he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Not much I can do.
Every time something like this happens, he's going to become more and popular. His presidency is going to be 100% about revenge. And all the "America loving" JD Vances in power will join him.
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Charlie Kirk is a major toolbag, but is he right? About shit like this making Trump more popular and powerful? Trump's a career criminal but it's only recent that he's been under legal scrutiny. I'd guess more than just MAGA sees this as "weaponizing the judicial system."
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he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Let's stop the crazy talk. None of that is happening.
Cmon you’ve read my comments all these years mate to realize I looooove the hyperbole.
for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Let's stop the crazy talk. None of that is happening.
Cmon you’ve read my comments all these years mate to realize I looooove the hyperbole.
for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
Let’s not forget how old he is. I’d be more concerned if he was in his 50s
he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Let's stop the crazy talk. None of that is happening.
Cmon you’ve read my comments all these years mate to realize I looooove the hyperbole.
for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
Let’s not forget how old he is. I’d be more concerned if he was in his 50s
Yea but November is very close and as he claims “Biden can’t put two sentences together.” The majority of Americans will probably believe that. An authoritarian leader can move very swiftly.
he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Let's stop the crazy talk. None of that is happening.
Cmon you’ve read my comments all these years mate to realize I looooove the hyperbole.
for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
Let’s not forget how old he is. I’d be more concerned if he was in his 50s
If he makes it to inauguration (and probably even if he doesn't), it probably won't matter. While he's the MAGA hero, the real lifeblood of MAGA is the constant outrage being fed to them (you know, the "free thinkers") for the profit of a few. That's not going away.
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he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Let's stop the crazy talk. None of that is happening.
Cmon you’ve read my comments all these years mate to realize I looooove the hyperbole.
for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
Let’s not forget how old he is. I’d be more concerned if he was in his 50s
But its not just POOTWH, its his evangelical, white supremacist, cult followers that believe in this. This is the mistake everyone is making, thinking that when POOTWH is jailed or dies, or is a blathering idiot drooling on himself in the master suite at Mar-I-Lieo (he's already this), that this "movement" or "cause" goes away. It doesn't. POOTWH has been unleashed and many of the things he believes and stands for has become dogma for more than 70M 'Muricans and their like-minded non-voters. Then there's Donny, Jr., the Dim One and waiting in the wings like Damian, Barron. They'll follow the Murdick game plan of seeking revenge upon the society that ruined the patriarch and shamed the family name so.
Now, the victims. First the Dim One. A pyramid scheme, you don't say?
Eric Trump
Eric Trump joined the Trump Organization right after college in 2006. TT 3285. From the time
he became an executive vice president in 2014, until Donald Trump assumed the presidency in
January 2017, the hierarchy of the Trump Organization was like a pyramid, with Donald Trump
at the top. TT 3286. During this period, Eric Trump reported directly to his father. TT 3287.
In early 2016, at the request of “one of the three children” 17 (referring to Donald Trump’s three
adult children), Patrick Birney created and distributed to Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, and Donald
Trump, Jr. a “Trump Organization Operating Financial Summary 2015” to keep them informed
of the performance of the business. PX 1293; TT 1181-1186. Allen Weisselberg affirmed that
he was directed to advise Eric, Ivanka, and Trump, Jr. of the performance of the business “as Mr.
Trump had now become president,” “[t]hey wanted to be knowledgeable about the running of the
business… [s]o [in] 2016, he was in the process of running for president and they wanted to get
up to speed on how the business was operating.” TT 1185-1186.
Beginning in January 2017, Eric Trump, Trump, Jr. and Weisselberg ran the day-to-day
operations of the Trump Organization. TT 3288. Eric Trump confirmed that beginning in
January 2017, he did not report to anyone, although he confirmed that post-presidency, he
resumed following his father’s directives. TT 3289.
Eric Trump became involved in the Seven Springs project in 2012. TT 3289-3290. He testified
that “I never had anything to do with the Statement of Financial Condition.” TT 3292.
However, McConney’s supporting spreadsheets from 2012-2014 indicate that he relied on Eric
Trump for the valuations of Seven Springs, which were inflated to $161 million for the
undeveloped seven mansions, far more than the $21 million appraised value, of which Eric
Trump was aware. PX 793, 708, 719.
