---President Elect Musk and Convicted Felon Donald J Trump---

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1706783011105096104?t=igr-ItPl41Hxch-RNb8wuw&s=19

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

I wonder what the appeal process is....or is there one? It sounds like NY is going to start revoking business licenses, etc.

Probably request a stay, pending appeal to a circuit court and when they rule against POOTWH, request a stay pending appeal to SCOTUS and they’ll take it up for consideration in the 2026/2027 term. If they agree to hear it, it’ll be in 2028 with a ruling in 2029. Then the dissolution process may proceed so it’ll probably be 2030 before POOTWH’s fraudulent businesses are shutdown.

state not fed.

It was a federal judge that determined POOTWH’s business entities committed fraud. Federal judge = federal court ruling = federal appeals process. All of which may delay proceedings in state court until the issue is resolved, I believe.

State Supreme Court judge. My bad. Next stop, if there are grounds, for an appeal would be federal court. Then it’d wind its way to SCOTUS, potentially. It’s what I get for taking a twatter post at face value. Regardless, it’ll be a while before POOTWH feels the pain. Same old, same old.

Zero chance this goes to Scotus or really past the appeals.  it's a straightforward fraud case that was won on summary judgment.  There are no Constitutional issues that need to be ironed out that I heard.  SCOTUS hears unique issues, matters between the states or cases between branches of gov't.  This is none of those.  

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/ElspethMcginty/status/1706782646385148080?t=sP8WZnk79yHIU1_POBRRTQ&s=19

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/ElspethMcginty/status/1706782646385148080?t=sP8WZnk79yHIU1_POBRRTQ&s=19

Now that's funny!

Halifax2TheMax

2023

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

I wonder what the appeal process is....or is there one? It sounds like NY is going to start revoking business licenses, etc.

Probably request a stay, pending appeal to a circuit court and when they rule against POOTWH, request a stay pending appeal to SCOTUS and they’ll take it up for consideration in the 2026/2027 term. If they agree to hear it, it’ll be in 2028 with a ruling in 2029. Then the dissolution process may proceed so it’ll probably be 2030 before POOTWH’s fraudulent businesses are shutdown.

state not fed.

It was a federal judge that determined POOTWH’s business entities committed fraud. Federal judge = federal court ruling = federal appeals process. All of which may delay proceedings in state court until the issue is resolved, I believe.

State Supreme Court judge. My bad. Next stop, if there are grounds, for an appeal would be federal court. Then it’d wind its way to SCOTUS, potentially. It’s what I get for taking a twatter post at face value. Regardless, it’ll be a while before POOTWH feels the pain. Same old, same old.

Zero chance this goes to Scotus or really past the appeals.  it's a straightforward fraud case that was won on summary judgment.  There are no Constitutional issues that need to be ironed out that I heard.  SCOTUS hears unique issues, matters between the states or cases between branches of gov't.  This is none of those.  

Never say never.

The Juggler

2023

What a fraud

Halifax2TheMax

2023

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

I wonder what the appeal process is....or is there one? It sounds like NY is going to start revoking business licenses, etc.

Probably request a stay, pending appeal to a circuit court and when they rule against POOTWH, request a stay pending appeal to SCOTUS and they’ll take it up for consideration in the 2026/2027 term. If they agree to hear it, it’ll be in 2028 with a ruling in 2029. Then the dissolution process may proceed so it’ll probably be 2030 before POOTWH’s fraudulent businesses are shutdown.

state not fed.

It was a federal judge that determined POOTWH’s business entities committed fraud. Federal judge = federal court ruling = federal appeals process. All of which may delay proceedings in state court until the issue is resolved, I believe.

State Supreme Court judge. My bad. Next stop, if there are grounds, for an appeal would be federal court. Then it’d wind its way to SCOTUS, potentially. It’s what I get for taking a twatter post at face value. Regardless, it’ll be a while before POOTWH feels the pain. Same old, same old.

Zero chance this goes to Scotus or really past the appeals.  it's a straightforward fraud case that was won on summary judgment.  There are no Constitutional issues that need to be ironed out that I heard.  SCOTUS hears unique issues, matters between the states or cases between branches of gov't.  This is none of those.  

