Official 2023 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

mattcoz

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

JimmyV

While not cheap, the $160 price point is more reasonable than many other bands. Not all, but many. If Premium really does play a role in that, then so be it. 

Merkin Baller

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

I imagine it was much easier to take a stand against ticket master back when they were generating revenue from album sales. 

It was only a few years later that file sharing came along, and then streaming services etc. The entire industry and business model has changed since the '90s. 

moozeekfan

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It’s the nature of the ticketing world now.  That money would typically go to scalpers and now it’s going directly to the band(s).  Every artist has to do this if playing arenas.  It’s money left on the table.  

There’s two ways to fix this IMO.  1) an artist plays a market until demand is met (aka the Garth Brooks plan).  He stays in a town until he can’t sell anymore tickets.  Sometimes it’s two weeks in a city.  Scalping is non-existent for the most part.  

2). All-in ticket pricing.  Price what the ticket is worth.  Everyone wants to sit in the front row?  Price it at $2000 per ticket.  No one wants to sit in the upper deck nosebleeds?  $20 a ticket.  None of this “service charge” fee which fluctuates on the price of the ticket baloney.  One fee all upfront.  Be forthright.  People might still grumble, but no one will be left to wonder.  

Cons:  Artists don’t want to be seen as greedy by charging so much for the seats closest to the stage.  Which is why Ticketmaster exists, but that’s for another thread.  

aisleseats

mattcoz said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.

MR242791

hankholetsgo said:

MR242791 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.  

Won’t someone think of the millionaires. 

LOL

JeBurkhardt

MR242791 said:

anyone off the waitlist yet?

Nope, and I tried to see if it would let me enter the queue with no code so i could see what was available, no dice.

schaefferlax

Anybody heard back about new seats in Ft Worth?

mattcoz

moozeekfan said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It’s the nature of the ticketing world now.  That money would typically go to scalpers and now it’s going directly to the band(s).  Every artist has to do this if playing arenas.  It’s money left on the table.  

There’s two ways to fix this IMO.  1) an artist plays a market until demand is met (aka the Garth Brooks plan).  He stays in a town until he can’t sell anymore tickets.  Sometimes it’s two weeks in a city.  Scalping is non-existent for the most part.  

2). All-in ticket pricing.  Price what the ticket is worth.  Everyone wants to sit in the front row?  Price it at $2000 per ticket.  No one wants to sit in the upper deck nosebleeds?  $20 a ticket.  None of this “service charge” fee which fluctuates on the price of the ticket baloney.  One fee all upfront.  Be forthright.  People might still grumble, but no one will be left to wonder.  

Cons:  Artists don’t want to be seen as greedy by charging so much for the seats closest to the stage.  Which is why Ticketmaster exists, but that’s for another thread.  

Yeah, "directly" to the band, after Ticketmaster takes their huge cut. I have to wonder how much they actually get.

ryanphishes

Good luck to all trying today!

Eddieredder

hankholetsgo said:

MR242791 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.  

Won’t someone think of the millionaires. 

Don't they deserve to be millionaires?

StephanieL19

So are we supposed to sit at our computers and wait until we get a code and then go for seats?

This feels super weird for Pearl Jam.

NEVER have had an issue like this.

jwc6160

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people. 

Eddieredder

aisleseats said:

mattcoz said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.

I mean it makes sense to me. Similar practices work in all kinds of business. What does your model look like? Happy to show you my crude assumptions

JojoRice

StephanieL19 said:

So are we supposed to sit at our computers and wait until we get a code and then go for seats?

This feels super weird for Pearl Jam.

NEVER have had an issue like this.

If you were selected for the Verified Fan sale, you would have received a code by now. 

mattcoz

Eddieredder said:

hankholetsgo said:

MR242791 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.  

Won’t someone think of the millionaires. 

Don't they deserve to be millionaires?

Of course they do, it's just when you talk about needing to take care of their families. Their families are fine, they'll be fine if they retire now and never play another show. I mean, unless they squandered all their money, in which case they aren't millionaires.

fixer123

Merkin Baller said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

I imagine it was much easier to take a stand against ticket master back when they were generating revenue from album sales. 

It was only a few years later that file sharing came along, and then streaming services etc. The entire industry and business model has changed since the '90s. 

This is actually a GREAT point. Money is almost entirely in live shows now. Much different world than when they came up.

StephanieL19

This is just rude. I am a verified fan since 1993! LOL. WTF. No, I don't "GOT IT"

GRRRRRR  

Merkin Baller

mattcoz said:

Eddieredder said:

hankholetsgo said:

MR242791 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.  

Won’t someone think of the millionaires. 

Don't they deserve to be millionaires?

Of course they do, it's just when you talk about needing to take care of their families. Their families are fine, they'll be fine if they retire now and never play another show. I mean, unless they squandered all their money, in which case they aren't millionaires.

How about keeping their business going? They have a team of employees (w/ families, I'm sure) to support as well. There's more to it than just taking care of their own families. 

AdamJNovak

If anyone happens to get (or is willing to get an extra) for Chicago night 2 during the verified fan sale, I’d absolutely love it! Let me know, and thanks so much in advance!! Venmo or PayPal ready!