Eric Trump’s credibility was severely damaged when he repeatedly denied knowing that his
father ever even compiled an SFC that valued his assets and showed his net worth “until this case
came into fruition.” Upon being confronted with copious documentary evidence conclusively
demonstrating otherwise, he finally conceded that, at least as early as August 20, 2013, he knew
about his father’s SFCs (begrudgingly acknowledging: “It appears that way, yes”). TT 3292-
3294, 3300-3304, 3307-3316, 3319-3336; PX 1071, 1079, 1112, 1113, 1075, 3333, 1091, 1265,
3332.
Moreover, emails indicate that contrary to Eric Trump’s testimony, McConney relied on Eric
Trump for the $161 million valuation of the undeveloped seven-mansion plot at Seven Springs,
from 2012-2014. PX 1075. In particular, an August 20, 2013 email from Jeff McConney to Eric
Trump, with the subject “Seven Springs,” reads: “Hi Eric, I’m working on your Dads [sic]
annual financial statement. I need to value Seven Springs. Attached please find how we valued
it last year. Can you let me know when you have time to talk about this year’s valuation?
Thanks Jeff.” PX 1075.
When the documentary evidence against him became overwhelming, Eric Trump reversed his
previous testimony:
Q. It is correct that when you received this e-mail in August of
2013, you understood that your father had an annual financial statement and you understood that Mr. McConney
was asking you for information specifically to assist him in
working on the notes to the annual financial statement; isn’t
that correct?
A. Yes.
Although Eric Trump advised McConney in August 2013 to continue to use the $161 million
value for the proposed seven-mansion development at Seven Springs, emails demonstrate that
Eric Trump was aware of a valuation by a professional appraiser, engaged by the Trump
Organization, who valued the hypothetical development at approximately $5.5 million. PX 908,
3296; TT 3342-3349.
By September 8, 2014, a mere four days before Eric Trump advised McConney to continue using
$161 million as the value for the seven-mansion development in the 2014 SFC, David McArdle
of Cushman & Wakefield had completed an appraisal for the property and delivered a verbal
estimate to Eric Trump of $14 million. PX 169, 181, 3331; TT 3349-3354.
Eric Trump’s testimony that he had very limited involvement in the appraisal work that McArdle
performed on Seven Springs and Briarcliff was shown to be false when he was confronted with
the ample contemporaneous documentary evidence demonstrating otherwise. PX 133, 1074,
3206, 3327, 3207, 3189, 3190, 3328, 3195, 3196, 3204, 3202, 3201; TT 3360-3364, 3367-3381,
3383-3385, 3427-3432.
He unconvincingly tried to distance himself from this evidence,
asserting that he was not focused on it because, “I am a construction guy.” TT 3385.
Despite retaining McArdle in August 2013 to value the proposed 71-units at Briarcliff, and
receiving a professional appraised value of $45 million, Eric Trump directed McConney to value
the proposed units at over $101 million in the 2014-2018 SFCs. PX 719, 742, 758, 843; TT
3378-3379.
In 2020, Eric Trump, as attorney-in-fact for his father, signed three certifications based on the
SFCs and sent to Deutsche Bank to satisfy obligations for the Trump Chicago, Doral, and Old
Post Office loans. PX 518. TT 3434-3438. In 2021, again as attorney-in-fact for his father, Eric
Trump signed two certifications based on that year’s SFC, and sent them to Deutsche Bank to
satisfy obligations under the Doral and Old Post Office loans. PX 517; TT 3438-3442.
When questioned about his knowledge and involvement in valuing Mar-a-Lago, Eric Trump
adamantly maintained that it was appropriate to value Mar-a-Lago as a private residence, even
though it was being taxed as a commercial club and the deed prohibited, in perpetuity, use of it
as anything other than a social club. TT 3445-3451; PX 1013.
When confronted with Patrick Birney’s testimony that Eric Trump and Trump, Jr. participated in
a video conference call in fall 2021 to discuss the preparation of the 2021 SFC, Eric Trump
acknowledged that he would have “no reason to doubt Pat.” TT 3385-3391.
Eric Trump, on behalf of the Trump Organization, signed Allen Weisselberg’s separation
agreement, in which, in exchange for $2 million in installment payments, Allen Weisselberg
agreed, inter alia, not to disparage or criticize the Trump Organization or its current or former
employees, and not to cooperate voluntarily with law enforcement or anyone with adverse legal
claims to the Trump Organization unless compelled to by a court. PX 1751; TT 3451-3457.
Eric Trump took responsibility for negotiating the terms of the separation agreement. TT 3457.
