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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    what part of this isnt criminal? can our resident State of Israel spox tell us?

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-13-2023-c98faefe9d5bb213d3e44cf9defd5990   Battles force Palestinians out of hospitals in Gaza, leaving patients, babies and medics stranded

     
    Battles force Palestinians out of hospitals in Gaza, leaving patients, babies and medics stranded
    By WAFAA SHURAFA and SAMY MAGDY
    21 mins ago

    DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Battles around hospitals forced thousands of Palestinians to flee from some of the last shelters in northern Gaza, stranding critically wounded patients, including newborns, and their caregivers with dwindling supplies and no electricity, health officials said Monday.

    The Israeli military has urged Palestinians to flee south on foot through what it calls safe corridors. But its purported drive to separate civilians from Hamas militants has come at a heavy cost, with more than two-thirds of the territory’s population of 2.3 million having already fled their homes.

    Thousands fled Gaza's Shifa Hospital over the weekend as Israeli troops encircled it, but hundreds of patients and displaced people remained, according to officials. Shifa “is not functioning as a hospital anymore,” World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. A second Gaza City hospital faces evacuations after running out of fuel.

    Both sides have seized on the plight of hospitals, particularly Shifa’s, as a symbol of the larger war, now in its sixth week. The fighting was triggered by Hamas’ Oct. 7 surprise attack into Israel, and Israel’s response has brought unseen levels of death and destruction to Gaza.

    For Palestinians, Shifa evokes the suffering of civilians. For weeks, staff running low on supplies have performed surgery there on war-wounded patients, including children, without anesthesia. Up until days ago, tens of thousands of people driven from their homes by airstrikes lived in and around the complex, hoping it would be safe.

    Israel says Hamas shields itself among civilians, and that the hospital, Gaza’s largest, is a prime example. It says the militants have a command center in and beneath the medical compound. Israel has released maps and diagrams showing what it says are bunkers and other Hamas installations in and around Shifa, but has not provided any evidence.

    Israeli officials recently released photos and footage showing what they described as the opening of a tunnel next to another hospital, as well as gunmen firing from inside the building. They also have shared footage of militants operating in residential neighborhoods and positioning rockets and weapons near schools, hospitals and mosques.

    Both Hamas and Shifa hospital staff deny the Israeli allegations.

    After power went out for Shifa's incubators, the Health Ministry in Hamas-ruled Gaza released a photo it says shows about a dozen premature babies wrapped in blankets together on a bed to keep them at a proper temperature. Otherwise, “they immediately die,” said ministry spokesman Medhat Abbas, who added that four of the babies had been delivered by cesarean section after their mothers died.

    The Palestinians accuse Israel of firing recklessly toward hospitals, while Israel accuses Hamas of using the hospitals for cover. On Monday, Israel released a video showing what it said was a militant carrying an RPG launcher in front of Al-Quds hospital, the facility that ran out of fuel and was forced to shut down Sunday. An Israeli tank was stationed nearby.

    Preparations are being made to evacuate some 6,000 patients, medics and displaced people from Al-Quds, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent, which operates the facility.

    After the exodus of people from Shifa over the weekend, about 650 patients and 500 staff remain in the hospital, along with around 2,500 displaced Palestinians sheltering inside the complex, said Mohammed Zaqout, the director of hospitals in Gaza.

    The Health Ministry said 32 patients, including three babies, have died since Shifa’s emergency generator ran out of fuel Saturday. It said 36 babies, as well as other patients, are at risk of dying because life-saving equipment can't function.

    Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity that has supported Shifa's neonatal intensive care unit, said transferring critically ill infants is complex. “With ambulances unable to reach the hospital ... and no hospital with capacity to receive them, there is no indication of how this can be done safely," CEO Melanie Ward said. She said the only option was to pause the fighting and allow in fuel.

    The military said it placed 300 liters (79 gallons) of fuel several blocks from the hospital, but Hamas militants prevented staff from reaching it. The Health Ministry disputed that, saying Israel refused its request that the Red Crescent bring them the fuel rather than staff venturing out to retrieve it. The fuel would have provided less than an hour of electricity, it said.

    The U.S. has pushed for temporary pauses to allow wider distribution of badly needed aid. Israel has agreed only to daily windows during which civilians can flee northern Gaza along two main roads. It continues to strike what it says are militant targets across the territory, often killing women and children.

    Tens of thousands of people remain in the north.

    Saib Abu Hashish said he has been trapped on the ground floor of his family home along with 27 others in Gaza City, and they haven't left the house in three days and are running out of food and water. He said their neighbors attempted to escape the area Sunday, but Israeli forces fired on them.

    “We want to leave but we can’t because of the bombing,” he said by phone. “If we survive the bombing, we will die from hunger.”

