffering that Israel is causing but are hesitant to use the label because many Jews still live with the trauma of the Holocaust. More important than the word itself is that we change the conversation and change our policy. That’s what Americans want. They are demanding that we speak out against the atrocities being committed with our taxpayer money. We need to listen.

I want both a safe and secure Israel and a safe, secure independent Palestinian state. The policies of the Israeli government right now are not going to keep Israelis safe, but instead are further isolating Israel on the world stage. 

The dire situation in Gaza demands clarity and courage from us right now. The United States must find its way back to its founding principles of life and liberty by honestly acknowledging the realities in Gaza and working to change them. 

Speaking truth and demanding action is the first step on the path forward. 

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Elected to Congress in 2022, Rep. Becca Balint is the first woman and openly LGBTQI+ person to represent Vermont. She was previously a teacher and served as President of the Vermont State Senate. She now leads the Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee as the Vice Ranking Member. She was the first Jewish Member of Congress to call for a ceasefire in November 2023. 

HughFreakingDillon

 Nick Fuentes implying Israel killed Kirk for refusing to play ball

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1GJvK5PeBz/?mibextid=wwXIfr

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

 Nick Fuentes implying Israel killed Kirk for refusing to play ball

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1GJvK5PeBz/?mibextid=wwXIfr

or alternatively, fuentes killed kirk with the shooter as the conduit.

mickeyrat

Since the war in Gaza began, sparked by the Hamas-led attacks of October 7th, 2023, Israeli officials have experienced growing international isolation. In a sharp blow to Israel’s diplomatic efforts, many countries—including its longtime allies, such as Britain, France, and Canada—have declared that they will recognize a Palestinian state at the United Nations General Assembly next week. Some of these countries have restricted the sale of arms to Israel; a number of others have banned selling weapons to the country entirely. This sense of ostracism has also been felt more widely across Israeli society, including among the large numbers of Israelis who oppose the war.

In a speech on Monday, Benjamin Netanyahu warned that Israel “will increasingly need to adapt to an economy with autarkic characteristics”—a technical term referring to a closed-off and self-reliant economy. In a scenario of “Athens and Sparta,” he said, Israel will “have to become Athens and super-Sparta. There’s no choice. In the coming years, at least, we will have to deal with these attempts to isolate us.”

Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli diplomat, said, “You would think that a guy who boasts about his understanding of the patterns of history would know what the fuck he’s talking about.” During the past century, Pinkas said, four countries have behaved like an autarkic Sparta: Nazi Germany, apartheid-era South Africa, Albania under its Communist regime, and, most recently, North Korea. “This is the club you want to join?” Pinkas asked. Read about what it means for Israel that its Prime Minister has invoked an image of the country as a militarized city-state: https://newyorkermag.visitlink.me/_fJFp4

Halifax2TheMax

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Meanwhile, the genocide continues. Well, at least they didn’t gas them or use ovens. Oh, and who broke the cease fire back in March? Oh, right.

Civilians made up 15 of every 16 people killed by Israel in Gaza since March, data suggests

Report from independent conflict tracker Acled indicates one of the highest civilian death rates since start of war

About 15 of every 16 Palestinians the Israeli military has killed since its renewed offensive in Gaza began in March have been civilians, data collected by the independent violence-tracking organisation Acled indicates.

The civilian death rate implied 

by a report from Acled, which stands for Armed Conflict Location and Event Data, is one of the highest recorded during the conflict, and will increase international pressure on Israel as its forces advance into Gaza City, forcing up to a million people to evacuate and threatening further large-scale civilian casualties.

Researchers from Acled, which is backed by western governments and the UN, tracked reports of losses sustained by Hamas and allied armed groups in Gaza from the Israeli military, reliable local and international media, statements from Hamas and other sources over a six-month period.

“Since 18 March, Israel claims it killed more than 2,100 operatives, though Acled data indicates that the number is closer to 1,100, and includes Hamas’ political figures, as well as fighters from other groups,” the report said.

More than 16,000 Palestinians have been killed since Israel broke a two-month ceasefire in March with a huge wave of airstrikes across the devastated territory, according to statistics published by the UN.

Military officials briefed the 2,100 figure to Israeli media in mid-August and internal Israeli estimates may have risen since. Acled’s researchers may also not have captured all combatant deaths over the six-month period, but their total does include Hamas political figures.

The Guardian revealed last month that internal data from the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) indicated a civilian death toll of 83% between the outbreak of war in October 2023 and May of this year.

The Acled report also found that incidents involving the demolition of buildings in Gaza had increased significantly since the renewal of hostilities in March, with 698 in the 15 months before, and 500 in the six months since. Many incidents involved more than one building, researchers said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/19/civilians-made-up-15-of-every-16-people-israel-killed-in-gaza-since-march-data-suggests

mickeyrat

well.....

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Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

well.....

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  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747

Hamas supporter.