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I highly recommend reading the judge’s decision. It’s highly informative, easy to read, gives you insight into the law and how business and real estate is supposed to work and puts a lot of the reporting and spin to bed. Don’t believe what you hear on the news and what the pundits are saying, read it for yourself. And it’s only 95 pages.
he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
Pearl Jam never plays Krakow and Berlin again, and Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, ever.
He wins and Pearl Jam, me you and most on AMT probably end up in work camps.
He literally said tonight “if we lose the appeal, NYS is gone.”
i watched the video. he said if they lose appeal "new york state is gone" because new yorkers will leave because he lost. he is making it about him. like everyone that supports him will leave new york state. as if it is as easy as going to a warp zone in super mario bros and warping someplace else. please stop falling for his bs.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Let's stop the crazy talk. None of that is happening.
Cmon you’ve read my comments all these years mate to realize I looooove the hyperbole.
for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
Let’s not forget how old he is. I’d be more concerned if he was in his 50s
If he makes it to inauguration (and probably even if he doesn't), it probably won't matter. While he's the MAGA hero, the real lifeblood of MAGA is the constant outrage being fed to them (you know, the "free thinkers") for the profit of a few. That's not going away.
has anybody else noticed that the "free thinkers" have to constantly be spoonfed what to be angry about this week? no free thinking about it. they just turn on fox and immediately know what they are supposed to hate on monday evening.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Donald Trump, Jr. started his employment at the Trump Organization in 2001. TT 3160, 3976.
Early in his tenure, he worked as a project manager at Trump Park Avenue, where he did a
“[l]ittle bit of everything; design, construction, overseeing some of the banking relationships we
had, anything and everything.” TT 3161-3162. Trump, Jr. affirmed that, at the time, he knew
about the impact of rent stabilization laws on development at Trump Park Avenue, and he was
aware of the limitations imposed by that law. TT 3162. Trump, Jr. also served as project
manager for Trump Chicago, working on “everything from design, architecture, sales and
marketing, finance, construction… [y]ou name it.” TT 3162-3163.
Since at least 2011, Trump, Jr. has served as an executive vice-president of the Trump
Organization, reporting to his father, until Donald Trump assumed the presidency in January
2017. TT 3164, 3167. After that, Trump, Jr. and Eric Trump served as co-chief executive
officers of the Trump Organization and, collectively, with Allen Weisselberg, had “ultimate
authority over decisions made at the Trump Organization.” TT 3164-3170. TT 3286-3288. In
addition to their role as co-CEOs of the Trump Organization, beginning in January 2017, Trump,
Jr. and Eric Trump were also presidents, directors, executive vice presidents, and/or chairmen of
various Trump Organization entities. PX 1329 at 13-25.
Also in January 2017, Trump, Jr. and Weisselberg became trustees of the Donald J. Trump
Revocable Trust, which Trump, Jr. understood to be “the trust that governed all of my father’s
assets[,] especially while he was president.” TT 3170, 3179, PX 769. When examined about his
knowledge of Allen Weisselberg’s departure from the Trump Organization, Trump, Jr. testified
that Weisselberg was terminated from his role as trustee because of his criminal indictment, but
that he was not terminated from his employment at the helm of the Trump Organization for that
reason. TT 3170-3172. Trump, Jr. then testified that he does not know the details of how or
why Weisselberg ended his employment relationship with the Trump Organization, which this
Court finds entirely unbelievable. TT 3172-3173.
On January 20, 2021, Donald Trump re-appointed himself as a trustee of the Donald J. Trump
Revocable Trust and removed Trump, Jr., while leaving Weisselberg as a “business trustee.” PX
1016; TT 3185-3186. After Weisselberg was terminated from his role as trustee in June of 2021,
Trump, Jr. was re-appointed trustee on July 7, 2021. Apparently,
16 Trump, Jr. remains the sole
trustee of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust. TT 3181-3185, 3190-3191; PX 1015, 1016.
In early 2016, at the request of “one of the three children” (referring to Donald Trump’s three
adult children), Patrick Birney created and distributed to Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, and Trump,
Jr. a “Trump Organization Operating Financial Summary 2015” to keep them informed of the
performance of the business, in anticipation of taking over. PX 1293; TT 1181-1186. Trump, Jr.
and Eric Trump were continuously kept apprised of the operating financials by Weisselberg. TT
3270-3273; PX 1454.
In January 2017, Trump, Jr., along with Eric Trump, took over responsibility for running the
Trump Organization. TT 3982-3983.