    Those who make it south face a host of other difficulties. U.N.-run shelters are overflowing, and the lack of fuel has paralyzed water treatment systems, leaving taps dry and sending sewage into the streets. Israel has barred the import of fuel for generators.

    As of last Friday, more than 11,000 Palestinians, two-thirds of them women and minors, have been killed since the war began, according to the Health Ministry in Gaza, which does not differentiate between civilian and militant deaths. About 2,700 people have been reported missing.

    Health officials have not updated the toll, citing the difficulty of collecting information.

    At least 1,200 people have died on the Israeli side, mostly civilians killed in the initial Hamas attack. Palestinian militants are holding nearly 240 hostages seized in the raid, including men, women, children and older adults. The military says 44 soldiers have been killed in ground operations in Gaza.

    About 250,000 Israelis have evacuated from communities near Gaza, where Palestinian militants still fire barrages of rockets, and along the northern border, where Israel and Lebanon's Hezbollah militant group repeatedly trade fire, including on Monday.

    ___

    This story has been corrected to show that the Israeli military says 44, not 48, soldiers have been killed in ground operations in Gaza.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writers Amy Teibel in Jerusalem and Bassem Mroue in Beirut contributed to this report.

    ___

    Full AP coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war.



    "Spox"  That's the second new term I learned this week.  The other one I learned was... ah hem... "bell ends".  :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    what part of this isnt criminal? can our resident State of Israel spox tell us?

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-11-13-2023-c98faefe9d5bb213d3e44cf9defd5990   Battles force Palestinians out of hospitals in Gaza, leaving patients, babies and medics stranded

     
    Battles force Palestinians out of hospitals in Gaza, leaving patients, babies and medics stranded
    By WAFAA SHURAFA and SAMY MAGDY
    21 mins ago

    DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Battles around hospitals forced thousands of Palestinians to flee from some of the last shelters in northern Gaza, stranding critically wounded patients, including newborns, and their caregivers with dwindling supplies and no electricity, health officials said Monday.

    The Israeli military has urged Palestinians to flee south on foot through what it calls safe corridors. But its purported drive to separate civilians from Hamas militants has come at a heavy cost, with more than two-thirds of the territory’s population of 2.3 million having already fled their homes.

    Thousands fled Gaza's Shifa Hospital over the weekend as Israeli troops encircled it, but hundreds of patients and displaced people remained, according to officials. Shifa “is not functioning as a hospital anymore,” World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. A second Gaza City hospital faces evacuations after running out of fuel.

    Both sides have seized on the plight of hospitals, particularly Shifa’s, as a symbol of the larger war, now in its sixth week. The fighting was triggered by Hamas’ Oct. 7 surprise attack into Israel, and Israel’s response has brought unseen levels of death and destruction to Gaza.

    For Palestinians, Shifa evokes the suffering of civilians. For weeks, staff running low on supplies have performed surgery there on war-wounded patients, including children, without anesthesia. Up until days ago, tens of thousands of people driven from their homes by airstrikes lived in and around the complex, hoping it would be safe.

    Israel says Hamas shields itself among civilians, and that the hospital, Gaza’s largest, is a prime example. It says the militants have a command center in and beneath the medical compound. Israel has released maps and diagrams showing what it says are bunkers and other Hamas installations in and around Shifa, but has not provided any evidence.

    Israeli officials recently released photos and footage showing what they described as the opening of a tunnel next to another hospital, as well as gunmen firing from inside the building. They also have shared footage of militants operating in residential neighborhoods and positioning rockets and weapons near schools, hospitals and mosques.

    Both Hamas and Shifa hospital staff deny the Israeli allegations.

    After power went out for Shifa's incubators, the Health Ministry in Hamas-ruled Gaza released a photo it says shows about a dozen premature babies wrapped in blankets together on a bed to keep them at a proper temperature. Otherwise, “they immediately die,” said ministry spokesman Medhat Abbas, who added that four of the babies had been delivered by cesarean section after their mothers died.

    The Palestinians accuse Israel of firing recklessly toward hospitals, while Israel accuses Hamas of using the hospitals for cover. On Monday, Israel released a video showing what it said was a militant carrying an RPG launcher in front of Al-Quds hospital, the facility that ran out of fuel and was forced to shut down Sunday. An Israeli tank was stationed nearby.

    Preparations are being made to evacuate some 6,000 patients, medics and displaced people from Al-Quds, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent, which operates the facility.

    After the exodus of people from Shifa over the weekend, about 650 patients and 500 staff remain in the hospital, along with around 2,500 displaced Palestinians sheltering inside the complex, said Mohammed Zaqout, the director of hospitals in Gaza.

