I think they had serious discussions about bailing and decided not to. The CNN host kicking his campaign manager off the air would have given them the "CNN is too biased against me" excuse.
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I think they had serious discussions about bailing and decided not to. The CNN host kicking his campaign manager off the air would have given them the "CNN is too biased against me" excuse.
Yeah I was thinking that she was trying to provoke a reaction like that to make their excuse for bailing seem more reasonable.
It will be interesting. tRump has been pretty laid back about the debate when asked recently so he will either go with the presidential approach and just do the normal criticisms of policy, etc, or it's all a ruse and he'll just be an idiotic attack dog which is does very well.
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None of this stuff matters. It's all semantics. I doubt there are any real undecided voters and the outcome of the debate will change nothing. The majority of Trump voters aren't MAGA fiends, but conservatives who want someone in office who will push a conservative agenda. The bullshit that gets played on TV from Trump rallies and interviews is just background noise. It's a charade and just political theatre at this point. You can critique a Trump voter all you want and run circles around them with fact based analysis related to jobs, the economy, crime, border control and gun freedoms all you want, but in the end you pointing out their ignorance changes nothing. At the heart of it, they don't care and they ignore his sideshow, knowing it's an inconvenient means to the end of getting republican policies and agendas on the table. Whether Trump can actually govern, unlikely, but the people beneath will surely be ready to push things through, as seen with Project 2025.
I despise Trump with a passion, but what is more frustrating to me is the agenda that is on tap by the ultra conservative wackos who will be in positions of power if he is elected, again.
I've never been a huge fan of Joe Biden, but the guy at least cares and is willing to work across the aisle to make legislation happen. Trump and his sycophants seem to only be interested in sticking it to those who don't support them. The fact that an entire state can require the ten commandments be posted in all public schools and state colleges is unbelievable in the 21st century, but here we are. I guess what more should I expect from the party of thoughts and prayers. Say less, do more.
None of this stuff matters. It's all semantics. I doubt there are any real undecided voters and the outcome of the debate will change nothing. The majority of Trump voters aren't MAGA fiends, but conservatives who want someone in office who will push a conservative agenda. The bullshit that gets played on TV from Trump rallies and interviews is just background noise. It's a charade and just political theatre at this point. You can critique a Trump voter all you want and run circles around them with fact based analysis related to jobs, the economy, crime, border control and gun freedoms all you want, but in the end you pointing out their ignorance changes nothing. At the heart of it, they don't care and they ignore his sideshow, knowing it's an inconvenient means to the end of getting republican policies and agendas on the table. Where Trump can actual govern, unlikely but the people beneath will surely be ready to push things through, as seen with Project 2025.
I despise Trump with a passion, but what is more frustrating to me is the agenda that is on tap by the ultra conservative wackos who will be in positions of power of he is elected, again.
I've never been a huge fan of Joe Biden, but the guy at least cares and is willing to work across the aisle to make legislation happen. Trump and his sycophants seem to only be interested in sticking it to those who don't support them. The fact that the an entire state can require the ten commandments be posted in all public schools and state colleges is unbelievable in the 21st century, but here we are. I guess what more should I expect from the party of thoughts and prayers. Say less, do more.
Agreed.
Honestly the hardcore magats don't give two shits about the GOP agenda. Most of them likely oppose abortion restriction, etc.
They just want to beat the libtards. That's it. They don't care about the amount of debt that tRump will or has added, they don't care that he personally benefits from selling hotel rooms to the secret service. They just want their team to win.
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I think this debate might actually matter more than previous election cycles.
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
I think this debate might actually matter more than previous election cycles.
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
Unfortunately, and I have no data, but I feel like the undecided voters are people that went against Trump last election that are unhappy with Biden and/or the liberal/woke agenda.
I still have a hard time understanding someone being able to vote for trump....but I see why people would want to not vote for Biden. I will be voting for Biden, my 3rd presidential vote that I will absolutely hate making but feel there is no choice.
But I have has numerous conversations with people that I thought would never vote for Trump where they are talking about not being able to vote for Biden so may vote for Trump or not vote. I have been surprised a number of times with that comment.
I think this debate might actually matter more than previous election cycles.
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
Unfortunately, and I have no data, but I feel like the undecided voters are people that went against Trump last election that are unhappy with Biden and/or the liberal/woke agenda.
I still have a hard time understanding someone being able to vote for trump....but I see why people would want to not vote for Biden. I will be voting for Biden, my 3rd presidential vote that I will absolutely hate making but feel there is no choice.