In March 2017, Trump, Jr. and Eric Trump were given power of attorney over certain of their
father’s real estate and banking relationships. PX 1330; TT 3174-3177. The power of attorney
explicitly states “[t]he authority granted hereunder is solely with respect to the execution and
delivery of certifications and similar documentation (including, without limitation, compliance
certificates) in connection with existing financings in which Donald J. Trump is guarantor.” PX
1330; TT 3177-3178, 3433-3434.
Trump, Jr. stated that his father had no role in decision-making at the Trump Organization
between January 20, 2017 and January 20, 2021, but that he resumed “some” decision-making
after January 20, 2021, choosing certain activities in which to get involved. TT 3173-3174,
3984.
From January 2017 through 2021, Trump, Jr. and Weisselberg, as trustees of the Donald J.
Trump Revocable Trust, were responsible for the preparation and fair presentation of the SFCs.
See, e.g., PX 756; TT 961-963. Trump, Jr. acknowledged that as a trustee, he was subject to
fiduciary responsibilities.
In his capacity as trustee, Trump, Jr. certified that he was “responsible for the accompanying
statement of financial condition … and the related notes to the financial statement in accordance
with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America.” See, e.g., PX
756. He did this every year from 2017 to 2021 despite having no knowledge of the requirements
of GAAP, never having been employed in a position that required him to apply GAAP, and
never having received any training on applying GAAP. TT 3155-3156. In his capacity as
trustee, Trump, Jr. also certified that the values of assets contained in the SFCs were “estimated
current values.” See, e.g., PX 756.
On March 3, 2017, Alan Garten, chief legal officer for the Trump Organization, forwarded
Trump, Jr. an email from Forbes that, inter alia, questioned the claimed size of Donald Trump’s
Trump Tower Triplex and cited that property records indicated it was only 10,996 square feet.
PX 1344. Trump, Jr. acknowledged receiving the email, and he responded that same day with:
“Insane amount of stuff there.” PX 1344. Notwithstanding, four days later, on March 10, 2017,
Trump, Jr., along with Weisselberg, signed a Management Representation Letter to Mazars in
which they represented the value of the Triplex based on the false assumption that it was 30,000
square feet. PX 741; TT 3231-3234. Trump, Jr. testified that he could not recall if he did any
fact checking or “anything” in response to the Forbes inquiry, despite specifically affirming the
following representations in the Management Representation Letter:
(2) We have made available to you all financial records and related
data, and any additional information you requested from us for
the purpose of the compilation. We have not knowingly
withheld from you any financial records or related data that in
our judgment would be relevant to your compilation.
(4) We acknowledge and have fulfilled our responsibility for
designing, implementing, and maintaining internal control
relevant to the preparation and fair presentation of the personal
financial statement that is free from material misstatement,
whether due to fraud or error.
(5) We acknowledge our responsibility for designing, implementing,
and maintaining internal control to prevent and detect fraud.
(6) We have no knowledge of any allegations of fraud, or suspected
fraud, affecting us that could have a material effect on the
personal financial statement.
PX 741; TT 3231-3234. When asked on whom he relied to assure himself that making the
representations in the Management Representation Letter was appropriate, Trump, Jr. testified: “I
don’t recall who I relied on.” TT 3236. Yet, when he signed the certifications, Trump, Jr.
“intended for the bank to rely upon [them].” TT 3241, 3250.
Trump, Jr. signed certifications verifying the accuracy of the SFCs submitted to Deutsche Bank
in 2017, 2018 and 2019. See, e.g., PX 1386, 393; TT 3238-3239. While disclaiming
responsibility for the SFCs contents, Trump, Jr. testified that he “would have sat with the
relevant parties,” which he identified as Weisselberg, McConney, and Bender, to discuss the
SFCs. TT 3238-3241.
Trump, Jr. also certified to Mazars that there were no significant changes in Donald Trump’s net
worth in 2017 and 2018, upon which Mazars relied in issuing the No MAC letters to NYC Parks
to fulfill Donald Trump’s obligations under the Ferry Point contract. PX 3280, 3285. In 2023,
Trump, Jr. approved the sale and assignment of the Ferry Point contract to Bally’s for $60
million, with an additional $115 million to be paid to the Trump Organization should Bally’s
obtain a gaming license for the site. PX 3304, 3305, 3306; TT 3261-3268.