    The Health Ministry said 32 patients, including three babies, have died since Shifa’s emergency generator ran out of fuel Saturday. It said 36 babies, as well as other patients, are at risk of dying because life-saving equipment can't function.

    Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity that has supported Shifa's neonatal intensive care unit, said transferring critically ill infants is complex. “With ambulances unable to reach the hospital ... and no hospital with capacity to receive them, there is no indication of how this can be done safely," CEO Melanie Ward said. She said the only option was to pause the fighting and allow in fuel.

    The military said it placed 300 liters (79 gallons) of fuel several blocks from the hospital, but Hamas militants prevented staff from reaching it. The Health Ministry disputed that, saying Israel refused its request that the Red Crescent bring them the fuel rather than staff venturing out to retrieve it. The fuel would have provided less than an hour of electricity, it said.

    The U.S. has pushed for temporary pauses to allow wider distribution of badly needed aid. Israel has agreed only to daily windows during which civilians can flee northern Gaza along two main roads. It continues to strike what it says are militant targets across the territory, often killing women and children.

    Tens of thousands of people remain in the north.

    Saib Abu Hashish said he has been trapped on the ground floor of his family home along with 27 others in Gaza City, and they haven't left the house in three days and are running out of food and water. He said their neighbors attempted to escape the area Sunday, but Israeli forces fired on them.

    “We want to leave but we can’t because of the bombing,” he said by phone. “If we survive the bombing, we will die from hunger.”

    Those who make it south face a host of other difficulties. U.N.-run shelters are overflowing, and the lack of fuel has paralyzed water treatment systems, leaving taps dry and sending sewage into the streets. Israel has barred the import of fuel for generators.

    As of last Friday, more than 11,000 Palestinians, two-thirds of them women and minors, have been killed since the war began, according to the Health Ministry in Gaza, which does not differentiate between civilian and militant deaths. About 2,700 people have been reported missing.

    Health officials have not updated the toll, citing the difficulty of collecting information.

    At least 1,200 people have died on the Israeli side, mostly civilians killed in the initial Hamas attack. Palestinian militants are holding nearly 240 hostages seized in the raid, including men, women, children and older adults. The military says 44 soldiers have been killed in ground operations in Gaza.

    About 250,000 Israelis have evacuated from communities near Gaza, where Palestinian militants still fire barrages of rockets, and along the northern border, where Israel and Lebanon's Hezbollah militant group repeatedly trade fire, including on Monday.

    ___

    This story has been corrected to show that the Israeli military says 44, not 48, soldiers have been killed in ground operations in Gaza.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writers Amy Teibel in Jerusalem and Bassem Mroue in Beirut contributed to this report.

    ___

    Full AP coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war.



    "Spox"  That's the second new term I learned this week.  The other one I learned was... ah hem... "bell ends".  :lol:

    spokesperson = spox
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,041
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 
    you should change your user name to evenbro. LBC does not fit your comments. 
    evenbro. is that one taken yet??

    asking for a friend.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 
    you should change your user name to evenbro. LBC does not fit your comments. 
    evenbro. is that one taken yet??

    asking for a friend.

    hmmm, sounds like a song we all know.  :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • LBCeddie
    LBCeddie Posts: 112
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 

    Brilliant solution- kill everyone.  In fact, let's turn the planet into a parking lot.  We've already made a good start.  
    :sigh:
    Planet will be just fine.  Relax. 

    I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.  
    And yeah, of course the planet will be fine... after it's had several thousand years to clean up our mess.  Too bad for all the people in the meantime who will suffer, not to mention the very many species that will die of before their time thanks to stupid humans who don't give a shit about anything but their own selfish short-sighted desires. 
    You'll be long gone sir, stop acting like it makes any difference once you're toast.  You are fretting over something that may happen in hundreds of years. Spend your days enjoying your life instead of being a paranoid wreck for the rest of it.  The many species, here we go.

    You can't save the world from the Pearl Jam Forums.  Hate to break that to most of you here.  Try to relax, everything will be fine sir. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited November 2023
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 

    Brilliant solution- kill everyone.  In fact, let's turn the planet into a parking lot.  We've already made a good start.  
    :sigh:
    Planet will be just fine.  Relax. 

    I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.  
    And yeah, of course the planet will be fine... after it's had several thousand years to clean up our mess.  Too bad for all the people in the meantime who will suffer, not to mention the very many species that will die of before their time thanks to stupid humans who don't give a shit about anything but their own selfish short-sighted desires. 
    You'll be long gone sir, stop acting like it makes any difference once you're toast.  You are fretting over something that may happen in hundreds of years. Spend your days enjoying your life instead of being a paranoid wreck for the rest of it.  The many species, here we go.

