PJ20 boot

Bunting10

I’m pretty sure this may get asked annually, but what the heck, when will we see an official boot of PJ20?  Maybe a vault box set?  Although I think it would deserve a wider release.  

I’m listening to the crowd recording today and would love an official one at some point.  Night 2 was the best PJ concert (out of 26) that I’ve been to!

Spiritual_Chaos

It's being saved for the Riot Act Deluxe Box Set due to Help Help being played.

Bunting10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

It's being saved for the Riot Act Deluxe Box Set due to Help Help being played.

Haha It missed the Yield 25th anniversary though with Push Me Pull Me (which strangely I’ve seen twice). 

Lost In Ohio

1) It won't be released due to the band not liking how it sounds.

2) It can't be released due to legal issues with the guest artists.

That's what I've heard as rumor/conjecture.

kmcmanus

Lost In Ohio said:

1) It won't be released due to the band not liking how it sounds.

2) It can't be released due to legal issues with the guest artists.

That's what I've heard as rumor/conjecture.

I mean, one of the guest artists does have a pretty litigious widow, as Matt well knows.
I would love boots of the 2016 Temple tour and I’d imagine she is why we haven’t seen them. If not the whole tour boots at least a live album.

evenflow82

I was there for both nights...

The band was under rehearsed and it was kind of shambolic. 

mace1229

I’ve always heard the bad wasn’t happy with they way they played/sounded.

2-feign-reluctance

I thought that entire weekend was beautiful and I hope the shows see the light of day. 

Ryan

Night 1 was one of the sloppiest shows, maybe even sloppiest, out of the 70 times I’ve seen Pearl Jam.  

mace1229

I was so anxious about not making it night 1 I didn’t notice if they were sloppy or not.
was the first trip my girlfriend (now wife) had taken together. The directions to the venue were horrendous. The hotel handed out maps that were wrong, Google maps was wrong. We were driving around seemed like an extra hour and half trying to find it. We pulled into some random store to ask for directions as a limo was pulling out, the told was that was Rodman asking for directions too.
Finally got there, got my tickets (and vault 1) and entered the venue as PJ took the stage. Had great seats N1, sat down about the time they finished the first song.

Spiritual_Chaos

mace1229 said:

I’ve always heard the bad wasn’t happy with they way they played/sounded.

What does "always" mean. From how many sources did you hear this, and where from?

Or is it just things people writing here on the forum out of their ass, that people later pick up on and use as their "I have heard" sources?

The same with someone above saying a rumor is legal issues with guest artists. From where is this rumor? Someone just writing something out of nowhere on this forum, or someone actually having heard it from someone working with Pearl Jam or Nugs or Rolling Stone.

Is it things people have heard, or is it things people repeat that is nothing more than just once writings by clueless users on here.

Spiritual_Chaos

Regarding PJ20. It obviously have everything to do with expectations, but the buzz and speculations before was huge (lineup and where they might play) and then when the website for it launched with the lineup etc to me it was a sure "naw, not worth going for".

Kwieneke

evenflow82 said:

I was there for both nights...

The band was under rehearsed and it was kind of shambolic. 

I don't think i have ever heard this. any first hand witnesses care to share a story?

hypnotist collector

I was lucky enough to score 10c tickets after the whole PJF5 fiasco most had to endure (myself included). Night 1 was, at the time, the closest seat that I had been awarded up to that point in my PJ live show career. So I was bursting with anxious and exquisite excitement for the guys to play and it’s why I was so enthralled by the show that night (and again the second night). What some may deem as the band sounding “sloppy”’ or “shambolic” was part of the evening’s joy. There was such a feeling of unrestrained possibility after every song ended. This was a fest for PJ die-hands after all. What would they play next? How deep would the cut be? Who would they bring out? It was an electric night, and the set list was mind-blowing. So please please please Pearl Jam and 10c if you are listening, consider releasing these shows as either a Vault release(s) or their own special thing. But damn, warts and all, this was a watershed moment in the pantheon of live Pearl Jam show. My opinion. Cheers to all

mace1229

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mace1229 said:

I’ve always heard the bad wasn’t happy with they way they played/sounded.

What does "always" mean. From how many sources did you hear this, and where from?

Or is it just things people writing here on the forum out of their ass, that people later pick up on and use as their "I have heard" sources?

The same with someone above saying a rumor is legal issues with guest artists. From where is this rumor? Someone just writing something out of nowhere on this forum, or someone actually having heard it from someone working with Pearl Jam or Nugs or Rolling Stone.

Is it things people have heard, or is it things people repeat that is nothing more than just once writings by clueless users on here.

I’m just saying thats the rumor that keeps repeating, that’s all.
I didn’t claim to have insider knowledge. But this question comes up at least a few times a year and that is probably the most common response. Whether it is true or not, I don’t know.

CROJAM95

neither show is in my top ten-15, but the weekend was one of the most fun.....just having a good time, cubs game, packers home opener, pre parties.....meeting a ton of people

mace1229

My guess is, whether they like the show or not, it will one day be released. In 15 years from now when they’re feeling too old to go on a stadium tour, they’ll realize they can make an easy few hundred thousand bucks by just releasing it, and they will.
Same goes for Wrigley 2013. Both shows that a lot of people want and would be easy sellers.

demetrios

Ryan said:

Night 1 was one of the sloppiest shows, maybe even sloppiest, out of the 70 times I’ve seen Pearl Jam.  