Despite disclaiming responsibility for or knowledge of the SFCs contents, Trump, Jr. still
insisted that the SFCs were “materially accurate.” TT 3275-3276.
Trump, Jr. mistakenly testified that Mark Hawthorn is the current chief financial officer (“CFO”)
of the Trump Organization, claiming that he replaced Allen Weisselberg. TT 3282-3283, 3987.
However, the CFO position has remained unfilled since Allen Weisselberg departed the Trump
Organization. TT 5245-5248.
Footnote #16 (Footnotes have the real deal):
16 When asked if he was aware if his father, Donald Trump, is serving as a current trustee of the Donald J.
Trump Revocable Trust, Trump, Jr. testified “I don’t recall.” TT 3191.
he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Let's stop the crazy talk. None of that is happening.
Cmon you’ve read my comments all these years mate to realize I looooove the hyperbole.
for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
Let’s not forget how old he is. I’d be more concerned if he was in his 50s
But its not just POOTWH, its his evangelical, white supremacist, cult followers that believe in this. This is the mistake everyone is making, thinking that when POOTWH is jailed or dies, or is a blathering idiot drooling on himself in the master suite at Mar-I-Lieo (he's already this), that this "movement" or "cause" goes away. It doesn't. POOTWH has been unleashed and many of the things he believes and stands for has become dogma for more than 70M 'Muricans and their like-minded non-voters. Then there's Donny, Jr., the Dim One and waiting in the wings like Damian, Barron. They'll follow the Murdick game plan of seeking revenge upon the society that ruined the patriarch and shamed the family name so.
Keep your passport valid and handy.
Mine is ready to go and I contacted the Chilean to get my dual citizenship process started!
he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
Pearl Jam never plays Krakow and Berlin again, and Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, ever.
He wins and Pearl Jam, me you and most on AMT probably end up in work camps.
He literally said tonight “if we lose the appeal, NYS is gone.”
i watched the video. he said if they lose appeal "new york state is gone" because new yorkers will leave because he lost. he is making it about him. like everyone that supports him will leave new york state. as if it is as easy as going to a warp zone in super mario bros and warping someplace else. please stop falling for his bs.
I agree that is the context but saying “NY is gone” is his typical hyperbolic way of speaking, but not in a comedic sense, but in a dark and violent manner. I was knowingly taking the quote out of context.
he wins the election, then what? Engoron and Cohen winds up like Navalny and trump seizes control of Fort Knox and the fed bank in NY?
That is the likely future.
you stopping him if he wins?
Let's stop the crazy talk. None of that is happening.
Cmon you’ve read my comments all these years mate to realize I looooove the hyperbole.
for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
Let’s not forget how old he is. I’d be more concerned if he was in his 50s
If he makes it to inauguration (and probably even if he doesn't), it probably won't matter. While he's the MAGA hero, the real lifeblood of MAGA is the constant outrage being fed to them (you know, the "free thinkers") for the profit of a few. That's not going away.
There is no heir apparent. There is no one else that can do what he is doing.
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but he ain't gonna win.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Every time something like this happens, he's going to become more and popular. His presidency is going to be 100% about revenge. And all the "America loving" JD Vances in power will join him.
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Charlie Kirk is a major toolbag, but is he right? About shit like this making Trump more popular and powerful? Trump's a career criminal but it's only recent that he's been under legal scrutiny. I'd guess more than just MAGA sees this as "weaponizing the judicial system."
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for real, IDK what happens if he wins. All I can say is no nations government is permanent, he made a real attempt to overthrow an election including having innocents killed that day, and he got nearly 45% of the country (and counting) to think that it’s no big deal…
and Biden is looking weaker than ever now, in the polls and on camera.
He literally said tonight “if we lose the appeal, NYS is gone.”
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Eric Trump
Eric Trump joined the Trump Organization right after college in 2006. TT 3285. From the time he became an executive vice president in 2014, until Donald Trump assumed the presidency in January 2017, the hierarchy of the Trump Organization was like a pyramid, with Donald Trump at the top. TT 3286. During this period, Eric Trump reported directly to his father. TT 3287.
In early 2016, at the request of “one of the three children” 17 (referring to Donald Trump’s three adult children), Patrick Birney created and distributed to Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, and Donald Trump, Jr. a “Trump Organization Operating Financial Summary 2015” to keep them informed of the performance of the business. PX 1293; TT 1181-1186. Allen Weisselberg affirmed that he was directed to advise Eric, Ivanka, and Trump, Jr. of the performance of the business “as Mr. Trump had now become president,” “[t]hey wanted to be knowledgeable about the running of the business… [s]o [in] 2016, he was in the process of running for president and they wanted to get up to speed on how the business was operating.” TT 1185-1186.