    You can't save the world from the Pearl Jam Forums.  Hate to break that to most of you here.  Try to relax, everything will be fine sir. 
    Well, look, you're not "breaking" anything to me.  I've been around the block.  Let's get that straight right off.

    And look, my time here is irrelevant.  I could be dead tomorrow-- not uncommon at my age, ya know?   But I do care about these things for a whole lot of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens in my brief little flash of a lifetime. 

    And here's another thing--  I don't "worry" about about any of this stuff.  I worry about things like the fact that I may have leukoplakia, or that my cat may have a chronic condition that is causing her to limp, or that my wife my not be able to resume our daily walks together.  That's the kind of shit I worry about at my age, not where and when is climate change going to start causing all kind of havoc and causing massive numbers of deaths and so forth.  No, I worry about the things that are closest to me and mine.  The rest of it- all the BIG issues out there- is stuff I think about with concern, no worry, and certainly not paranoia (maybe look that word up and use it correctly next time).  I am concerned about these issues because I personally and otherwise know quite a few people who are a lot younger than me (not to mention a lot of other species I think are pretty cool) who may become heavily affected by these environmental issues in the not too distant future (After my time?  Maybe, maybe not).  Instead of merely fretting about those things, I've spent decades doing what I can to help those following me have a better chance for a decent life like I have had.  I've written letters, made phone calls, been a member of and/or made many donations of time and money to various environmental groups.  I've attended city, county, and state board meetings, and organized a gathering on the steps of town hall to raise awareness about climate change.  That's not worry, bud, that's action.
    And look, I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do.  You can sit on your couch and watch football all day long for all I care.  But if you want to help, if you want to lend a hand with the rest of use who do give a shit, I'm right there with you man.
    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • LBCeddie
    LBCeddie Posts: 112
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 

    Brilliant solution- kill everyone.  In fact, let's turn the planet into a parking lot.  We've already made a good start.  
    :sigh:
    Planet will be just fine.  Relax. 

    I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.  
    And yeah, of course the planet will be fine... after it's had several thousand years to clean up our mess.  Too bad for all the people in the meantime who will suffer, not to mention the very many species that will die of before their time thanks to stupid humans who don't give a shit about anything but their own selfish short-sighted desires. 
    You'll be long gone sir, stop acting like it makes any difference once you're toast.  You are fretting over something that may happen in hundreds of years. Spend your days enjoying your life instead of being a paranoid wreck for the rest of it.  The many species, here we go.

    You can't save the world from the Pearl Jam Forums.  Hate to break that to most of you here.  Try to relax, everything will be fine sir. 
    Well, look, you're not "breaking" anything to me.  I've been around the block.  Let's get that straight right off.

    And look, my time here is irrelevant.  I could be dead tomorrow-- not uncommon at my age, ya know?   But I do care about these things for a whole lot of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens in my brief little flash of a lifetime. 

    And here's another thing--  I don't "worry" about about any of this stuff.  I worry about things like the fact that I may have leukoplakia, or that my cat may have a chronic condition that is causing her to limp, or that my wife my not be able to resume our daily walks together.  That's the kind of shit I worry about at my age, not where and when is climate change going to start causing all kind of havoc and causing massive numbers of deaths and so forth.  No, I worry about the things that are closest to me and mine.  The rest of it- all the BIG issues out there- is stuff I think about with concern, no worry, and certainly not paranoia (maybe look that word up and use it correctly next time).  I am concerned about these issues because I personally and otherwise know quite a few people who are a lot younger than me (not to mention a lot of other species I think are pretty cool) who may become heavily affected by these environmental issues in the not too distant future (After my time?  Maybe, maybe not).  Instead of merely fretting about those things, I've spent decades doing what I can to help those following me have a better chance for a decent life like I have had.  I've written letters, made phone calls, been a member of and/or made many donations of time and money to various environmental groups.  I've attended city, county, and state board meetings, and organized a gathering on the steps of town hall to raise awareness about climate change.  That's not worry, bud, that's action.
    And look, I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do.  You can sit on your couch and watch football all day long for all I care.  But if you want to help, if you want to lend a hand with the rest of use who do give a shit, I'm right there with you man.
    Oh wow. Where to begin? Sorry you have dedicated so much time and effort to save the world only to deem your time here “irrelevant”. I guess one question is, if you’ve always realized your/our irrelevance, why have you wasted the better part of your life saving the world? The wonderful folks who are much younger than you will be just fine. Don’t believe the hype. Thats paranoia speaking. I will absolutely choose watching football all day (on Sunday, college football blows) over convincing myself I am saving the world through what is really wasted effort unfortunately. Maybe save the energy for the important reasons you mentioned above that should cause you concern, and enjoy some football or something when it comes to climate and government and all the cool species instead of wasting time and energy. Healthy balance? I just couldn’t imagine spending “decades” of my time and energy on saving the world, only to turn around and say my time here is irrelevant. I would feel like my life is one big contradiction. And to think, I did it all for the Saola. 
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    edited November 2023
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 

    Brilliant solution- kill everyone.  In fact, let's turn the planet into a parking lot.  We've already made a good start.  
    :sigh:
    Planet will be just fine.  Relax. 

