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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,941
    Merkin Baller said:

    Which IMO is one of the more frustrating things about the 'both sides' argument in the last 10 years. 

    People who think both sides are equally bad are either being willfully dishonest or just aren't paying attention. 
    A lot of it is people who are not paying attention. It's a vicious circle because the fact that they don't pay attention most of the time means that, when they pop their heads up every four years and attempt to pay attention, they struggle to discern truth from fiction because they don't have a baseline of knowledge from which to make sound judgments. One thing I have some empathy for is that it has to be really hard to live your life in ignorance, and it's hard to navigate the world when you don't know how things work. Ignorance is not always bliss.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    BF25394 said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Which IMO is one of the more frustrating things about the 'both sides' argument in the last 10 years. 

    People who think both sides are equally bad are either being willfully dishonest or just aren't paying attention. 
    A lot of it is people who are not paying attention. It's a vicious circle because the fact that they don't pay attention most of the time means that, when they pop their heads up every four years and attempt to pay attention, they struggle to discern truth from fiction because they don't have a baseline of knowledge from which to make sound judgments. One thing I have some empathy for is that it has to be really hard to live your life in ignorance, and it's hard to navigate the world when you don't know how things work. Ignorance is not always bliss.
    Fair points.
  • mace1229
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    Go Beavers said:
    mace1229 said:
    It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. 
    A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first. 
    He basically sold out. But it does seem odd based on my memory of third party candidates who claim they’re outside of the establishment and then fully attach themselves to the establishment because their price was met. Not to mention the right would be squealing nonstop about “election interference” if he sided with Harris and was trying to remove, or keep himself on the ballot, as a strategy to help her win. 
    He was never truly a third party. He was a sore democrat loser. He went third party when he realized he had no chance at the primary. Then switched to supporting trump when he saw it could benefit him. 
    Like I said earlier, I don't see him asking people not to vote for him as weird, he dropped out.
    What I do find weird is his transition from left, to no party, to right in such a short time frame. When just a year ago he was running for president as a democrat.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,009
    2023
    BF25394 said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:

    Anyone with half a brain knew from the get-go that RFKJr was just trying to help Trump. It sure didn't take a genius to figure it out.
    Who's got the brain of RFK? What's it mean to us now?
    the worm has it, and it means nothing now.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,721
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    RFK is a bit nuts but I consider him the silver lining to Trump's second term.

    He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. I think he could do a lot of good as Sec of Health and Human Services. He's a bit anti-vax for my taste but I have some hope for MAHA as much as I hate MAGA. (The real question is will the GOP ever actually go for more regulations, which is how European countries eat healthier than us.)
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  • Merkin Baller
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    OnWis97 said:
    RFK is a bit nuts but I consider him the silver lining to Trump's second term.

    He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. 
    Michelle Obama would like a word. 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,693
    OnWis97 said:
    RFK is a bit nuts but I consider him the silver lining to Trump's second term.

    He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. I think he could do a lot of good as Sec of Health and Human Services. He's a bit anti-vax for my taste but I have some hope for MAHA as much as I hate MAGA. (The real question is will the GOP ever actually go for more regulations, which is how European countries eat healthier than us.)
    His ability to think critically and grasp the scientific method isn’t there. He’s a grievance peddler who talks smooth. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,682
    He wants to ban Mayonnaise I read. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,682
    Go Beavers said:
    OnWis97 said:
    RFK is a bit nuts but I consider him the silver lining to Trump's second term.

    He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. I think he could do a lot of good as Sec of Health and Human Services. He's a bit anti-vax for my taste but I have some hope for MAHA as much as I hate MAGA. (The real question is will the GOP ever actually go for more regulations, which is how European countries eat healthier than us.)
    His ability to think critically and grasp the scientific method isn’t there. He’s a grievance peddler who talks smooth. 
    ...talks smooth?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • njhaley1
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    mace1229 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    mace1229 said:
    It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. 
    A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first. 
    He basically sold out. But it does seem odd based on my memory of third party candidates who claim they’re outside of the establishment and then fully attach themselves to the establishment because their price was met. Not to mention the right would be squealing nonstop about “election interference” if he sided with Harris and was trying to remove, or keep himself on the ballot, as a strategy to help her win. 

    What I do find weird is his transition from left, to no party, to right in such a short time frame. When just a year ago he was running for president as a democrat.
    It stops being weird when you come to the realization that he was never really left to begin with.  
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,693
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Go Beavers said:
    OnWis97 said:
    RFK is a bit nuts but I consider him the silver lining to Trump's second term.

    He's the only big-time player in a long time that's talked about the ridiculous poisoned/ultra-processed diet Americans eat. I think he could do a lot of good as Sec of Health and Human Services. He's a bit anti-vax for my taste but I have some hope for MAHA as much as I hate MAGA. (The real question is will the GOP ever actually go for more regulations, which is how European countries eat healthier than us.)
    His ability to think critically and grasp the scientific method isn’t there. He’s a grievance peddler who talks smooth. 
    ...talks smooth?
    Smooth may not be the best description. His choice of words is cleverly done to where he’ll make make an inflammatory statement, but within what he said there’s plausible deniability where he can then backtrack and claim “that’s not what I said/meant”. E.g. he’ll make a blanket anti-vax statement, then later claim he’s for safe vaccines. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,721
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    I don't really understand all the science, either but I do know America is outrageously obese and while you can point to personal choices you can also look at all the unhealthy food being pushed on us.

    (The irony that the man for whom RFKJ will be working eats the foods exclusively is not lost on me.)
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,682
    The whole western world needs to eat healthier. And stop killing animals for food like brain dead savages.

    At the same time, no country in the world should have RFK running anything.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    RFK would be in a position to ban vaccines. Polio - coming to a kid near you.

    He was never a "democrat" - not in this cycle. From day one he was trying to help Trump. If you don't realize that you were not paying attention.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,890
    2023
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    RFK would be in a position to ban vaccines. Polio - coming to a kid near you.

    He was never a "democrat" - not in this cycle. From day one he was trying to help Trump. If you don't realize that you were not paying attention.
    Yeah and his entire family basically came out against him. That's fucking odd.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,009
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    RFK would be in a position to ban vaccines. Polio - coming to a kid near you.

    He was never a "democrat" - not in this cycle. From day one he was trying to help Trump. If you don't realize that you were not paying attention.
    Yeah and his entire family basically came out against him. That's fucking odd.
    except for his current wife, that he just had an affair on with that journalist.

    he is a piece of shit. his last wife found his journal where he detailed cheating on her over 30 times and she ended up committing suicide.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,333
    2023
    Gern Blansten said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    RFK would be in a position to ban vaccines. Polio - coming to a kid near you.

    He was never a "democrat" - not in this cycle. From day one he was trying to help Trump. If you don't realize that you were not paying attention.
    Yeah and his entire family basically came out against him. That's fucking odd.
    Odd? Nah, normal.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,682
    Musk in on Joe Rogan now also
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,009
    2023
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Musk in on Joe Rogan now also
    miss me with that one, man
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,890
    2023
    Lol can't believe Rogans endorsement is a headline...like where is the Kid Rock headlines? 
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