Sounds like we will never get this bootleg released as a Vault. 

JimmyV

My guess has always been they are holding it back for a special release at some point. 

For what it's worth, I was at the Montreal show a few days later and they sounded great. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Sloppy is more rock and roll than tight but riding a specially designed lamp during porch

CROJAM95

i remember buying the " 27 club" print 4/6 from the artists there......been hanging since, it was def merch a pol oza 

Vitalogensia

I was at both shows.  I haven't listened to the audience recordings in a few years, but from what I recall Ed flubbed a lot of lyrics, and I think he said during the second show that they were playing "Reach Down" again because it didn't sound good enough night one.  

Regardless, I enjoyed the hell out of both shows, it was a fun event.

mace1229

I don’t mind a sloppy performance for a bootleg. Sloppy by PJ standards is still a good show. The main thing I hate for bootlegs are poor quality recordings.
Theres enough good quality and good shows already available, I don’t need another one. I’d rather have something that was memorable, like PJ20. I’d be more likely to buy that than some random show from 20 years ago I didn’t attend - I’d probably buy both, but would look forward to the one more than the other.

mfc2006

I have nothing but great memories from that whole weekend. Loved every minute of it.

EMizner

I don’t remember the shows having a single bad moment. I remember being freezing cold in the rain, but the whole thing was magical

3days

Loved both shows. Night 1 was fairly sloppy... just not their tightest/best, but there were some great highlights. Stardog Champion was pretty choice. Night 2 was better performed, but perhaps more hits heavy. 

Members of PJ performed during so many other band's sets those days... It's understandable that their performances were less polished.

BF25394

Ryan said:

Night 1 was one of the sloppiest shows, maybe even sloppiest, out of the 70 times I’ve seen Pearl Jam.  

Twins! I have also been to (precisely) 70 PJ shows, and these two shows definitely rank towards the bottom. The Temple of the Dog reunion was not as exciting to me as it may have been to other folks because I had been at both the 2003 Santa Barbara and 2006 L.A. shows where they had previously been joined by Cornell for Temple songs.

I don't specifically remember the band sounding shambolic. I liked the inclusion of several "Lost Dogs"; I did not care for the litany of uninspired covers: "Arms Aloft" and "Public Image" as well as "Kick Out the Jams" and "The New World." And Pearl Jam should never "cover" "Setting Forth."

If they were shambolic, I'm not sure what their excuse was since they had plenty of time to rehearse (not that rehearsal is something they've ever embraced, as far as I can tell).

The most shambolic show(s) I've ever heard were the two in Oakland in 2022 when Matt had COVID. They were really exciting because there was so much energy in the room, especially the first night, but it was apparent live-- and really apparent on the CDs-- that some of the songs were in danger of falling apart at any moment. (I have it on good authority that the band itself felt this way.) Anyway, if they released those shows (and they did), I can't imagine that performance quality is what's keeping PJ20 from being released (and, again, I don't have any specific recollection that they sounded that bad in Wisconsin).

iOnlyownMymind

BF25394 said:

Ryan said:

Night 1 was one of the sloppiest shows, maybe even sloppiest, out of the 70 times I’ve seen Pearl Jam.  

Twins! I have also been to (precisely) 70 PJ shows, and these two shows definitely rank towards the bottom. The Temple of the Dog reunion was not as exciting to me as it may have been to other folks because I had been at both the 2003 Santa Barbara and 2006 L.A. shows where they had previously been joined by Cornell for Temple songs.

I don't specifically remember the band sounding shambolic. I liked the inclusion of several "Lost Dogs"; I did not care for the litany of uninspired covers: "Arms Aloft" and "Public Image" as well as "Kick Out the Jams" and "The New World." And Pearl Jam should never "cover" "Setting Forth."

If they were shambolic, I'm not sure what their excuse was since they had plenty of time to rehearse (not that rehearsal is something they've ever embraced, as far as I can tell).

The most shambolic show(s) I've ever heard were the two in Oakland in 2022 when Matt had COVID. They were really exciting because there was so much energy in the room, especially the first night, but it was apparent live-- and really apparent on the CDs-- that some of the songs were in danger of falling apart at any moment. (I have it on good authority that the band itself felt this way.) Anyway, if they released those shows (and they did), I can't imagine that performance quality is what's keeping PJ20 from being released (and, again, I don't have any specific recollection that they sounded that bad in Wisconsin).

You thought they sounded that bad at Oakland? I was in the pit both nights and sure it wasn't perfect with fill in drummers, but I thought were pretty sweet shows and the songs felt pretty alive to me.

darthvedder

Yeah, the 2013 Oakland show was much more "shambolic" than the 2022 Oakland shows. It seemed like every Yield song they attempted blew up in their faces. 

When they introduced the bootlegs in 2000, they specifically mentioned they would be released "warts and all," as someone else mentioned in this thread. Poor performances have never been a reason to not release bootlegs. It has to be something else with PJ20.

evenflow82

It wasn't just any old gig though. This isn't Fresno in 2000, etc it was Alpine Valley for their own twentieth birthday celebration. 

I wish PJ would rehearse more. It's unfortunate we have to wait until their fifth gig for them to hit their stride when they perform 9-20 shows a year. 

Bunting10

I will say night 1 was underwhelming. Night two though I think was pretty damn good.