    I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.  
    And yeah, of course the planet will be fine... after it's had several thousand years to clean up our mess.  Too bad for all the people in the meantime who will suffer, not to mention the very many species that will die of before their time thanks to stupid humans who don't give a shit about anything but their own selfish short-sighted desires. 
    You'll be long gone sir, stop acting like it makes any difference once you're toast.  You are fretting over something that may happen in hundreds of years. Spend your days enjoying your life instead of being a paranoid wreck for the rest of it.  The many species, here we go.

    You can't save the world from the Pearl Jam Forums.  Hate to break that to most of you here.  Try to relax, everything will be fine sir. 
    Well, look, you're not "breaking" anything to me.  I've been around the block.  Let's get that straight right off.

    And look, my time here is irrelevant.  I could be dead tomorrow-- not uncommon at my age, ya know?   But I do care about these things for a whole lot of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens in my brief little flash of a lifetime. 

    And here's another thing--  I don't "worry" about about any of this stuff.  I worry about things like the fact that I may have leukoplakia, or that my cat may have a chronic condition that is causing her to limp, or that my wife my not be able to resume our daily walks together.  That's the kind of shit I worry about at my age, not where and when is climate change going to start causing all kind of havoc and causing massive numbers of deaths and so forth.  No, I worry about the things that are closest to me and mine.  The rest of it- all the BIG issues out there- is stuff I think about with concern, no worry, and certainly not paranoia (maybe look that word up and use it correctly next time).  I am concerned about these issues because I personally and otherwise know quite a few people who are a lot younger than me (not to mention a lot of other species I think are pretty cool) who may become heavily affected by these environmental issues in the not too distant future (After my time?  Maybe, maybe not).  Instead of merely fretting about those things, I've spent decades doing what I can to help those following me have a better chance for a decent life like I have had.  I've written letters, made phone calls, been a member of and/or made many donations of time and money to various environmental groups.  I've attended city, county, and state board meetings, and organized a gathering on the steps of town hall to raise awareness about climate change.  That's not worry, bud, that's action.
    And look, I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do.  You can sit on your couch and watch football all day long for all I care.  But if you want to help, if you want to lend a hand with the rest of use who do give a shit, I'm right there with you man.
    Oh wow. Where to begin? Sorry you have dedicated so much time and effort to save the world only to deem your time here “irrelevant”. I guess one question is, if you’ve always realized your/our irrelevance, why have you wasted the better part of your life saving the world? The wonderful folks who are much younger than you will be just fine. Don’t believe the hype. Thats paranoia speaking. I will absolutely choose watching football all day (on Sunday, college football blows) over convincing myself I am saving the world through what is really wasted effort unfortunately. Maybe save the energy for the important reasons you mentioned above that should cause you concern, and enjoy some football or something when it comes to climate and government and all the cool species instead of wasting time and energy. Healthy balance? I just couldn’t imagine spending “decades” of my time and energy on saving the world, only to turn around and say my time here is irrelevant. I would feel like my life is one big contradiction. And to think, I did it all for the Saola. 
    If it wasn’t for people like brian we’d have gone extinct years ago.  You don’t have to agree but being so flippant isn’t necessary, is it?  
    I personally think it’s a waste to watch the NFL over college football based on players passion alone, but I’m not going to keep harping on you about it.   
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  • LBCeddie
    LBCeddie Posts: 112
    cblock4life said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 

    Brilliant solution- kill everyone.  In fact, let's turn the planet into a parking lot.  We've already made a good start.  
    :sigh:
    Planet will be just fine.  Relax. 

    I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.  
    And yeah, of course the planet will be fine... after it's had several thousand years to clean up our mess.  Too bad for all the people in the meantime who will suffer, not to mention the very many species that will die of before their time thanks to stupid humans who don't give a shit about anything but their own selfish short-sighted desires. 
    You'll be long gone sir, stop acting like it makes any difference once you're toast.  You are fretting over something that may happen in hundreds of years. Spend your days enjoying your life instead of being a paranoid wreck for the rest of it.  The many species, here we go.

    You can't save the world from the Pearl Jam Forums.  Hate to break that to most of you here.  Try to relax, everything will be fine sir. 
    Well, look, you're not "breaking" anything to me.  I've been around the block.  Let's get that straight right off.