But I have has numerous conversations with people that I thought would never vote for Trump where they are talking about not being able to vote for Biden so may vote for Trump or not vote. I have been surprised a number of times with that comment.
You're probably right. Hopefully they will be reminded of how disgusted they were of Trump once they see and hear his voice more often...
I think this debate might actually matter more than previous election cycles.
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
Unfortunately, and I have no data, but I feel like the undecided voters are people that went against Trump last election that are unhappy with Biden and/or the liberal/woke agenda.
I still have a hard time understanding someone being able to vote for trump....but I see why people would want to not vote for Biden. I will be voting for Biden, my 3rd presidential vote that I will absolutely hate making but feel there is no choice.
But I have has numerous conversations with people that I thought would never vote for Trump where they are talking about not being able to vote for Biden so may vote for Trump or not vote. I have been surprised a number of times with that comment.
This shows the effectiveness of the right wing narrative control. Joe’s middle of the road but all these people are worked up about “the left’s agenda” except that I don’t know what that is as far as actual policy goes.
None of this stuff matters. It's all semantics. I doubt there are any real undecided voters and the outcome of the debate will change nothing. The majority of Trump voters aren't MAGA fiends, but conservatives who want someone in office who will push a conservative agenda. The bullshit that gets played on TV from Trump rallies and interviews is just background noise. It's a charade and just political theatre at this point. You can critique a Trump voter all you want and run circles around them with fact based analysis related to jobs, the economy, crime, border control and gun freedoms all you want, but in the end you pointing out their ignorance changes nothing. At the heart of it, they don't care and they ignore his sideshow, knowing it's an inconvenient means to the end of getting republican policies and agendas on the table. Where Trump can actual govern, unlikely but the people beneath will surely be ready to push things through, as seen with Project 2025.
I despise Trump with a passion, but what is more frustrating to me is the agenda that is on tap by the ultra conservative wackos who will be in positions of power of he is elected, again.
I've never been a huge fan of Joe Biden, but the guy at least cares and is willing to work across the aisle to make legislation happen. Trump and his sycophants seem to only be interested in sticking it to those who don't support them. The fact that the an entire state can require the ten commandments be posted in all public schools and state colleges is unbelievable in the 21st century, but here we are. I guess what more should I expect from the party of thoughts and prayers. Say less, do more.
Agreed.
Honestly the hardcore magats don't give two shits about the GOP agenda. Most of them likely oppose abortion restriction, etc.
They just want to beat the libtards. That's it. They don't care about the amount of debt that tRump will or has added, they don't care that he personally benefits from selling hotel rooms to the secret service. They just want their team to win.
For many of them, it's about protecting and preserving a "traditional" non-diverse culture. They cite "Christianity" as their value system, but their values are mostly antithetical to the actual message in the gospels.
Then there are some people who just want conservative economic policies like low taxes and limited regulation of business, and they're willing to look the other way at the social policies of the right as long as it doesn't directly affect them.
I think this debate might actually matter more than previous election cycles.
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
Unfortunately, and I have no data, but I feel like the undecided voters are people that went against Trump last election that are unhappy with Biden and/or the liberal/woke agenda.
I still have a hard time understanding someone being able to vote for trump....but I see why people would want to not vote for Biden. I will be voting for Biden, my 3rd presidential vote that I will absolutely hate making but feel there is no choice.
But I have has numerous conversations with people that I thought would never vote for Trump where they are talking about not being able to vote for Biden so may vote for Trump or not vote. I have been surprised a number of times with that comment.
This shows the effectiveness of the right wing narrative control. Joe’s middle of the road but all these people are worked up about “the left’s agenda” except that I don’t know what that is as far as actual policy goes.
It's a mix of grooming children to be gay, forced conversion to Islam, eating babies and apologizing for the U.S.
I think this debate might actually matter more than previous election cycles.
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
I'm curious about how large the audience will be given the fact that it is so much earlier than any other presidential debate, and it's happening in summer when the days are long, school is out and people are busy with other things. Also, every previous presidential debate has been carried simultaneously on all networks, so this one is not any different in that regard. The only difference is that this debate is being administered by a single media outlet (CNN), not by a bipartisan commission.
I do think the fact that it will be in a TV studio without an audience will make it a lot more watchable.
I think this debate might actually matter more than previous election cycles.
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
I'm curious about how large the audience will be given the fact that it is so much earlier than any other presidential debate, and it's happening in summer when the days are long, school is out and people are busy with other things. Also, every previous presidential debate has been carried simultaneously on all networks, so this one is not any different in that regard. The only difference is that this debate is being administered by a single media outlet (CNN), not by a bipartisan commission.
