---President Elect Musk and Convicted Criminal VP Elect Donald J Trump---

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,990
    2023
    Trump probably was 6'3" at some point, but he's very old now, and of course has shrunk a couple of inches, so him being 6'1 or less makes total sense.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,828
    OnWis97 said:
    Trump is actually 6'10" but has the rare superpower of being able to scale himself to others in photos so they are not as intimidated by his size and badassery.
    That’s quite funny!
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,828
    PJ_Soul said:
    Trump probably was 6'3" at some point, but he's very old now, and of course has shrunk a couple of inches, so him being 6'1 or less makes total sense.
    And this is probably true. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,360
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Trump probably was 6'3" at some point, but he's very old now, and of course has shrunk a couple of inches, so him being 6'1 or less makes total sense.
    And this is probably true. 

    that post election family photo with the newly adopted Leon shows Baron a full head taller....
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,195
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    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Trump probably was 6'3" at some point, but he's very old now, and of course has shrunk a couple of inches, so him being 6'1 or less makes total sense.
    And this is probably true. 

    that post election family photo with the newly adopted Leon shows Baron a full head taller....
    Trump showing big restraint bigly by not taking inferiority-complex-driven shots at Baron.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,375
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,761
    teskeinc said:
    BF25394 said:
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    tbergs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    BF25394 said:
    It really is bizarre. For the eighth time in nine presidential elections since 1988, the Republican candidate failed to obtain 50 percent of the popular vote. Where are all the thinkpieces asking why Republicans have so much difficulty appealing to a majority of the electorate?

    The fact of the matter is that we have a closely divided electorate. Obama's 53-46 win is probably about as much of a landslide as is possible under current conditions. Republicans are going to end up with 49.8 or 49.9 percent of the 2024 presidential vote and about 50.5 percent of the aggregate House vote. That's enough to win, but they would be wise to pay attention to the repeated lessons of the 21st century. Overread your "mandate" and the voters will turn on you in the next election, as they did on Bush in 2006, Obama in 2010, Trump in 2018 and Biden in 2022 (yes, Republicans won back the House majority in 2022 despite the common mischaracterization that the Democrats "won" in 2022-- they defeated expectations, but expectations are made up; they lost what matters, a majority of House seats). 

    If we had a parliamentary system, Republicans and Democrats would each probably get around 45-46 percent of the vote and one of them would have to cobble together a governing coalition with minor parties. Under our dumb system, you don't even need to get 50 percent of the aggregate House vote to be the majority party. And the Senate is even dumber. Two senators for Wyoming's 600,000 people and two senators for California's 40 million. Two senators for Vermont's 750,000 people and two senators for Texas' 30 million.)
    I remember in the 1990s within the 10 total minutes I spent listening to Rush Limbaugh, he ripped Clinton for not having 50% of the popular vote (which was obviously driven by Ross Perot, when no such third-party presence had been there for the Reagan/Bush wins). I suspect he stopped talking about that in 2000.
    I was a dittohead and bought two of his books. It is interesting to think that he will be remembered for nothing. Yet trump gave him the medal of freedom.
    I neither know nor care what he'll be remembered for. That said, I kind of consider him the grandfather of our current political climate. From the little that I heard (and I guess you'd know more than I) his entire schtick was whining about and villainizing the left/Dems/libs. And now that's pretty much the entire "news" that a huge chunk of the country gets.
    Yeah that was it. He just had a really good radio presence. He was funny and not really evil like he became to be later in life. The schtick had to get more aggressive to keep people interested. He gave birth to the Mark Levin style of idiocy.


    Ha....Gern, as a young teenager, I used to watch Limbaugh's show back then too. I think my parents got me his book as a xmas gift. 

    BFS is right---there is no mandate by Trump. The guy has run three times and has never gotten more than 50% of the vote. There is no reason to build a cabinet made up of the most partisan unqualified dopes imaginable...yet here we are. 