    And look, my time here is irrelevant.  I could be dead tomorrow-- not uncommon at my age, ya know?   But I do care about these things for a whole lot of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens in my brief little flash of a lifetime. 

    And here's another thing--  I don't "worry" about about any of this stuff.  I worry about things like the fact that I may have leukoplakia, or that my cat may have a chronic condition that is causing her to limp, or that my wife my not be able to resume our daily walks together.  That's the kind of shit I worry about at my age, not where and when is climate change going to start causing all kind of havoc and causing massive numbers of deaths and so forth.  No, I worry about the things that are closest to me and mine.  The rest of it- all the BIG issues out there- is stuff I think about with concern, no worry, and certainly not paranoia (maybe look that word up and use it correctly next time).  I am concerned about these issues because I personally and otherwise know quite a few people who are a lot younger than me (not to mention a lot of other species I think are pretty cool) who may become heavily affected by these environmental issues in the not too distant future (After my time?  Maybe, maybe not).  Instead of merely fretting about those things, I've spent decades doing what I can to help those following me have a better chance for a decent life like I have had.  I've written letters, made phone calls, been a member of and/or made many donations of time and money to various environmental groups.  I've attended city, county, and state board meetings, and organized a gathering on the steps of town hall to raise awareness about climate change.  That's not worry, bud, that's action.
    And look, I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do.  You can sit on your couch and watch football all day long for all I care.  But if you want to help, if you want to lend a hand with the rest of use who do give a shit, I'm right there with you man.
    Oh wow. Where to begin? Sorry you have dedicated so much time and effort to save the world only to deem your time here “irrelevant”. I guess one question is, if you’ve always realized your/our irrelevance, why have you wasted the better part of your life saving the world? The wonderful folks who are much younger than you will be just fine. Don’t believe the hype. Thats paranoia speaking. I will absolutely choose watching football all day (on Sunday, college football blows) over convincing myself I am saving the world through what is really wasted effort unfortunately. Maybe save the energy for the important reasons you mentioned above that should cause you concern, and enjoy some football or something when it comes to climate and government and all the cool species instead of wasting time and energy. Healthy balance? I just couldn’t imagine spending “decades” of my time and energy on saving the world, only to turn around and say my time here is irrelevant. I would feel like my life is one big contradiction. And to think, I did it all for the Saola. 
    If it wasn’t for people like brian we’d have gone instinct years ago.  You don’t have to agree but being so flippant isn’t necessary, is it?  
    I personally think it’s a waste to watch the NFL over college football based on players passion alone, but I’m not going to keep harping on you about it.   
    Go Birds
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    LBCeddie said:
    cblock4life said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 

    Brilliant solution- kill everyone.  In fact, let's turn the planet into a parking lot.  We've already made a good start.  
    :sigh:
    Planet will be just fine.  Relax. 

    I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.  
    And yeah, of course the planet will be fine... after it's had several thousand years to clean up our mess.  Too bad for all the people in the meantime who will suffer, not to mention the very many species that will die of before their time thanks to stupid humans who don't give a shit about anything but their own selfish short-sighted desires. 
    You'll be long gone sir, stop acting like it makes any difference once you're toast.  You are fretting over something that may happen in hundreds of years. Spend your days enjoying your life instead of being a paranoid wreck for the rest of it.  The many species, here we go.

    You can't save the world from the Pearl Jam Forums.  Hate to break that to most of you here.  Try to relax, everything will be fine sir. 
    Well, look, you're not "breaking" anything to me.  I've been around the block.  Let's get that straight right off.

    And look, my time here is irrelevant.  I could be dead tomorrow-- not uncommon at my age, ya know?   But I do care about these things for a whole lot of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens in my brief little flash of a lifetime. 