I do think the fact that it will be in a TV studio without an audience will make it a lot more watchable.
I think the debates have been successfully reframed as 'entertainment' instead of 'education'.. more cage match than debate. If that turns out to be true, no audience and no interruptions will amount to no entertainment and no ratings (and thus little impact on the spot), and any lasting impact will be based on the sound bytes that the other side can exploit and put in their ads.
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The candidates will still be able to engage in back-and-forth. They just won't be able to do what Trump did in 2020 which, judging by the post-debate polls, viewers found very aggravating.
The audience cheering is just disruptive to no benefit for the audience. I doubt anyone will miss that.
I think this debate might actually matter more than previous election cycles.
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
I'm curious about how large the audience will be given the fact that it is so much earlier than any other presidential debate, and it's happening in summer when the days are long, school is out and people are busy with other things. Also, every previous presidential debate has been carried simultaneously on all networks, so this one is not any different in that regard. The only difference is that this debate is being administered by a single media outlet (CNN), not by a bipartisan commission.
I do think the fact that it will be in a TV studio without an audience will make it a lot more watchable.
Most Americans plan to watch the Biden-Trump debate, and many see high stakes, an AP-NORC poll finds
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A new AP-NORC poll finds that most U.S. adults plan to watch or listen to some element of Thursday’s presidential debate. And many think the stakes are high for both President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.
Both men remain broadly unpopular as they prepare to face off for the first time since 2020, although Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, maintains a modest enthusiasm advantage with his base compared to Biden, the Democratic incumbent.
About 6 in 10 U.S. adults say they are “extremely” or “very” likely to watch the debate live or in clips, or read about or listen to commentary about the performance of the candidates in the news or social media.
The poll suggests tens of millions of Americans are likely to see or hear about at least part of Thursday’s debate despite how unusually early it comes in the campaign season. Both Biden and Trump supporters view the debate as a major test for their candidate — or just a spectacle not to miss.
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“I think it’s super important,” said Victoria Perdomo, a 44-year-old stay-at-home mom and a Trump supporter in Coral Springs, Florida. “It shows America what you’re going to see for the next four years.”
Nic Greene, a libertarian who is a registered independent, said he’ll likely vote for Trump as the “least worst candidate.” He doesn’t think debates do much to help voters make decisions, but he’s expecting to be entertained and plans to listen to post-debate analysis on podcasts.
“I think the majority of people have their minds made up with or without these debates,” he said. “It’s a circus.”
Both sides see the debate as important
About half, 47%, of Americans say the debate is “extremely” or “very” important for the success of Biden’s campaign and about 4 in 10 say it’s highly important for Trump’s campaign. About 3 in 10 Americans say it is at least “very” important for both campaigns.
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Most Democrats, 55%, think the upcoming debate is extremely or very important for the success of the Biden campaign. About half of Republicans, 51%, say the same thing about the importance of the debate for the Trump campaign. Only about one-third of independents say the debate, taking place at a CNN studio in Atlanta, is highly important for either campaign.
Arthur Morris, a 40-year-old operations manager at a major financial firm, is an undecided voter open to Biden, Trump or a third-party option such as independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. He, along with a significant share of Americans, has doubts about the mental capabilities of the aging candidates, and sees Biden’s debate performance as an important test.
“I need Biden to demonstrate to me that he’s cogent enough to be able to hold this office and execute to the level that we need him to,” Morris said.
Trump, meanwhile, needs to show he can be trusted after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol in which Trump supporters disrupted the certification of his 2020 loss to Biden and Trump’s recent conviction in a hush money scheme, said Morris, of Lewiston, Ohio.
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About 4 in 10 say they are likely to watch or listen to some or all of the debate live, while a similar share say they will watch or listen to clips later. Another 4 in 10, roughly, expect to consume commentary about the debate and candidate performance in the news or on social media. Republicans and Democrats are more likely than independents to be following debate coverage in some capacity.
Voters are still unhappy about their options
Biden and Trump are each entering the debate with low favorability ratings. About 6 in 10 U.S. adults say they have a very or somewhat unfavorable view of Biden, and a similar number have a negative view of Trump.
Most Americans, 56%, say they are “very” or “somewhat” dissatisfied with Biden being the Democratic Party’s likely nominee for president, and a similar majority are dissatisfied with Trump as the likely GOP nominee. The poll indicates that Republicans continue to be more satisfied with a re-nomination of Trump than Democrats are with an anticipated Biden re-nomination. Six in 10 Republicans are satisfied with Trump as a nominee; just 42% of Democrats say that about Biden.