Never say never.

Three current SCOTUS justices testified in their confirmation hearings that Roe was “settled” law and yet they took a case that effectively overturned it. You still believe that SCOTUS is an impartial body not politicized nor an extension of the billionaire class? C’mon, man!

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1706777125401809214?t=tM5sn0xoDkOZ2wOZsTzP3A&s=19

This ruling will only further endear him to the *checks notes* law & order party, which tracks with their supremacist mindset. 

The Juggler

2023

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1706783011105096104?t=igr-ItPl41Hxch-RNb8wuw&s=19

Haha....everyone just forgets about his fake university and fake charity foundation at this point. 

Merkin Baller

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1706783011105096104?t=igr-ItPl41Hxch-RNb8wuw&s=19

Haha....everyone just forgets about his fake university and fake charity foundation at this point. 

& the 6 times he filed for bankruptcy. 

But never mind all that... he's a successful businessman, people know this because they watched him on the apprentice. 

Gern Blansten

2023

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1706783011105096104?t=igr-ItPl41Hxch-RNb8wuw&s=19

Haha....everyone just forgets about his fake university and fake charity foundation at this point. 

Exactly...how in the fuck has that not entered the conversation on a daily basis. For fucks sake if Biden had that baggage the magats would be lighting themselves on fire.

Merkin Baller

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1706783011105096104?t=igr-ItPl41Hxch-RNb8wuw&s=19

Haha....everyone just forgets about his fake university and fake charity foundation at this point. 

Exactly...how in the fuck has that not entered the conversation on a daily basis. For fucks sake if Biden had that baggage the magats would be lighting themselves on fire.

It makes perfect sense when you accept that the hypocrisy isn't a bug, but rather a feature of the supremacist mindset. 

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1707030131288465468?t=r91lrNZwuZgd7iRSIoPuog&s=19

Bentleyspop

Here is George Clooney response after Trump accused him of being a "Hollywood elite."

"Here’s the thing: I grew up in Kentucky. I sold insurance door-to-door. I sold ladies’ shoes. I worked at an all-night liquor store. I would buy suits that were too big and too long and cut the bottom of the pants off to make ties so I’d have a tie to go on job interviews. I grew up understanding what it was like to not have health insurance for eight years.

So this idea that I’m somehow the “Hollywood elite” and this guy who takes a shit in a gold toilet is somehow the man of the people is laughable.

People in Hollywood, for the most part, are people from the Midwest who moved to Hollywood to have a career. So this idea of “coastal elites” living in a bubble is ridiculous. Who lives in a bigger bubble?

He lives in a gold tower and has twelve people in his company. He doesn’t run a corporation of hundreds of thousands of people he employs and takes care of. He ran a company of twelve people!

When you direct a film you have seven different unions all wanting different things, you have to find consensus with all of them, and you have to get them moving in the same direction.

He’s never had to do any of that kind of stuff. I just look at it and I laugh when I see him say “Hollywood elite.” Hollywood elite? I don’t have a star on Hollywood Boulevard, Donald Trump has a star on Hollywood Boulevard! Fuck you!"

- George Clooney

actor, philanthropist, humanitarian & activist

Halifax2TheMax

2023

Bentleyspop said:

Here is George Clooney response after Trump accused him of being a "Hollywood elite."

"Here’s the thing: I grew up in Kentucky. I sold insurance door-to-door. I sold ladies’ shoes. I worked at an all-night liquor store. I would buy suits that were too big and too long and cut the bottom of the pants off to make ties so I’d have a tie to go on job interviews. I grew up understanding what it was like to not have health insurance for eight years.

So this idea that I’m somehow the “Hollywood elite” and this guy who takes a shit in a gold toilet is somehow the man of the people is laughable.

People in Hollywood, for the most part, are people from the Midwest who moved to Hollywood to have a career. So this idea of “coastal elites” living in a bubble is ridiculous. Who lives in a bigger bubble?

He lives in a gold tower and has twelve people in his company. He doesn’t run a corporation of hundreds of thousands of people he employs and takes care of. He ran a company of twelve people!