    And here's another thing--  I don't "worry" about about any of this stuff.  I worry about things like the fact that I may have leukoplakia, or that my cat may have a chronic condition that is causing her to limp, or that my wife my not be able to resume our daily walks together.  That's the kind of shit I worry about at my age, not where and when is climate change going to start causing all kind of havoc and causing massive numbers of deaths and so forth.  No, I worry about the things that are closest to me and mine.  The rest of it- all the BIG issues out there- is stuff I think about with concern, no worry, and certainly not paranoia (maybe look that word up and use it correctly next time).  I am concerned about these issues because I personally and otherwise know quite a few people who are a lot younger than me (not to mention a lot of other species I think are pretty cool) who may become heavily affected by these environmental issues in the not too distant future (After my time?  Maybe, maybe not).  Instead of merely fretting about those things, I've spent decades doing what I can to help those following me have a better chance for a decent life like I have had.  I've written letters, made phone calls, been a member of and/or made many donations of time and money to various environmental groups.  I've attended city, county, and state board meetings, and organized a gathering on the steps of town hall to raise awareness about climate change.  That's not worry, bud, that's action.
    And look, I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do.  You can sit on your couch and watch football all day long for all I care.  But if you want to help, if you want to lend a hand with the rest of use who do give a shit, I'm right there with you man.
    Oh wow. Where to begin? Sorry you have dedicated so much time and effort to save the world only to deem your time here “irrelevant”. I guess one question is, if you’ve always realized your/our irrelevance, why have you wasted the better part of your life saving the world? The wonderful folks who are much younger than you will be just fine. Don’t believe the hype. Thats paranoia speaking. I will absolutely choose watching football all day (on Sunday, college football blows) over convincing myself I am saving the world through what is really wasted effort unfortunately. Maybe save the energy for the important reasons you mentioned above that should cause you concern, and enjoy some football or something when it comes to climate and government and all the cool species instead of wasting time and energy. Healthy balance? I just couldn’t imagine spending “decades” of my time and energy on saving the world, only to turn around and say my time here is irrelevant. I would feel like my life is one big contradiction. And to think, I did it all for the Saola. 
    If it wasn’t for people like brian we’d have gone instinct years ago.  You don’t have to agree but being so flippant isn’t necessary, is it?  
    I personally think it’s a waste to watch the NFL over college football based on players passion alone, but I’m not going to keep harping on you about it.   
    Go Birds
    Philly fan?  Me too!  Common ground can always be found!  
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 

    Brilliant solution- kill everyone.  In fact, let's turn the planet into a parking lot.  We've already made a good start.  
    :sigh:
    Planet will be just fine.  Relax. 

    I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.  
    And yeah, of course the planet will be fine... after it's had several thousand years to clean up our mess.  Too bad for all the people in the meantime who will suffer, not to mention the very many species that will die of before their time thanks to stupid humans who don't give a shit about anything but their own selfish short-sighted desires. 
    You'll be long gone sir, stop acting like it makes any difference once you're toast.  You are fretting over something that may happen in hundreds of years. Spend your days enjoying your life instead of being a paranoid wreck for the rest of it.  The many species, here we go.

    You can't save the world from the Pearl Jam Forums.  Hate to break that to most of you here.  Try to relax, everything will be fine sir. 
    Well, look, you're not "breaking" anything to me.  I've been around the block.  Let's get that straight right off.

    And look, my time here is irrelevant.  I could be dead tomorrow-- not uncommon at my age, ya know?   But I do care about these things for a whole lot of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens in my brief little flash of a lifetime. 

    And here's another thing--  I don't "worry" about about any of this stuff.  I worry about things like the fact that I may have leukoplakia, or that my cat may have a chronic condition that is causing her to limp, or that my wife my not be able to resume our daily walks together.  That's the kind of shit I worry about at my age, not where and when is climate change going to start causing all kind of havoc and causing massive numbers of deaths and so forth.  No, I worry about the things that are closest to me and mine.  The rest of it- all the BIG issues out there- is stuff I think about with concern, no worry, and certainly not paranoia (maybe look that word up and use it correctly next time).  I am concerned about these issues because I personally and otherwise know quite a few people who are a lot younger than me (not to mention a lot of other species I think are pretty cool) who may become heavily affected by these environmental issues in the not too distant future (After my time?  Maybe, maybe not).  Instead of merely fretting about those things, I've spent decades doing what I can to help those following me have a better chance for a decent life like I have had.  I've written letters, made phone calls, been a member of and/or made many donations of time and money to various environmental groups.  I've attended city, county, and state board meetings, and organized a gathering on the steps of town hall to raise awareness about climate change.  That's not worry, bud, that's action.
    And look, I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do.  You can sit on your couch and watch football all day long for all I care.  But if you want to help, if you want to lend a hand with the rest of use who do give a shit, I'm right there with you man.
    Oh wow. Where to begin? Sorry you have dedicated so much time and effort to save the world only to deem your time here “irrelevant”. I guess one question is, if you’ve always realized your/our irrelevance, why have you wasted the better part of your life saving the world? The wonderful folks who are much younger than you will be just fine. Don’t believe the hype. Thats paranoia speaking. I will absolutely choose watching football all day (on Sunday, college football blows) over convincing myself I am saving the world through what is really wasted effort unfortunately. Maybe save the energy for the important reasons you mentioned above that should cause you concern, and enjoy some football or something when it comes to climate and government and all the cool species instead of wasting time and energy. Healthy balance? I just couldn’t imagine spending “decades” of my time and energy on saving the world, only to turn around and say my time here is irrelevant. I would feel like my life is one big contradiction. And to think, I did it all for the Saola. 
    Spoken like a true human - we should stop investing in better futures today, lead our lives identically to how we always have, and give today's problems to tomorrow's humans once we've made it worse through inaction. 