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About 3 in 10 U.S. adults are dissatisfied with both Trump and Biden as their party’s likely nominees – with independents and Democrats being more likely than Republicans to be dissatisfied with both.
Republicans and Democrats are more likely to have a negative view of the opposing party’s candidate than they are to have a positive view of their own.
About 9 in 10 Republicans have an unfavorable view of Biden, and about 9 in 10 Democrats have a negative view of Trump. By comparison, roughly 7 in 10 Democrats have a favorable view of Biden, and about 7 in 10 Republicans have a positive view of Trump.
About 4 in 10 U.S. adults approve of how Biden is handling his job as president, in line with where that number has stood for the past two years. Biden’s approval rating among U.S. adults on handling the economy is similar, as is his handling of abortion policy. Only 3 in 10 approve of his approach to immigration.
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“I do believe there has been some progress under Biden, but I believe it’s Congress who is the one stalling on any of the policies that Biden wants to proceed with,” said Jane Quan-Bell, 70, a school librarian from Chico, California, and a Democrat.
The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating. Nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach.
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The poll of 1,088 adults was conducted June 20-24, 2024, using a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.
I'm a liberal and will continue to vote for the democratic candidate, but I wish so badly the Dems had a better candidate than Biden. My worry is he'll start to have moments like Foghorn Leghorn McConnell, where he turns into a statue. I realize Trump is old as well, but he at least displays affect. I hope Biden shows a good amount of fight tonight.
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I'm a liberal and will continue to vote for the democratic candidate, but I wish so badly the Dems had a better candidate than Biden. My worry is he'll start to have moments like Foghorn Leghorn McConnell, where he turns into a statue. I realize Trump is old as well, but he at least displays affect. I hope Biden shows a good amount of fight tonight.
"Displays affect"? What does that mean? Almost every time Trump speaks, he spouts total nonsense. He rambles incoherently, contradicts himself, slurs words, forgets and confuses names, and somehow it's Biden that people are worried can't put two sentences together or is somehow cognitively impaired. Biden has a stammer, and he's less than comfortable reading from a Teleprompter, but neither of those things indicates any cognitive impairment. Trump is less coherent than the guy at the end of the bar ten minutes before closing time, and he's stone-cold sober. The double-standard is so bizarre.
Biden has been repeatedly underestimated. He was underestimated by people in the Obama administration, who were prepared to pass the torch to Hillary Clinton even before Beau Biden's death took his father out of the mix in 2016. He was underestimated by the Democratic power brokers in 2020 when Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris were having their brief moments of ascendancy during the primaries-- in part because a lot of people foolishly believed that Twitter was a representative sample of the Democratic base when, in fact, it was the black church ladies in South Carolina who were much more representative of the Democratic electorate, and they delivered South Carolina to Joe and got the snowball (Joe-ball?) rolling downhill to the nomination. Now people are underestimating him again. Biden handled Trump very well in the debates in 2020, and people forget that Trump backed out of the second scheduled debate. Anyway, this is far from Biden's first rodeo. The only thing that really concerns me is that so many people in the media are lazy and biased towards the horse race and the bullshit, and they'll take some inconsequential gaffe and try to turn it into a big deal. Trump could literally give an answer that makes it sound like he's having a stroke, or say that he wants to bomb the EU, and no one will care. But if Biden accidentally calls Narendra Modi Narendra Morsi, it'll be presented as if it's clear evidence of his senility.
I'm a liberal and will continue to vote for the democratic candidate, but I wish so badly the Dems had a better candidate than Biden. My worry is he'll start to have moments like Foghorn Leghorn McConnell, where he turns into a statue. I realize Trump is old as well, but he at least displays affect. I hope Biden shows a good amount of fight tonight.
"Displays affect"? What does that mean? Almost every time Trump speaks, he spouts total nonsense. He rambles incoherently, contradicts himself, slurs words, forgets and confuses names, and somehow it's Biden that people are worried can't put two sentences together or is somehow cognitively impaired. Biden has a stammer, and he's less than comfortable reading from a Teleprompter, but neither of those things indicates any cognitive impairment. Trump is less coherent than the guy at the end of the bar ten minutes before closing time, and he's stone-cold sober. The double-standard is so bizarre.
