---President Elect Musk and Convicted Felon Donald J Trump---

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...

Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris. 

Gern Blansten

2023

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...

Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris. 

I think it's very odd for a third party candidate to go through all of the effort to get on the ballot only to tell people using those ballots to not vote for him.

Not sure why this would start an argument.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...

Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris. 

I think it's very odd for a third party candidate to go through all of the effort to get on the ballot only to tell people using those ballots to not vote for him.

Not sure why this would start an argument.

It would be weird if he was still running and thought there was even the slightest chance of a win.
But didn't he drop out, but was too late to take his name off the ballot in a few states? He doesn't want to run anymore, so he's endorsing trump. it's pretty normal to endorse someone when you drop out. Biden is endorsing Kamala after dropping out too.
Not trying to argue. Just saying it's completely normal what he's doing. If he was polling in double digits, he'd probably still be running and not saying that.

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...

Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris. 

I think it's very odd for a third party candidate to go through all of the effort to get on the ballot only to tell people using those ballots to not vote for him.

Not sure why this would start an argument.

It would be weird if he was still running and thought there was even the slightest chance of a win.
But didn't he drop out, but was too late to take his name off the ballot in a few states? He doesn't want to run anymore, so he's endorsing trump. it's pretty normal to endorse someone when you drop out. Biden is endorsing Kamala after dropping out too.
Not trying to argue. Just saying it's completely normal what he's doing. If he was polling in double digits, he'd probably still be running and not saying that.

Is it normal to ask the Supreme Court to reinstate your name to the ballot after you've dropped out of the race? 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-new-york-ballot-appeal-supreme-court/

Gern Blansten

2023

yeah I don't get the arguing...it is odd for sure

If not odd then tell me what other third party candidates did the same thing and had the owner of twitter promoting it for them?

If this is a pattern then I'll say it isn't odd.

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...

Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris. 

Right because Trump promised him a job and a platform for his fucked up ideas. Just normal MAGA shit. 

mace1229

It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. 
A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first. 

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. 
A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first. 

Yeah this is all normal strategy stuff.  Also normal to put an ex football player who never finished college in charge of US missile defense.  Totally normal.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4970165-trump-herschel-walker-missile-shield/

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...

Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris. 

Right because Trump promised him a job and a platform for his fucked up ideas. Just normal MAGA shit. 

I agree (except fort the last part, because every campaign has a strategy). He seems like an odd fit, and is only supporting him because he thinks he will benefit.
But in terms of overall strategy, it makes sense. He dropped out of the race and endorsed trump, why would he not tell his supports to vote trump? I just don't see what's weird with that particular move. It would actually be weird if he didn't say it, support one candidate while still trying to get votes for himself in battleground states that would cost the election, that would be weird.
Its all strategy. There's nothing weird about campaign strategy. 

Merkin Baller

The guy was backed by republican donors.... he was never a serious candidate, he was only there to take votes from Biden, but it was a stupid strategy as his crazy endeared himself to a lot of the crazy in trump's base. 

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Very odd...RFK begging people to NOT vote for him and Mush promoting it...

Other than him flipping, it's not odd. He knows he has 0.000% chance of winning and he'd rather support trump than Harris. 

Right because Trump promised him a job and a platform for his fucked up ideas. Just normal MAGA shit. 

I agree (except fort the last part, because every campaign has a strategy). He seems like an odd fit, and is only supporting him because he thinks he will benefit.
But in terms of overall strategy, it makes sense. He dropped out of the race and endorsed trump, why would he not tell his supports to vote trump? I just don't see what's weird with that particular move. It would actually be weird if he didn't say it, support one candidate while still trying to get votes for himself in battleground states that would cost the election, that would be weird.
Its all strategy. There's nothing weird about campaign strategy. 

Giving a platform to a kook and promising him a high level cabinet position for some votes is not "normal".  I'd love for you to give me another example of it. "Campaign strategy" isn't weird.  This strategy is corrupted, par for MAGA.  

Now try defending Walker in charge of missile defense.  

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. 
A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first. 

He basically sold out. But it does seem odd based on my memory of third party candidates who claim they’re outside of the establishment and then fully attach themselves to the establishment because their price was met. Not to mention the right would be squealing nonstop about “election interference” if he sided with Harris and was trying to remove, or keep himself on the ballot, as a strategy to help her win. 

mrussel1

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

It's all strategy. He removed his name from the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote trump. He tried to keep his name on the ballot in states where he thought more of his supporters would vote Kamala. 
A little shady, I agree. You should either be on or off the ballot. But in terms of strategy, it doesn't strike me as weird. He wants trump to win. Probably only because they promised him a job first. 

He basically sold out. But it does seem odd based on my memory of third party candidates who claim they’re outside of the establishment and then fully attach themselves to the establishment because their price was met. Not to mention the right would be squealing nonstop about “election interference” if he sided with Harris and was trying to remove, or keep himself on the ballot, as a strategy to help her win. 

