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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,604
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13837745/The-truth-viral-rumors-Trumps-migrant-pet-eating-claims-Ohio-ducks-dogs-cats.html

    Allexis T. Ferrell was charged with cruelty to companion animals amid reports she killed a cat by stomping on its head before eating it. Ferrell is a US citizen and resident of Canton, Ohio - located some 170 miles away from Springfield

    How about we not get fooled so easily. 
  • 2023
    njhaley1 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Germany should be banned. 

    What's that? We can't do that? No more kielbasa then, it's FREEDOM SAUSAGE. 
    I think you meant, “no more Heilbasa then, it’s Reich sausage.”
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  • 2023
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    so trump referred to elon as "leon" yesterday. how does he screw that one up?
    Same way I mess up my own kids names at least once a week. 
    oh so you mix up the letters in your child's name and incorrectly pronounce it at least once a week? i seriously doubt it.

    my dog is harvey. that is like me calling him varhey or something. it just wouldn't happen like that.
    I call them the wrong name all the time, maybe not mix letters up.
    But I do with people I don’t live with, like co-workers.  Not that often, but often enough I wouldn’t think twice about it. If I called “Maria” “Ramia” instead once, would you really think anything was wrong? Now consider Elon isn’t a common name, but Leon is, why is it even a talking point if someone mixed it up? 

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,604
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

  • 2023
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    so trump referred to elon as "leon" yesterday. how does he screw that one up?
    Same way I mess up my own kids names at least once a week. 
    oh so you mix up the letters in your child's name and incorrectly pronounce it at least once a week? i seriously doubt it.

    my dog is harvey. that is like me calling him varhey or something. it just wouldn't happen like that.
    I call them the wrong name all the time, maybe not mix letters up.
    But I do with people I don’t live with, like co-workers.  Not that often, but often enough I wouldn’t think twice about it. If I called “Maria” “Ramia” instead once, would you really think anything was wrong? Now consider Elon isn’t a common name, but Leon is, why is it even a talking point if someone mixed it up? 

    ramia? yes, calling maria ramia is weird. it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and seems like it would take some effort to say it.

    elon is one of the most famous people in the world. to call him leon is just stupid.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,337
    edited September 12
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,337
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    so trump referred to elon as "leon" yesterday. how does he screw that one up?
    Same way I mess up my own kids names at least once a week. 
    oh so you mix up the letters in your child's name and incorrectly pronounce it at least once a week? i seriously doubt it.

    my dog is harvey. that is like me calling him varhey or something. it just wouldn't happen like that.
    I call them the wrong name all the time, maybe not mix letters up.
    But I do with people I don’t live with, like co-workers.  Not that often, but often enough I wouldn’t think twice about it. If I called “Maria” “Ramia” instead once, would you really think anything was wrong? Now consider Elon isn’t a common name, but Leon is, why is it even a talking point if someone mixed it up? 

    Are you on the payroll?
    It counts towards my court ordered community service.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,856
    2023
    man this group of people laughed out loud watching trump at the debate.

    https://x.com/maddenifico/status/1833948691461292433
    I did as well. 
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,856
    2023
    Laura Loomer? Are you fucking kidding me? He started with the JV team and now he's basically asking crackheads off the street to join his team.

    God help us all if he wins and this verifiable nut job is his press secretary or something. Holy shit.
    loomer and marge three names are in an epic feud on twitter right now. marge called her a racist because loomer said if harris wins the white house is going to smell like curry, or some other slur about indian food. loomer then replied and said that she knows people on marge's staff and that loomer heard that one of marge's favorite words is a word that begins with n and that she wonders if any of the staffers have her using that word on video. pretty crazy stuff.
    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1834016520952799703

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

  • njhaley1njhaley1 Posts: 778
    edited September 12
    Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    I think that's usually called "poaching," something typically associated with hillbillies.

    You'd think JV would be well-versed in something like that.