Biden has been repeatedly underestimated. He was underestimated by people in the Obama administration, who were prepared to pass the torch to Hillary Clinton even before Beau Biden's death took his father out of the mix in 2016. He was underestimated by the Democratic power brokers in 2020 when Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris were having their brief moments of ascendancy during the primaries-- in part because a lot of people foolishly believed that Twitter was a representative sample of the Democratic base when, in fact, it was the black church ladies in South Carolina who were much more representative of the Democratic electorate, and they delivered South Carolina to Joe and got the snowball (Joe-ball?) rolling downhill to the nomination. Now people are underestimating him again. Biden handled Trump very well in the debates in 2020, and people forget that Trump backed out of the second scheduled debate. Anyway, this is far from Biden's first rodeo. The only thing that really concerns me is that so many people in the media are lazy and biased towards the horse race and the bullshit, and they'll take some inconsequential gaffe and try to turn it into a big deal. Trump could literally give an answer that makes it sound like he's having a stroke, or say that he wants to bomb the EU, and no one will care. But if Biden accidentally calls Narendra Modi Narendra Morsi, it'll be presented as if it's clear evidence of his senility.
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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I despise Trump with a passion, but what is more frustrating to me is the agenda that is on tap by the ultra conservative wackos who will be in positions of power if he is elected, again.
I've never been a huge fan of Joe Biden, but the guy at least cares and is willing to work across the aisle to make legislation happen. Trump and his sycophants seem to only be interested in sticking it to those who don't support them. The fact that an entire state can require the ten commandments be posted in all public schools and state colleges is unbelievable in the 21st century, but here we are. I guess what more should I expect from the party of thoughts and prayers. Say less, do more.
Honestly the hardcore magats don't give two shits about the GOP agenda. Most of them likely oppose abortion restriction, etc.
They just want to beat the libtards. That's it. They don't care about the amount of debt that tRump will or has added, they don't care that he personally benefits from selling hotel rooms to the secret service. They just want their team to win.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Since it will be simulcast on a bunch of networks, the total audience will be massive and for a lot of voters it will be the first time seeing and hearing Trump's voice in years.
There are undecided voters out there...not many but there are. The election is primarily about those people.
I still have a hard time understanding someone being able to vote for trump....but I see why people would want to not vote for Biden. I will be voting for Biden, my 3rd presidential vote that I will absolutely hate making but feel there is no choice.
But I have has numerous conversations with people that I thought would never vote for Trump where they are talking about not being able to vote for Biden so may vote for Trump or not vote. I have been surprised a number of times with that comment.
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Then there are some people who just want conservative economic policies like low taxes and limited regulation of business, and they're willing to look the other way at the social policies of the right as long as it doesn't directly affect them.
I do think the fact that it will be in a TV studio without an audience will make it a lot more watchable.
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The audience cheering is just disruptive to no benefit for the audience. I doubt anyone will miss that.
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Most Americans plan to watch the Biden-Trump debate, and many see high stakes, an AP-NORC poll finds
A new AP-NORC poll finds that most U.S. adults plan to watch or listen to some element of Thursday’s presidential debate. And many think the stakes are high for both President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Most U.S. adults plan to watch some element of Thursday’s presidential debate and many think the event will be important for the campaigns of both President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.
Both men remain broadly unpopular as they prepare to face off for the first time since 2020, although Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, maintains a modest enthusiasm advantage with his base compared to Biden, the Democratic incumbent.
About 6 in 10 U.S. adults say they are “extremely” or “very” likely to watch the debate live or in clips, or read about or listen to commentary about the performance of the candidates in the news or social media.
The poll suggests tens of millions of Americans are likely to see or hear about at least part of Thursday’s debate despite how unusually early it comes in the campaign season. Both Biden and Trump supporters view the debate as a major test for their candidate — or just a spectacle not to miss.
“I think it’s super important,” said Victoria Perdomo, a 44-year-old stay-at-home mom and a Trump supporter in Coral Springs, Florida. “It shows America what you’re going to see for the next four years.”
Nic Greene, a libertarian who is a registered independent, said he’ll likely vote for Trump as the “least worst candidate.” He doesn’t think debates do much to help voters make decisions, but he’s expecting to be entertained and plans to listen to post-debate analysis on podcasts.
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“I think the majority of people have their minds made up with or without these debates,” he said. “It’s a circus.”
Both sides see the debate as important
About half, 47%, of Americans say the debate is “extremely” or “very” important for the success of Biden’s campaign and about 4 in 10 say it’s highly important for Trump’s campaign. About 3 in 10 Americans say it is at least “very” important for both campaigns.