Beginning in January 2017, Eric Trump, Trump, Jr. and Weisselberg ran the day-to-day operations of the Trump Organization. TT 3288. Eric Trump confirmed that beginning in January 2017, he did not report to anyone, although he confirmed that post-presidency, he resumed following his father’s directives. TT 3289.
Eric Trump became involved in the Seven Springs project in 2012. TT 3289-3290. He testified that “I never had anything to do with the Statement of Financial Condition.” TT 3292. However, McConney’s supporting spreadsheets from 2012-2014 indicate that he relied on Eric Trump for the valuations of Seven Springs, which were inflated to $161 million for the undeveloped seven mansions, far more than the $21 million appraised value, of which Eric Trump was aware. PX 793, 708, 719.
Eric Trump’s credibility was severely damaged when he repeatedly denied knowing that his father ever even compiled an SFC that valued his assets and showed his net worth “until this case came into fruition.” Upon being confronted with copious documentary evidence conclusively demonstrating otherwise, he finally conceded that, at least as early as August 20, 2013, he knew about his father’s SFCs (begrudgingly acknowledging: “It appears that way, yes”). TT 3292- 3294, 3300-3304, 3307-3316, 3319-3336; PX 1071, 1079, 1112, 1113, 1075, 3333, 1091, 1265, 3332.
Moreover, emails indicate that contrary to Eric Trump’s testimony, McConney relied on Eric Trump for the $161 million valuation of the undeveloped seven-mansion plot at Seven Springs, from 2012-2014. PX 1075. In particular, an August 20, 2013 email from Jeff McConney to Eric Trump, with the subject “Seven Springs,” reads: “Hi Eric, I’m working on your Dads [sic] annual financial statement. I need to value Seven Springs. Attached please find how we valued it last year. Can you let me know when you have time to talk about this year’s valuation? Thanks Jeff.” PX 1075. When the documentary evidence against him became overwhelming, Eric Trump reversed his previous testimony:
Q. It is correct that when you received this e-mail in August of 2013, you understood that your father had an annual financial statement and you understood that Mr. McConney was asking you for information specifically to assist him in working on the notes to the annual financial statement; isn’t that correct?
A. Yes.
Although Eric Trump advised McConney in August 2013 to continue to use the $161 million value for the proposed seven-mansion development at Seven Springs, emails demonstrate that Eric Trump was aware of a valuation by a professional appraiser, engaged by the Trump Organization, who valued the hypothetical development at approximately $5.5 million. PX 908, 3296; TT 3342-3349.
By September 8, 2014, a mere four days before Eric Trump advised McConney to continue using $161 million as the value for the seven-mansion development in the 2014 SFC, David McArdle of Cushman & Wakefield had completed an appraisal for the property and delivered a verbal estimate to Eric Trump of $14 million. PX 169, 181, 3331; TT 3349-3354. Eric Trump’s testimony that he had very limited involvement in the appraisal work that McArdle performed on Seven Springs and Briarcliff was shown to be false when he was confronted with the ample contemporaneous documentary evidence demonstrating otherwise. PX 133, 1074, 3206, 3327, 3207, 3189, 3190, 3328, 3195, 3196, 3204, 3202, 3201; TT 3360-3364, 3367-3381, 3383-3385, 3427-3432.
He unconvincingly tried to distance himself from this evidence, asserting that he was not focused on it because, “I am a construction guy.” TT 3385. Despite retaining McArdle in August 2013 to value the proposed 71-units at Briarcliff, and receiving a professional appraised value of $45 million, Eric Trump directed McConney to value the proposed units at over $101 million in the 2014-2018 SFCs. PX 719, 742, 758, 843; TT 3378-3379.
In 2020, Eric Trump, as attorney-in-fact for his father, signed three certifications based on the SFCs and sent to Deutsche Bank to satisfy obligations for the Trump Chicago, Doral, and Old Post Office loans. PX 518. TT 3434-3438. In 2021, again as attorney-in-fact for his father, Eric Trump signed two certifications based on that year’s SFC, and sent them to Deutsche Bank to satisfy obligations under the Doral and Old Post Office loans. PX 517; TT 3438-3442.
