You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
Ohana! Dr said arthroscopy would relieve any pain but not help w instability in my situation. I’m definitely going to get a second opinion on that down the road, but happy PT is helping so far.
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
Ohana! Dr said arthroscopy would relieve any pain but not help w instability in my situation. I’m definitely going to get a second opinion on that down the road, but happy PT is helping so far.
your doctor is correct. the meniscus helps with stability of the knee, and if you take more and more out via arthroscopy, your instability will remain or could get worse. the research shows that arthroscopic "clean ups" help temporarily for pain, but long term are not as effective as we want them to be. at our age pt is probably the best course of action until your arthritis is bad enough for a total knee.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
Ohana! Dr said arthroscopy would relieve any pain but not help w instability in my situation. I’m definitely going to get a second opinion on that down the road, but happy PT is helping so far.
your doctor is correct. the meniscus helps with stability of the knee, and if you take more and more out via arthroscopy, your instability will remain or could get worse. the research shows that arthroscopic "clean ups" help temporarily for pain, but long term are not as effective as we want them to be. at our age pt is probably the best course of action until your arthritis is bad enough for a total knee.
Good info. Thanks. I've had multiple scopes in both knees and you're making me second guess it now.
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
Ohana! Dr said arthroscopy would relieve any pain but not help w instability in my situation. I’m definitely going to get a second opinion on that down the road, but happy PT is helping so far.
your doctor is correct. the meniscus helps with stability of the knee, and if you take more and more out via arthroscopy, your instability will remain or could get worse. the research shows that arthroscopic "clean ups" help temporarily for pain, but long term are not as effective as we want them to be. at our age pt is probably the best course of action until your arthritis is bad enough for a total knee.
Thanks gimme. Glad I saw your old comments in the tennis elbow thread recently, so I understand your background. PT has been terrific, over the past few mos, I added a lot of weight to my leg presses and TKEs, I am at the point where maintaining weights lifted is optimal for now. But PT takes time. I’ll probably join a gym when the insurance co pulls the plug on PT.
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
Ohana! Dr said arthroscopy would relieve any pain but not help w instability in my situation. I’m definitely going to get a second opinion on that down the road, but happy PT is helping so far.
your doctor is correct. the meniscus helps with stability of the knee, and if you take more and more out via arthroscopy, your instability will remain or could get worse. the research shows that arthroscopic "clean ups" help temporarily for pain, but long term are not as effective as we want them to be. at our age pt is probably the best course of action until your arthritis is bad enough for a total knee.
Good info. Thanks. I've had multiple scopes in both knees and you're making me second guess it now.
it depends on what the goal of the procedure is. if they are going to go in and clean up spurring from the arthritis it will help with pain temporarily but the body will just lay those bone spurs down again. the body cannot regenerate articular cartilage so it does what it thinks is the next best thing by laying down bone. if they keep going in and removing it the body will try to "heal" it by putting bone there.
if you have a meniscus tear that is painful and it is in a "white zone" of the meniscus that does not have good blood supply it will not heal so trimming that out is usually the only option. it is like trimming a hangnail so it does not snag on things and stay painful. they usually only take out a small part but if you take out a bunch of small parts in multiple surgeries over a lifetime it adds up. back before arthroscopy they used to just open up the knee and remove the whole meniscus. that was before they understood the meniscus and that it is more important for knee health than they ever thought. nowadays if someone tears their meniscus they try to save it by sewing it back together. but only if the tear is in the "red zone" where there is good blood supply. sewing something with poor blood supply will not heal, so that is when they usually trim it out.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
Ohana! Dr said arthroscopy would relieve any pain but not help w instability in my situation. I’m definitely going to get a second opinion on that down the road, but happy PT is helping so far.
your doctor is correct. the meniscus helps with stability of the knee, and if you take more and more out via arthroscopy, your instability will remain or could get worse. the research shows that arthroscopic "clean ups" help temporarily for pain, but long term are not as effective as we want them to be. at our age pt is probably the best course of action until your arthritis is bad enough for a total knee.