    Remindme this story? 
    https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/04/06/smiling-man-poses-with-wyoming-wolf-muzzle-taped-shortly-before-it-was-killed/

    Wonder why bummfuck, Wyo wasn't mentioned in the debate. 
    Post edited by njhaley1 on
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,337
    edited September 12
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    I had no idea these were stories being shared and believed by people until I spoke with someone who believes it.
    I thought it was Trump just rambling something off, but apparently this has been a thing for maga they believe being shared in their right wing circles. I had no idea. I was surprised to learn this wasn’t new “information” for a lot of people. Maybe a lot of people here follow that stuff and already knew, I didn’t.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    Yes, I was aware of this narrative before the debate; it's been in the news and JD Vance has been pushing it. 

    If you hadn't heard of it before Tuesday, you might want to expand your news sources. 
  • njhaley1njhaley1 Posts: 778
    Poaching and domestic animal abuse happens way more often than it should. I remember a veterinarian in Texas being charged for killing a cat with a bow and arrow. 

    https://aldf.org/case/fighting-to-bring-kristen-lindsey-to-justice/

    The question is not "can you believe that immigrants are abducting and slaughtering animals," it's "why was this suddenly a matter of extreme, debate-worthy mention importance?" 

    Fear. Fear and division among low-info voters. There's your answer. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
    njhaley1 said:
    Poaching and domestic animal abuse happens way more often than it should. I remember a veterinarian in Texas being charged for killing a cat with a bow and arrow. 

    https://aldf.org/case/fighting-to-bring-kristen-lindsey-to-justice/

    The question is not "can you believe that immigrants are abducting and slaughtering animals," it's "why was this suddenly a matter of extreme, debate-worthy mention importance?" 

    Fear. Fear and division among low-info voters. There's your answer. 
    "same old tired playbook" 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,337
    edited September 12
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    Yes, I was aware of this narrative before the debate; it's been in the news and JD Vance has been pushing it. 

    If you hadn't heard of it before Tuesday, you might want to expand your news sources. 
    Aside from social media, where have you seen these stories last week? 
    The reaction i see from most looks like they were hearing it for the first time.
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  • njhaley1njhaley1 Posts: 778
    njhaley1 said:
    Poaching and domestic animal abuse happens way more often than it should. I remember a veterinarian in Texas being charged for killing a cat with a bow and arrow. 

    https://aldf.org/case/fighting-to-bring-kristen-lindsey-to-justice/

    The question is not "can you believe that immigrants are abducting and slaughtering animals," it's "why was this suddenly a matter of extreme, debate-worthy mention importance?" 

    Fear. Fear and division among low-info voters. There's your answer. 
    "same old tired playbook" 
    Since the days of Tammany Hall. 

    And it's holding the entire nation back, allowing our competitors to outpace us. 

    Who'd want to do that? 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
    edited September 12
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    Yes, I was aware of this narrative before the debate; it's been in the news and JD Vance has been pushing it. 

    If you hadn't heard of it before Tuesday, you might want to expand your news sources. 
    Aside from social media, where have you seen these stories last week? 
    Now the goal posts have been moved from "before the debate" to "last week"?

    Classic. 

    Vance has been pushing this story since before the debate; I knew exactly what trump was talking about when he brought it up Tuesday night and I'm not alone. Do your own homework as to where and when it was reported. 
  • njhaley1njhaley1 Posts: 778
    edited September 12
    JV Vance self-owns:

    "We admire Taylor Swift's music, but don't think most Americans, whether they like her music, are fans of hers or not, are going to be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who think is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and the problems of most Americans." 

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/jd-vance-reacts-taylor-swifts-jab-him-harris-endorsement-fundamentally-disconnected

    Fox News link for EXTRA irony.


    Post edited by njhaley1 on
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,337
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    Yes, I was aware of this narrative before the debate; it's been in the news and JD Vance has been pushing it. 