    All I can say is that to criticize a life in search of meaning, purpose and betterment because of your sense of futility, is highly rude and informed by a sense of apathy and cynicism, but also a lack of respect for others. It doesn't make you a better or more enlightened human just because you don't see a point in trying to solve a bigger problem, while others still do (or have). 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    brianlux said:
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 

    Brilliant solution- kill everyone.  In fact, let's turn the planet into a parking lot.  We've already made a good start.  
    :sigh:
    Planet will be just fine.  Relax. 

    I'm quite relaxed thank you very much.  
    And yeah, of course the planet will be fine... after it's had several thousand years to clean up our mess.  Too bad for all the people in the meantime who will suffer, not to mention the very many species that will die of before their time thanks to stupid humans who don't give a shit about anything but their own selfish short-sighted desires. 
    You'll be long gone sir, stop acting like it makes any difference once you're toast.  You are fretting over something that may happen in hundreds of years. Spend your days enjoying your life instead of being a paranoid wreck for the rest of it.  The many species, here we go.

    You can't save the world from the Pearl Jam Forums.  Hate to break that to most of you here.  Try to relax, everything will be fine sir. 
    Well, look, you're not "breaking" anything to me.  I've been around the block.  Let's get that straight right off.

    And look, my time here is irrelevant.  I could be dead tomorrow-- not uncommon at my age, ya know?   But I do care about these things for a whole lot of reasons that have nothing to do with what happens in my brief little flash of a lifetime. 

    And here's another thing--  I don't "worry" about about any of this stuff.  I worry about things like the fact that I may have leukoplakia, or that my cat may have a chronic condition that is causing her to limp, or that my wife my not be able to resume our daily walks together.  That's the kind of shit I worry about at my age, not where and when is climate change going to start causing all kind of havoc and causing massive numbers of deaths and so forth.  No, I worry about the things that are closest to me and mine.  The rest of it- all the BIG issues out there- is stuff I think about with concern, no worry, and certainly not paranoia (maybe look that word up and use it correctly next time).  I am concerned about these issues because I personally and otherwise know quite a few people who are a lot younger than me (not to mention a lot of other species I think are pretty cool) who may become heavily affected by these environmental issues in the not too distant future (After my time?  Maybe, maybe not).  Instead of merely fretting about those things, I've spent decades doing what I can to help those following me have a better chance for a decent life like I have had.  I've written letters, made phone calls, been a member of and/or made many donations of time and money to various environmental groups.  I've attended city, county, and state board meetings, and organized a gathering on the steps of town hall to raise awareness about climate change.  That's not worry, bud, that's action.
    And look, I'm not telling you or anyone else what to do.  You can sit on your couch and watch football all day long for all I care.  But if you want to help, if you want to lend a hand with the rest of use who do give a shit, I'm right there with you man.
    Oh wow. Where to begin? Sorry you have dedicated so much time and effort to save the world only to deem your time here “irrelevant”. I guess one question is, if you’ve always realized your/our irrelevance, why have you wasted the better part of your life saving the world? The wonderful folks who are much younger than you will be just fine. Don’t believe the hype. Thats paranoia speaking. I will absolutely choose watching football all day (on Sunday, college football blows) over convincing myself I am saving the world through what is really wasted effort unfortunately. Maybe save the energy for the important reasons you mentioned above that should cause you concern, and enjoy some football or something when it comes to climate and government and all the cool species instead of wasting time and energy. Healthy balance? I just couldn’t imagine spending “decades” of my time and energy on saving the world, only to turn around and say my time here is irrelevant. I would feel like my life is one big contradiction. And to think, I did it all for the Saola. 

    We're done here.  I'm not a fish and I don't argue with strangers on the internet.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359
    interesting if true. and not out of the realm of possibility....

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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    mickeyrat said:
     interesting if true. and not out of the realm of possibility....

    cblock4life said:
    Thank you.  This was a great read.  I said before that Israel will not stop.  Did they get too complacent?  

    “or means to an end. who can say.  I dont trust any with the thirst for power”

    I had to think about this a bit because wouldn’t that mean they knew but still allowed the attack to go on?  There’s so much to digest.  
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359
    powerful.....

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359
    yup.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359
    means to an end....

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,359

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,564
    LBCeddie said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Moral superiority, eh?
    Ask Lerxst?

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    We should have turned all those Arab nations into parking lots immediately. And we should turn Israel and Palestine into rubble right now. 
    What a humanitarian solution you have! Where did you conjure it up in a cave or the swamps of Louisiana? 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....

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