When questioned about his knowledge and involvement in valuing Mar-a-Lago, Eric Trump adamantly maintained that it was appropriate to value Mar-a-Lago as a private residence, even though it was being taxed as a commercial club and the deed prohibited, in perpetuity, use of it as anything other than a social club. TT 3445-3451; PX 1013.
When confronted with Patrick Birney’s testimony that Eric Trump and Trump, Jr. participated in a video conference call in fall 2021 to discuss the preparation of the 2021 SFC, Eric Trump acknowledged that he would have “no reason to doubt Pat.” TT 3385-3391.
Eric Trump, on behalf of the Trump Organization, signed Allen Weisselberg’s separation agreement, in which, in exchange for $2 million in installment payments, Allen Weisselberg agreed, inter alia, not to disparage or criticize the Trump Organization or its current or former employees, and not to cooperate voluntarily with law enforcement or anyone with adverse legal claims to the Trump Organization unless compelled to by a court. PX 1751; TT 3451-3457.
Eric Trump took responsibility for negotiating the terms of the separation agreement. TT 3457.
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Donald Trump, Jr.
Donald Trump, Jr. started his employment at the Trump Organization in 2001. TT 3160, 3976. Early in his tenure, he worked as a project manager at Trump Park Avenue, where he did a “[l]ittle bit of everything; design, construction, overseeing some of the banking relationships we had, anything and everything.” TT 3161-3162. Trump, Jr. affirmed that, at the time, he knew about the impact of rent stabilization laws on development at Trump Park Avenue, and he was aware of the limitations imposed by that law. TT 3162. Trump, Jr. also served as project manager for Trump Chicago, working on “everything from design, architecture, sales and marketing, finance, construction… [y]ou name it.” TT 3162-3163.
Since at least 2011, Trump, Jr. has served as an executive vice-president of the Trump Organization, reporting to his father, until Donald Trump assumed the presidency in January 2017. TT 3164, 3167. After that, Trump, Jr. and Eric Trump served as co-chief executive officers of the Trump Organization and, collectively, with Allen Weisselberg, had “ultimate authority over decisions made at the Trump Organization.” TT 3164-3170. TT 3286-3288. In addition to their role as co-CEOs of the Trump Organization, beginning in January 2017, Trump, Jr. and Eric Trump were also presidents, directors, executive vice presidents, and/or chairmen of various Trump Organization entities. PX 1329 at 13-25.
Also in January 2017, Trump, Jr. and Weisselberg became trustees of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, which Trump, Jr. understood to be “the trust that governed all of my father’s assets[,] especially while he was president.” TT 3170, 3179, PX 769. When examined about his knowledge of Allen Weisselberg’s departure from the Trump Organization, Trump, Jr. testified that Weisselberg was terminated from his role as trustee because of his criminal indictment, but that he was not terminated from his employment at the helm of the Trump Organization for that reason. TT 3170-3172. Trump, Jr. then testified that he does not know the details of how or why Weisselberg ended his employment relationship with the Trump Organization, which this Court finds entirely unbelievable. TT 3172-3173.
On January 20, 2021, Donald Trump re-appointed himself as a trustee of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust and removed Trump, Jr., while leaving Weisselberg as a “business trustee.” PX 1016; TT 3185-3186. After Weisselberg was terminated from his role as trustee in June of 2021, Trump, Jr. was re-appointed trustee on July 7, 2021. Apparently, 16 Trump, Jr. remains the sole trustee of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust. TT 3181-3185, 3190-3191; PX 1015, 1016. In early 2016, at the request of “one of the three children” (referring to Donald Trump’s three adult children), Patrick Birney created and distributed to Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump, and Trump, Jr. a “Trump Organization Operating Financial Summary 2015” to keep them informed of the performance of the business, in anticipation of taking over. PX 1293; TT 1181-1186. Trump, Jr. and Eric Trump were continuously kept apprised of the operating financials by Weisselberg. TT 3270-3273; PX 1454.
In January 2017, Trump, Jr., along with Eric Trump, took over responsibility for running the Trump Organization. TT 3982-3983.
In March 2017, Trump, Jr. and Eric Trump were given power of attorney over certain of their father’s real estate and banking relationships. PX 1330; TT 3174-3177. The power of attorney explicitly states “[t]he authority granted hereunder is solely with respect to the execution and delivery of certifications and similar documentation (including, without limitation, compliance certificates) in connection with existing financings in which Donald J. Trump is guarantor.” PX 1330; TT 3177-3178, 3433-3434.