MAGA believes pro-Harris ads are election interference.  

Johnny Abruzzo

2023

Merkin Baller said:

The guy was backed by republican donors.... he was never a serious candidate, he was only there to take votes from Biden, but it was a stupid strategy as his crazy endeared himself to a lot of the crazy in trump's base. 

Anyone with half a brain knew from the get-go that RFKJr was just trying to help Trump. It sure didn't take a genius to figure it out.

Make America Healthy? How about undoing environmental regulations on mercury in bodies of water. Yeah that's real healthy. Oh yeah that's what Trump 45 did. But Trump 47 will be so different. Right.

Receipts: https://www.reuters.com/article/business/environment/trump-administration-weakens-mercury-rule-for-coal-plants-idUSKCN21Y1IV/

Merkin Baller

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

The guy was backed by republican donors.... he was never a serious candidate, he was only there to take votes from Biden, but it was a stupid strategy as his crazy endeared himself to a lot of the crazy in trump's base. 

Anyone with half a brain knew from the get-go that RFKJr was just trying to help Trump.

Or anyone being halfway serious. 

Go Beavers

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Merkin Baller said:

The guy was backed by republican donors.... he was never a serious candidate, he was only there to take votes from Biden, but it was a stupid strategy as his crazy endeared himself to a lot of the crazy in trump's base. 

Anyone with half a brain knew from the get-go that RFKJr was just trying to help Trump. It sure didn't take a genius to figure it out.

Make America Healthy? How about undoing environmental regulations on mercury in bodies of water. Yeah that's real healthy. Oh yeah that's what Trump 45 did. But Trump 47 will be so different. Right.

Receipts: https://www.reuters.com/article/business/environment/trump-administration-weakens-mercury-rule-for-coal-plants-idUSKCN21Y1IV/

Republicans are eager for both regulation and de-regulation at the same time. 

BF25394

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

"end the forever wars"

But then constantly whining about Biden ending Afghanistan. 4x as many Americans killed in Afghanistan during Trump's term vs Biden's term. The numbers are what they are. God damn fuck these people.

yeah and the 13 people killed by a suicide bomber is Biden's fault...no mention of how many may have been killed if we hadn't pulled out.

An unfortunate situation that the GOP decided to take advantage of

That's what they do... for how many hours did Clinton testify about Benghazi? 

How much time & money did they spend investigating Hunter? 

Yeah and I can't tell you how sick I am (still) of hearing people say that Obama is the one that started all of the division. That's a fucking dog whistle that most probably pass on without thinking but it's so stupid I can't handle it.

Agreed.

There has been a 50-year project on the right to destroy trust in American institutions, feeding off a justified sense of discontent that stemmed from Democratic mistakes (Vietnam) and Republican ones (Watergate, more Vietnam). But the real scorched-earth approach to politics took hold when the Gingrich-led Republican majority took power in 1994.

Merkin Baller

BF25394 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

"end the forever wars"

But then constantly whining about Biden ending Afghanistan. 4x as many Americans killed in Afghanistan during Trump's term vs Biden's term. The numbers are what they are. God damn fuck these people.

yeah and the 13 people killed by a suicide bomber is Biden's fault...no mention of how many may have been killed if we hadn't pulled out.

An unfortunate situation that the GOP decided to take advantage of

That's what they do... for how many hours did Clinton testify about Benghazi? 

How much time & money did they spend investigating Hunter? 

Yeah and I can't tell you how sick I am (still) of hearing people say that Obama is the one that started all of the division. That's a fucking dog whistle that most probably pass on without thinking but it's so stupid I can't handle it.

Agreed.

There has been a 50-year project on the right to destroy trust in American institutions, feeding off a justified sense of discontent that stemmed from Democratic mistakes (Vietnam) and Republican ones (Watergate, more Vietnam). But the real scorched-earth approach to politics took hold when the Gingrich-led Republican majority took power in 1994.

Which IMO is one of the more frustrating things about the 'both sides' argument in the last 10 years. 

People who think both sides are equally bad are either being willfully dishonest or just aren't paying attention. 

BF25394

Johnny Abruzzo said:

"end the forever wars"

But then constantly whining about Biden ending Afghanistan. 4x as many Americans killed in Afghanistan during Trump's term vs Biden's term. The numbers are what they are. God damn fuck these people.

A common talking point used by Trump supporters to justify his return to office is that, when he was president, "there were no wars"-- ignoring the inconvenient fact that, for the entirety of Trump's term, the U.S. was at war in Afghanistan and that, under Biden, for the first time in twenty years, we stopped being at war there.

(This is without even addressing numerous other wars around the world during the period not directly involving the U.S. from 2017 to 2021 (e.g., Syria, Yemen, Ethiopia) that apparently don't count for some reason even though Ukraine and Gaza do count for some reason.)

BF25394

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Anyone with half a brain knew from the get-go that RFKJr was just trying to help Trump. It sure didn't take a genius to figure it out.

Who's got the brain of RFK? What's it mean to us now?