Most Democrats, 55%, think the upcoming debate is extremely or very important for the success of the Biden campaign. About half of Republicans, 51%, say the same thing about the importance of the debate for the Trump campaign. Only about one-third of independents say the debate, taking place at a CNN studio in Atlanta, is highly important for either campaign.
Arthur Morris, a 40-year-old operations manager at a major financial firm, is an undecided voter open to Biden, Trump or a third-party option such as independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. He, along with a significant share of Americans, has doubts about the mental capabilities of the aging candidates, and sees Biden’s debate performance as an important test.
“I need Biden to demonstrate to me that he’s cogent enough to be able to hold this office and execute to the level that we need him to,” Morris said.
Trump, meanwhile, needs to show he can be trusted after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol in which Trump supporters disrupted the certification of his 2020 loss to Biden and Trump’s recent conviction in a hush money scheme, said Morris, of Lewiston, Ohio.
About 4 in 10 say they are likely to watch or listen to some or all of the debate live, while a similar share say they will watch or listen to clips later. Another 4 in 10, roughly, expect to consume commentary about the debate and candidate performance in the news or on social media. Republicans and Democrats are more likely than independents to be following debate coverage in some capacity.
Voters are still unhappy about their options
Biden and Trump are each entering the debate with low favorability ratings. About 6 in 10 U.S. adults say they have a very or somewhat unfavorable view of Biden, and a similar number have a negative view of Trump.
Most Americans, 56%, say they are “very” or “somewhat” dissatisfied with Biden being the Democratic Party’s likely nominee for president, and a similar majority are dissatisfied with Trump as the likely GOP nominee. The poll indicates that Republicans continue to be more satisfied with a re-nomination of Trump than Democrats are with an anticipated Biden re-nomination. Six in 10 Republicans are satisfied with Trump as a nominee; just 42% of Democrats say that about Biden.
About 3 in 10 U.S. adults are dissatisfied with both Trump and Biden as their party’s likely nominees – with independents and Democrats being more likely than Republicans to be dissatisfied with both.
Republicans and Democrats are more likely to have a negative view of the opposing party’s candidate than they are to have a positive view of their own.
About 9 in 10 Republicans have an unfavorable view of Biden, and about 9 in 10 Democrats have a negative view of Trump. By comparison, roughly 7 in 10 Democrats have a favorable view of Biden, and about 7 in 10 Republicans have a positive view of Trump.
About 4 in 10 U.S. adults approve of how Biden is handling his job as president, in line with where that number has stood for the past two years. Biden’s approval rating among U.S. adults on handling the economy is similar, as is his handling of abortion policy. Only 3 in 10 approve of his approach to immigration.
“I do believe there has been some progress under Biden, but I believe it’s Congress who is the one stalling on any of the policies that Biden wants to proceed with,” said Jane Quan-Bell, 70, a school librarian from Chico, California, and a Democrat.
The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is an especially vulnerable spot for Biden. With only 26% of U.S. adults approving of his handling of the issue, it’s well below his overall approval rating. Nearly 6 in 10 Democrats disapprove of his approach.
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The poll of 1,088 adults was conducted June 20-24, 2024, using a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.
Winner= Both ?(Depends on which side you prefer ?)
Losers=American citizens?(Man, I HOPE not)
Biden has been repeatedly underestimated. He was underestimated by people in the Obama administration, who were prepared to pass the torch to Hillary Clinton even before Beau Biden's death took his father out of the mix in 2016. He was underestimated by the Democratic power brokers in 2020 when Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris were having their brief moments of ascendancy during the primaries-- in part because a lot of people foolishly believed that Twitter was a representative sample of the Democratic base when, in fact, it was the black church ladies in South Carolina who were much more representative of the Democratic electorate, and they delivered South Carolina to Joe and got the snowball (Joe-ball?) rolling downhill to the nomination. Now people are underestimating him again. Biden handled Trump very well in the debates in 2020, and people forget that Trump backed out of the second scheduled debate. Anyway, this is far from Biden's first rodeo. The only thing that really concerns me is that so many people in the media are lazy and biased towards the horse race and the bullshit, and they'll take some inconsequential gaffe and try to turn it into a big deal. Trump could literally give an answer that makes it sound like he's having a stroke, or say that he wants to bomb the EU, and no one will care. But if Biden accidentally calls Narendra Modi Narendra Morsi, it'll be presented as if it's clear evidence of his senility.
agree with this top to bottom.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Trump just continuing with his blowhard nonsense.
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