Trump, Jr. stated that his father had no role in decision-making at the Trump Organization between January 20, 2017 and January 20, 2021, but that he resumed “some” decision-making after January 20, 2021, choosing certain activities in which to get involved. TT 3173-3174, 3984.
From January 2017 through 2021, Trump, Jr. and Weisselberg, as trustees of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, were responsible for the preparation and fair presentation of the SFCs. See, e.g., PX 756; TT 961-963. Trump, Jr. acknowledged that as a trustee, he was subject to fiduciary responsibilities.
In his capacity as trustee, Trump, Jr. certified that he was “responsible for the accompanying statement of financial condition … and the related notes to the financial statement in accordance with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America.” See, e.g., PX 756. He did this every year from 2017 to 2021 despite having no knowledge of the requirements of GAAP, never having been employed in a position that required him to apply GAAP, and never having received any training on applying GAAP. TT 3155-3156. In his capacity as trustee, Trump, Jr. also certified that the values of assets contained in the SFCs were “estimated current values.” See, e.g., PX 756.
On March 3, 2017, Alan Garten, chief legal officer for the Trump Organization, forwarded Trump, Jr. an email from Forbes that, inter alia, questioned the claimed size of Donald Trump’s Trump Tower Triplex and cited that property records indicated it was only 10,996 square feet. PX 1344. Trump, Jr. acknowledged receiving the email, and he responded that same day with: “Insane amount of stuff there.” PX 1344. Notwithstanding, four days later, on March 10, 2017, Trump, Jr., along with Weisselberg, signed a Management Representation Letter to Mazars in which they represented the value of the Triplex based on the false assumption that it was 30,000 square feet. PX 741; TT 3231-3234. Trump, Jr. testified that he could not recall if he did any fact checking or “anything” in response to the Forbes inquiry, despite specifically affirming the following representations in the Management Representation Letter:
(2) We have made available to you all financial records and related data, and any additional information you requested from us for the purpose of the compilation. We have not knowingly withheld from you any financial records or related data that in our judgment would be relevant to your compilation.
(4) We acknowledge and have fulfilled our responsibility for designing, implementing, and maintaining internal control relevant to the preparation and fair presentation of the personal financial statement that is free from material misstatement, whether due to fraud or error.
(5) We acknowledge our responsibility for designing, implementing, and maintaining internal control to prevent and detect fraud.
(6) We have no knowledge of any allegations of fraud, or suspected fraud, affecting us that could have a material effect on the personal financial statement.
PX 741; TT 3231-3234. When asked on whom he relied to assure himself that making the representations in the Management Representation Letter was appropriate, Trump, Jr. testified: “I don’t recall who I relied on.” TT 3236. Yet, when he signed the certifications, Trump, Jr. “intended for the bank to rely upon [them].” TT 3241, 3250.
Trump, Jr. signed certifications verifying the accuracy of the SFCs submitted to Deutsche Bank in 2017, 2018 and 2019. See, e.g., PX 1386, 393; TT 3238-3239. While disclaiming responsibility for the SFCs contents, Trump, Jr. testified that he “would have sat with the relevant parties,” which he identified as Weisselberg, McConney, and Bender, to discuss the SFCs. TT 3238-3241.
Trump, Jr. also certified to Mazars that there were no significant changes in Donald Trump’s net worth in 2017 and 2018, upon which Mazars relied in issuing the No MAC letters to NYC Parks to fulfill Donald Trump’s obligations under the Ferry Point contract. PX 3280, 3285. In 2023, Trump, Jr. approved the sale and assignment of the Ferry Point contract to Bally’s for $60 million, with an additional $115 million to be paid to the Trump Organization should Bally’s obtain a gaming license for the site. PX 3304, 3305, 3306; TT 3261-3268.
Despite disclaiming responsibility for or knowledge of the SFCs contents, Trump, Jr. still insisted that the SFCs were “materially accurate.” TT 3275-3276.
Trump, Jr. mistakenly testified that Mark Hawthorn is the current chief financial officer (“CFO”) of the Trump Organization, claiming that he replaced Allen Weisselberg. TT 3282-3283, 3987. However, the CFO position has remained unfilled since Allen Weisselberg departed the Trump Organization. TT 5245-5248.
Footnote #16 (Footnotes have the real deal):
16 When asked if he was aware if his father, Donald Trump, is serving as a current trustee of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, Trump, Jr. testified “I don’t recall.” TT 3191.
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