    I am curious what the 49.9% will say in the near future when they realize the price of their bacon continued to rise or that we wound in a massive recession. 
    To you last sentence, I would say that they clearly don't care and won't care. There doesn't seem to be an actual interest in whether any of the stuff Trump said will actually happen. Many only seem to care that their person won. They don't care about his character, the character of his cabinet or if any of them will improve their lives. They like what he said he'd do and approve of these non-traditional picks because these are the people Trump needs around him to carry out some of his extreme agenda items. In 4 years, they'll just vote for which ever person yells louder about exaggerated issues. It will just be harder for the incumbent party to separate themselves from the mess he's going to create. I expect that the dems will sweep back all branches in 2028 as long as they go through a rigorous primary to nominate a strong candidate and SCOTUS doesn't uphold some new exception that fucks up things. 
    The first chance to take back the House is in 2026, not 2028. Trump made headway with people who don't vote regularly. A lot of those people will not even be aware that every seat in the House is up for election in 2026. Republicans have 50.74 percent of the aggregate 2024 House vote at present. The party of the incumbent president typically faces major headwinds in the midterm election, and they don't have a large majority they are starting from.
    All they have to do is run ads that Democrats fight for men who cosplay their sexual fantasies and dress and pretend to be women so they can hang out legally in women’s restrooms and they will never hold a majority again. 
    They ran those ads this year and still did not get 50 percent of the presidential vote. Good luck trying that approach after two years of the Trump shit show reminds the low-information people why they voted him out the first time, and after the return of sky-high inflation thanks to tariffs.
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 
    We just lived through the sky-highest inflation of our lifetime!
    I don't know how old you are, but I'm old enough for this statement not to be true (and I suspect you are, too). Anyway, my post acknowledges that there was sky-high inflation during the Biden term. The point is that many voters do not understand the macroeconomic reasons why inflation soared. They just blamed the sitting administration for it regardless of the extent to which it was the result of that administration's policies. And if inflation soars again in the next four years, they will do the same thing (even though the right-wing media sphere will be certain either to ignore the issue or twist themselves in knots to explain it away-- prepare for the argument that five-percent inflation in 2026 is somehow better than 2.3-percent inflation in 2024).


    But still better than the 9% in 22 and 23.


    Open to any of the maga supporters who occasionally visit here. 
     

    Economically, why would you vote for trump?
    (Assuming your income is under $360,000. If it's greater, congrats!)

    Without a doubt, his 2017 tax cuts benefitted the wealthiest . And his current tax plan obviously will repeat that:









    And we can even see the long term impact of republican supply side tax cuts favoring the wealthy. It should be very obvious in this chart when Reaganomics began:






    And....if we can keep this to provable facts and evidence please, and not political rhetoric 


  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
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    https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-assault-allegations-police-report-trump-e6ebec0a1a5c7fb51cb5e2198f5e12a5
    So when will the smearing of the victim start he can deny it but I’m sure at some point the victim will become the attacker! That’s headmaster’s play on all his victims I’m sure they are both strategizing on how to do the weave on this nominee! 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,360
    chart looks accurate to me. was in second group fro. 17 to 21. now my income puts me in the 4th group. from the start, we had to go from exemptions filing married jointly with certain credits to withholding single claiming 0 and for me an additional 50 a week withheld to file single to break even.

    I lost eligibility to file the transportation worker per diem credit(company only can oversee now, mine wont touch it.) we both lost unreimbursed expense credit, wife works at home.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
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    Yeah sure don’t see how his policies help middle class families 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,375
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    Yeah sure don’t see how his policies help middle class families 
    Just wait until the dental bills come rolling in. And that BIG, BEAUTIFUL, GREAT healthcare plan that will help pay for it.
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  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Yeah sure don’t see how his policies help middle class families 
    Safe to assume everyone survived the 20-50% inflation increases on everything over the last 4 years. But that was a small price trying to save democracy I guess. 🤷🏻‍♂️
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
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    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
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    teskeinc said:
    I’m hoping all those MAGA fools that can barely speak proper English will eat themselves into cardiac failure! 
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  • battle1battle1 PHI Posts: 321
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,784
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    Trying to get us on board to not vote Trump in 2028 I guess 😂😂😂😂
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
    2025
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    teskeinc said:
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    Trying to get us on board to not vote Trump in 2028 I guess 😂😂😂😂
    It’s right there in print and no I don’t give a flying fuck who you vote for at all! When will you admit that P25 is well underway, it’s your god given right to be able to express and vote for whoever it is even Rapists or Sexual predators or just plain vile human beings! 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
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    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    It’s great that you and testy know who I’m referring to Fuck face will be the name I use to talk about him is that ok? 
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  • battle1battle1 PHI Posts: 321
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    It’s great that you and testy know who I’m referring to Fuck face will be the name I use to talk about him is that ok? 
    I couldn't care less what you call the guy.  That's what you and others here fail to comprehend.  I'm just looking out for your well-being.  Take care of yourself. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
    2025
    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    It’s great that you and testy know who I’m referring to Fuck face will be the name I use to talk about him is that ok? 
    I couldn't care less what you call the guy.  That's what you and others here fail to comprehend.  I'm just looking out for your well-being.  Take care of yourself. 
    Great we’re on the same page I could care less what you think of me posting here or anywhere on the board! 
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  • battle1battle1 PHI Posts: 321
    edited November 24
    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    It’s great that you and testy know who I’m referring to Fuck face will be the name I use to talk about him is that ok? 
    I couldn't care less what you call the guy.  That's what you and others here fail to comprehend.  I'm just looking out for your well-being.  Take care of yourself. 
    Great we’re on the same page I could care less what you think of me posting here or anywhere on the board! 
    You are very angry.  I will move on from discussions with you going forward.  I truly hope you find peace in your life.  