Thanks gimme. Glad I saw your old comments in the tennis elbow thread recently, so I understand your background. PT has been terrific, over the past few mos, I added a lot of weight to my leg presses and TKEs, I am at the point where maintaining weights lifted is optimal for now. But PT takes time. I’ll probably join a gym when the insurance co pulls the plug on PT.
that's awesome! glad it is helping. the problem with pt is you have to do the homework as well and many people do not have time to do it consistently. if you make it a priority you can maintain your strength and function and reduce your pain. there are other options for knee arthritis. if it is just medial or just lateral you can try an unloader brace that will put pressure on the medial or lateral side of your knee to gap it open so that it relieves pressure on the area where it is bone on bone. plus, since it is a brace it can help with stability as well. it is only effective if you have the arthritis in one compartment. most people have it medially so they use a medial unloader brace. if it is in both medial and lateral compartments the brace will not be as effective because offloading one compartment puts more stress on the other compartment so it can make the pain worse in that one compartment.
you can always ask your doc about that. they know your knee better than i do, ha.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
Ohana! Dr said arthroscopy would relieve any pain but not help w instability in my situation. I’m definitely going to get a second opinion on that down the road, but happy PT is helping so far.
your doctor is correct. the meniscus helps with stability of the knee, and if you take more and more out via arthroscopy, your instability will remain or could get worse. the research shows that arthroscopic "clean ups" help temporarily for pain, but long term are not as effective as we want them to be. at our age pt is probably the best course of action until your arthritis is bad enough for a total knee.
Good info. Thanks. I've had multiple scopes in both knees and you're making me second guess it now.
it depends on what the goal of the procedure is. if they are going to go in and clean up spurring from the arthritis it will help with pain temporarily but the body will just lay those bone spurs down again. the body cannot regenerate articular cartilage so it does what it thinks is the next best thing by laying down bone. if they keep going in and removing it the body will try to "heal" it by putting bone there.
if you have a meniscus tear that is painful and it is in a "white zone" of the meniscus that does not have good blood supply it will not heal so trimming that out is usually the only option. it is like trimming a hangnail so it does not snag on things and stay painful. they usually only take out a small part but if you take out a bunch of small parts in multiple surgeries over a lifetime it adds up. back before arthroscopy they used to just open up the knee and remove the whole meniscus. that was before they understood the meniscus and that it is more important for knee health than they ever thought. nowadays if someone tears their meniscus they try to save it by sewing it back together. but only if the tear is in the "red zone" where there is good blood supply. sewing something with poor blood supply will not heal, so that is when they usually trim it out.
Very interesting. I've been told on the knee that is currently torn that the narrowing is so bad, it's just bone on bone. I'm not sure there is much cartilage even left. He said that's what I'm feeling with the pain, not necessarily the torn ACL itself.
POOTWH claimed bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Can't imagine his knees are great, given all that kneeling before Putin on the Ritz in Helsinki. Thread integrity and all.
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POOTWH claimed bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Can't imagine his knees are great, given all that kneeling before Putin on the Ritz in Helsinki. Thread integrity and all.
Carrying around 280lbs isn't great on the knees either.
POOTWH claimed bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Can't imagine his knees are great, given all that kneeling before Putin on the Ritz in Helsinki. Thread integrity and all.
Carrying around 280lbs isn't great on the knees either.
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POOTWH claimed bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Can't imagine his knees are great, given all that kneeling before Putin on the Ritz in Helsinki. Thread integrity and all.
Carrying around 280lbs isn't great on the knees either.
POOTWH claimed bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Can't imagine his knees are great, given all that kneeling before Putin on the Ritz in Helsinki. Thread integrity and all.
Carrying around 280lbs isn't great on the knees either.
POOTWH claimed bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Can't imagine his knees are great, given all that kneeling before Putin on the Ritz in Helsinki. Thread integrity and all.
Carrying around 280lbs isn't great on the knees either.
Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.
Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control.
Mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.
Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control.
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POOTWH claimed bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Can't imagine his knees are great, given all that kneeling before Putin on the Ritz in Helsinki. Thread integrity and all.
Carrying around 280lbs isn't great on the knees either.
POOTWH claimed bone spurs to avoid serving in Vietnam. Can't imagine his knees are great, given all that kneeling before Putin on the Ritz in Helsinki. Thread integrity and all.
Well, it can get a bit slow around amt on sundays, so good to spice it up with variety, especially when we can learn things…
You're lucky russ. I never thought I'd have a bad knee, yet there it is. No more GA for me :(
Oh my knee is bad. I have a torn ACL as we speak. It's the third time I've torn it. Tore the original, tore the patella replacement and the cadaver. But the arthritis is so bad that they won't do another one. I have to wait for a replacement, and I'm at least a decade too young for that. I will tell you that golf is not terrible on the knee. I can't torque anymore, but I still walk 18 twice a weekend. Standing in one place in GA is bad though. It gets super tight.