    If you hadn't heard of it before Tuesday, you might want to expand your news sources. 
    Aside from social media, where have you seen these stories last week? 
    Now the goal posts have been moved from "before the debate" to "last week"?

    Classic. 

    Vance has been pushing this story since before the debate; I knew exactly what trump was talking about when he brought it up Tuesday night and I'm not alone. Do your own homework as to where and when it was reported. 
    The debate was Tuesday.  Ok, so Monday or before. I was off by 2 days, big deal.

    If it was everywhere, give me one example outside social media where you saw it. Should be easy. I can claim the sky is blue and I get asked for sources from people here. Just give me one report from Monday or before where this was a story outside social media.
    All the stories I’ve come across are linked to social media or local news covering the arrest. I can’t expect to follow local news around the country.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    Yes, I was aware of this narrative before the debate; it's been in the news and JD Vance has been pushing it. 

    If you hadn't heard of it before Tuesday, you might want to expand your news sources. 
    Aside from social media, where have you seen these stories last week? 
    Now the goal posts have been moved from "before the debate" to "last week"?

    Classic. 

    Vance has been pushing this story since before the debate; I knew exactly what trump was talking about when he brought it up Tuesday night and I'm not alone. Do your own homework as to where and when it was reported. 
    The debate was Tuesday.  Ok, so Monday or before. I was off by 2 days, big deal.

    If it was everywhere, give me one example outside social media where you saw it. Should be easy. I can claim the sky is blue and I get asked for sources from people here. Just give me one report from Monday or before where this was a story outside social media.
    All the stories I’ve come across are linked to social media or local news covering the arrest. I can’t expect to follow local news around the country.
    You can verify for yourself that the story was out there prior to the debate and you can verify for yourself that both trump and Vance were pushing it. As I said in my original reply: Maybe look into things more? 

    www.google.com 
  • njhaley1njhaley1 Posts: 778
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    Yes, I was aware of this narrative before the debate; it's been in the news and JD Vance has been pushing it. 

    If you hadn't heard of it before Tuesday, you might want to expand your news sources. 
    Aside from social media, where have you seen these stories last week? 
    Now the goal posts have been moved from "before the debate" to "last week"?

    Classic. 

    Vance has been pushing this story since before the debate; I knew exactly what trump was talking about when he brought it up Tuesday night and I'm not alone. Do your own homework as to where and when it was reported. 
    The debate was Tuesday.  Ok, so Monday or before. I was off by 2 days, big deal.

    If it was everywhere, give me one example outside social media where you saw it. Should be easy. I can claim the sky is blue and I get asked for sources from people here. Just give me one report from Monday or before where this was a story outside social media.
    All the stories I’ve come across are linked to social media or local news covering the arrest. I can’t expect to follow local news around the country.
    Tuesday morning was the first time I caught wind of it, and I watch pretty closely for bullshit. 

    I still can't believe grandpa Simpson thought it was a good idea to bring up. One of his staffers, maybe even JV himself, is a liberal operative. Change my mind. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,604
    In fairness to Mace, it's probably a compliment that he had no idea what that was about.  The people who know are fever swamp right wingers and news junkies.  I did misinterpret his original comment.  I thought he was trying to validate it.  

    It does bring up what was obvious in the debate.  Trump is deep, deep into the social media ecosystem of lies.  Not just this, but his statement on the crime rate was another right wing conspiracy lie.  They claim that big cities aren't reporting their stats to the FBI, that's why crime is down.  It's total nonsense and only alive in the fever swamps, but that's where he dwells.  
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,337
    edited September 12
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    Yes, I was aware of this narrative before the debate; it's been in the news and JD Vance has been pushing it. 

    If you hadn't heard of it before Tuesday, you might want to expand your news sources. 
    Aside from social media, where have you seen these stories last week? 
    Now the goal posts have been moved from "before the debate" to "last week"?

    Classic. 