    PS- It's "couldn't care less...."
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
    2025
    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    It’s great that you and testy know who I’m referring to Fuck face will be the name I use to talk about him is that ok? 
    I couldn't care less what you call the guy.  That's what you and others here fail to comprehend.  I'm just looking out for your well-being.  Take care of yourself. 
    Great we’re on the same page I could care less what you think of me posting here or anywhere on the board! 
    You are very angry.  I will move on from discussions with you going forward.  I truly hope you find peace in your life.  

    PS- It's "couldn't care less...."
    I know I didn’t feel like going back and editing it but you knew exactly what I meant and your the one who’s angry storming off like your not going to respond to me 😂 my life is fantastic I have a great family life I’m caring for my elderly father so yeah I have plenty of peace 
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  • battle1battle1 PHI Posts: 321
    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    It’s great that you and testy know who I’m referring to Fuck face will be the name I use to talk about him is that ok? 
    I couldn't care less what you call the guy.  That's what you and others here fail to comprehend.  I'm just looking out for your well-being.  Take care of yourself. 
    Great we’re on the same page I could care less what you think of me posting here or anywhere on the board! 
    You are very angry.  I will move on from discussions with you going forward.  I truly hope you find peace in your life.  

    PS- It's "couldn't care less...."
    I know I didn’t feel like going back and editing it but you knew exactly what I meant and your the one who’s angry storming off like your not going to respond to me 😂 my life is fantastic I have a great family life I’m caring for my elderly father so yeah I have plenty of peace 

  • Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,208
    Correcting grammar on a message board to try and look educated is so pathetic. 
  • battle1battle1 PHI Posts: 321
    Hawk123 said:
    Correcting grammar on a message board to try and look educated is so pathetic. 
    "try to look educated..." 


  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,953
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    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    battle1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    Big news for you the plan to dismantle law & order is underway 
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/will-justice-department-fbi-officials-carry-trumps-prosecutions-rivals-rcna175650?icid=recommended
    Fuck face just wants to be able to do what ever he pleases with no repercussions! 
    More fear mongering, eh?  You are better than this, josevolution. 
    It’s great that you and testy know who I’m referring to Fuck face will be the name I use to talk about him is that ok? 
    I couldn't care less what you call the guy.  That's what you and others here fail to comprehend.  I'm just looking out for your well-being.  Take care of yourself. 
    Great we’re on the same page I could care less what you think of me posting here or anywhere on the board! 
    You are very angry.  I will move on from discussions with you going forward.  I truly hope you find peace in your life.  

    PS- It's "couldn't care less...."
    I know I didn’t feel like going back and editing it but you knew exactly what I meant and your the one who’s angry storming off like your not going to respond to me 😂 my life is fantastic I have a great family life I’m caring for my elderly father so yeah I have plenty of peace 

    He was great with that chair skit 
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  • Hawk123Hawk123 Posts: 2,208
    battle1 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Correcting grammar on a message board to try and look educated is so pathetic. 
    "try to look educated..." 


    Both are right but good try. 
  • battle1battle1 PHI Posts: 321
    Hawk123 said:
    battle1 said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Correcting grammar on a message board to try and look educated is so pathetic. 
    "try to look educated..." 


    Both are right but good try. 
    Wrong.  
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