What's your knee issue?
Wow, sorry to hear that. I tore meniscus three months ago and big issue is buckling. So once I bend knee a little it wants to give. Also plenty of arthritis. Luckily no pain. PT is making legs stronger which is helpful.
They don't want to do an arthroscopy? If they offer, you should do it. That's a nothing procedure and you'll feel great in two weeks, standing GA at Ohana.
Ohana! Dr said arthroscopy would relieve any pain but not help w instability in my situation. I’m definitely going to get a second opinion on that down the road, but happy PT is helping so far.
your doctor is correct. the meniscus helps with stability of the knee, and if you take more and more out via arthroscopy, your instability will remain or could get worse. the research shows that arthroscopic "clean ups" help temporarily for pain, but long term are not as effective as we want them to be. at our age pt is probably the best course of action until your arthritis is bad enough for a total knee.
Good info. Thanks. I've had multiple scopes in both knees and you're making me second guess it now.
it depends on what the goal of the procedure is. if they are going to go in and clean up spurring from the arthritis it will help with pain temporarily but the body will just lay those bone spurs down again. the body cannot regenerate articular cartilage so it does what it thinks is the next best thing by laying down bone. if they keep going in and removing it the body will try to "heal" it by putting bone there.
if you have a meniscus tear that is painful and it is in a "white zone" of the meniscus that does not have good blood supply it will not heal so trimming that out is usually the only option. it is like trimming a hangnail so it does not snag on things and stay painful. they usually only take out a small part but if you take out a bunch of small parts in multiple surgeries over a lifetime it adds up. back before arthroscopy they used to just open up the knee and remove the whole meniscus. that was before they understood the meniscus and that it is more important for knee health than they ever thought. nowadays if someone tears their meniscus they try to save it by sewing it back together. but only if the tear is in the "red zone" where there is good blood supply. sewing something with poor blood supply will not heal, so that is when they usually trim it out.
Very interesting. I've been told on the knee that is currently torn that the narrowing is so bad, it's just bone on bone. I'm not sure there is much cartilage even left. He said that's what I'm feeling with the pain, not necessarily the torn ACL itself.
yeah with bone on bone the only real solution is cortisone or viscosupplementation until you are ready for a total knee. unless it is one compartment, either medial or lateral, then the unloader brace i referenced earlier could maybe help. the meniscus damage will get worse too because since the acl is blown there is less stability in the knee so that extra laxity just causes the femoral condyles to beat up on the meniscus.
yeah the pain from a torn acl is very brief because when you tear it you tear the pain receptors connecting the ligament to the brain, so once the initial pain from that settles down what you feel is the surrounding inflamed structures that have an intact nerve supply.
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if you have a meniscus tear that is painful and it is in a "white zone" of the meniscus that does not have good blood supply it will not heal so trimming that out is usually the only option. it is like trimming a hangnail so it does not snag on things and stay painful. they usually only take out a small part but if you take out a bunch of small parts in multiple surgeries over a lifetime it adds up. back before arthroscopy they used to just open up the knee and remove the whole meniscus. that was before they understood the meniscus and that it is more important for knee health than they ever thought. nowadays if someone tears their meniscus they try to save it by sewing it back together. but only if the tear is in the "red zone" where there is good blood supply. sewing something with poor blood supply will not heal, so that is when they usually trim it out.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you can always ask your doc about that. they know your knee better than i do, ha.
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ding ding ding
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Cheeto Jesus is acting as squirrely as ever.
On a side note, Joe Biden is always walking around like his feet are KILLING him.
HILARIOUS
Don Trump needs to keep Aileen's name out his mouth.
Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025
The former president and his backers aim to strengthen the power of the White House and limit the independence of federal agencies.
By Jonathan Swan, Charlie Savage and Maggie Haberman
Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.
Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control.
Mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.
Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control.
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now let’s chat about indicting the cop killer.
yeah the pain from a torn acl is very brief because when you tear it you tear the pain receptors connecting the ligament to the brain, so once the initial pain from that settles down what you feel is the surrounding inflamed structures that have an intact nerve supply.
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