    Vance has been pushing this story since before the debate; I knew exactly what trump was talking about when he brought it up Tuesday night and I'm not alone. Do your own homework as to where and when it was reported. 
    The debate was Tuesday.  Ok, so Monday or before. I was off by 2 days, big deal.

    If it was everywhere, give me one example outside social media where you saw it. Should be easy. I can claim the sky is blue and I get asked for sources from people here. Just give me one report from Monday or before where this was a story outside social media.
    All the stories I’ve come across are linked to social media or local news covering the arrest. I can’t expect to follow local news around the country.
    You can verify for yourself that the story was out there prior to the debate and you can verify for yourself that both trump and Vance were pushing it. As I said in my original reply: Maybe look into things more? 

    www.google.com 
    I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about at this point.
    I didn’t say Trump and Vance didn’t talk about it. I said it was a story being pushed by the maga circle that I hadn’t heard prior to the debate, and I assumed many others hadn’t either. 
    For those not on social media, it wasn’t covered by a major news outlet (to my knowledge). It was being spread primarily on social media.
    What exactly are we even arguing? I’m asking what news outlets should I expand my resources to include so I would have heard of this story and you won’t answer. 
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,856
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    mrussel1 said:
    In fairness to Mace, it's probably a compliment that he had no idea what that was about.  The people who know are fever swamp right wingers and news junkies.  I did misinterpret his original comment.  I thought he was trying to validate it.  

    It does bring up what was obvious in the debate.  Trump is deep, deep into the social media ecosystem of lies.  Not just this, but his statement on the crime rate was another right wing conspiracy lie.  They claim that big cities aren't reporting their stats to the FBI, that's why crime is down.  It's total nonsense and only alive in the fever swamps, but that's where he dwells.  
    Perhaps he should "drain the swamp".
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398

    Both NBC and Forbes (at least) were reporting Vance's claims about Haitians eating pets in advance of the debate, but I digress. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,604

    Both NBC and Forbes (at least) were reporting Vance's claims about Haitians eating pets in advance of the debate, but I digress. 
    I agree and I knew the reference and that it was already debunked.  But most people that are not news junkies wouldn't know about it.  I can say my wife certainly didn't. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
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    mrussel1 said:

    Both NBC and Forbes (at least) were reporting Vance's claims about Haitians eating pets in advance of the debate, but I digress. 
    I agree and I knew the reference and that it was already debunked.  But most people that are not news junkies wouldn't know about it.  I can say my wife certainly didn't. 
    That's fair. 

    Having said that. I think dismissing these lies as just something believed by a subculture or 'extreme' fringe group is irresponsible considering the way the GOP ticket is pushing the narrative. (& anyone who's been paying a minimal amount of attention these last 8 years know exactly why they're pushing it) 
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    mrussel1 said:
    In fairness to Mace, it's probably a compliment that he had no idea what that was about.  The people who know are fever swamp right wingers and news junkies.  I did misinterpret his original comment.  I thought he was trying to validate it.  

    It does bring up what was obvious in the debate.  Trump is deep, deep into the social media ecosystem of lies.  Not just this, but his statement on the crime rate was another right wing conspiracy lie.  They claim that big cities aren't reporting their stats to the FBI, that's why crime is down.  It's total nonsense and only alive in the fever swamps, but that's where he dwells.  
    well the guy owns truth social, the biggest cesspool of bullshit on the entire internet. its not a surprise he saw it and fell for it and amplified it.

    "i saw it on tv!!!"
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,457
    njhaley1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    For anyone else like me who had no idea and were curious where the cat eating comment came from, sounds like stories started circulating after this video went online last week.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1KUSW04oUc&list=RDNSJ1KUSW04oUc&start_radio=1

    I made a comment to someone how stupid that comment sounded and was told it’s a thing. It’s a problem in Ohio that’s been a topic lately. That’s what I was told, not what I believe.

    I know one video doesn’t make it a problem. It’s unclear if she’s even an immigrant or not (I haven’t seen any reliable info either way). And appears to be more of a case of mental illness than culture. But I guess this video and a few pictures of animal abuse online have sparked this pet eating rumor I had no idea about. It’s more people than Trump and Vance that think this is going on.
    Still sounded incredibly dumb to hear it from a presidential candidate.
    Mace - you appear to be getting sucked into the right wing social media world.  You’re going to lose your grip of the truth eventually.  They all do.  From the Bulwark.

    Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports

    I think you misinterpreted what I said.
    When I heard that comment on the debate I thought it came from nowhere. Apparently there are people who actually believe this is happening. I had no idea people thought that was going on.
    I don’t believe it’s actually happening more than an isolated case. And yes, I saw this was in Canton and not Springfield, but I figured that to be pretty irrelevant. 
    I’m just saying there’s this sub culture out there who really think pets are getting eaten up, sparked partially by that video. I don’t think it’s true, but I also had no idea that people actually thought that either. Albeit probably not a large number of people, but that’s why I called it a sub culture of extreme right/conservative/maga whatever you want to call it. Pre-debate people thought that, I had no idea this was a thing anyone was concerned about.
    Maybe look into things more?

    t's not some random internet hoax gone viral, it's a racist and xenophobic narrative being pushed by the GOP Presidential ticket. It's now been 3 presidential election cycles with a republican  platform blatantly stoking these sentiments, and people just shrug as if there's no way to tell where these stories are coming from or why. 

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/jd-vance-pet-eating-story-geese-abducted-and-slaughtered

    JD Vance Doubles Down on Evidence-Free Pet-Eating Story, Says He’s Also Heard Geese Are Being Abducted and Slaughtered

    "Earlier this week, vice presidential hopeful JD Vance spread a racist, debunked claim that Haitian immigrants living in Springfield, Ohio, had been stealing people’s pets and eating them. Donald Trump then amplified that claim to millions of people during Tuesday night’s debate. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs” he said, sounding like someone’s crazy uncle. “The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating—they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

    Considering that Trump’s line about “eating the dogs” and “eating the cats” was the low point of the night—in that it cemented the Republican candidate’s status as an unserious, unhinged individual who should not be allowed anywhere near the nuclear codes—you might have thought Vance would have decided to back off the pet story for now. But, surprise! The Ohio senator has instead doubled down...."

    What did I post that disagrees with what you said? I said it’s a sub culture of extreme right/maga that has existed prior to the debate.
    All I did was say I was unaware this was a thing being shared that people actually believed until now. Were you aware of these stores before the debate?
    Yes, I was aware of this narrative before the debate; it's been in the news and JD Vance has been pushing it. 

    If you hadn't heard of it before Tuesday, you might want to expand your news sources. 
    Aside from social media, where have you seen these stories last week? 
    Now the goal posts have been moved from "before the debate" to "last week"?

    Classic. 

    Vance has been pushing this story since before the debate; I knew exactly what trump was talking about when he brought it up Tuesday night and I'm not alone. Do your own homework as to where and when it was reported. 
    The debate was Tuesday.  Ok, so Monday or before. I was off by 2 days, big deal.

    If it was everywhere, give me one example outside social media where you saw it. Should be easy. I can claim the sky is blue and I get asked for sources from people here. Just give me one report from Monday or before where this was a story outside social media.
    All the stories I’ve come across are linked to social media or local news covering the arrest. I can’t expect to follow local news around the country.
    Tuesday morning was the first time I caught wind of it, and I watch pretty closely for bullshit. 

    I still can't believe grandpa Simpson thought it was a good idea to bring up. One of his staffers, maybe even JV himself, is a liberal operative. Change my mind. 
    It wasn't about thinking. It was about covering. She got him flustered and he grasped for straws and that's what he came up with. Voice was elevated almost to the point of yelling and then couldn't stand getting corrected.

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