When you direct a film you have seven different unions all wanting different things, you have to find consensus with all of them, and you have to get them moving in the same direction.

He’s never had to do any of that kind of stuff. I just look at it and I laugh when I see him say “Hollywood elite.” Hollywood elite? I don’t have a star on Hollywood Boulevard, Donald Trump has a star on Hollywood Boulevard! Fuck you!"

- George Clooney

actor, philanthropist, humanitarian & activist

I’ll add that George Clooney is a far superior businessman than POOTWH based on his sale of Casa Amigos to Jose Cuervo and his total number of bankruptcies.

Halifax2TheMax

2023

Incensed I say! Incensed! 

How much would your house be worth if the Trump Organization owned it?

A year offering no shortage of bad news for Donald Trump outdid itself Tuesday afternoon, with New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron ruling that the former president’s namesake business, the Trump Organization, had repeatedly and fraudulently inflated the value of its real estate properties.

The ruling held no shortage of condemnations for the company and for its lawyers, whose reliance on already-rejected arguments spurred Engoron to issue sanctions against them. But the ruling was also remarkable for its delineation of the scale of that inflation.

It was by no means a secret that Trump had a habit of overstating his net worth. This is well-documented, including in interviews where Trump announced that his net worth depended on his mood.

But there’s a difference between Trump, salesman-turned-politician overstating things to close the deal, and the Trump Organization presenting inflated data to potential lenders. In one case, Trump is trying to extract your vote in a marketplace bounded almost solely by the constraints of personal honesty and free speech. In the latter, there are legal ramifications for misleading potential investors — ramifications that the judge said should apply to the Trump Organization.

The ruling walked through the scale of the inflation undertaken by the Trump Organization over the past 10 to 15 years. For example, consider the gap in valuation given to Trump’s Seven Springs property in Westchester County, N.Y. The judge compared its appraised value with what was presented in Statements of Financial Condition (SFCs) presented to potential investors.

“Not withstanding receiving market values from professional appraisals in 2000, 2006, 2012, and 2014 valuing Seven Springs at or below $30 million, Donald Trump’s 2011 SFC reported the value to be $261 million, and his 2012, 2013 and 2014 SFCs reported the value to be $291 million.”

There is undeniably some subjectivity here, with appraised values varying over time and by appraiser. What the judge delineated, though, was a wide divergence between what the Trump Organization had been told by objective reviewers a property was worth and how the property was valued in financial documents.

At times, the valuations were explicitly based on false data, the judge noted, as in the case of Trump’s apartment in Manhattan’s Trump Tower: It was presented as extending over 30,000 square feet when, in reality, the space was only about a third of that size. Applying a price-per-square-foot to that exaggerated size meant a huge, inaccurate increase in presented value.

“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades,” the judge wrote, “can only be considered fraud.”

The most contentious valuation was that applied to Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s home in Florida. It was presented as being worth as much as $612 million in Trump’s financial documents, despite restrictions on how the property could be used. An outside appraisal put the value closer to $28 million.

Trump’s son Eric was incensed, taking to social media Tuesday to claim that the judge was biased against his father and that, actually, Mar-a-Lago was “speculated to be worth well over a billion dollars.” And here, again, we see the gap between what you can say for political or engagement purposes and what you can drop in front of a potential business partner.

The New York Post, appearing eager to side with the longtime star of its gossip pages, scoffed at the objective appraisal included in the judge’s ruling, insisting that other assessments put the value of Mar-a-Lago at somewhere around $300 million. Those well-versed in mathematics will notice that this would still mean the $612 million Trump valuation was twice the actual worth of the property.

But here is a different approach. Instead of defending the Trump Organization’s inflation efforts, you can put them to work for you. The tool below allows you to choose a property value between $100,000 and $1 billion (for especially lucky readers) and see how those values might have been presented to investors had the Trump Organization’s inflationary metrics been applied. All of the calculations here are taken from the judge’s ruling, in which the presented value and assessed values are offered explicitly — as in the Seven Springs example above.

The tool is set at $400,000 to start, about the median sales price for U.S. homes this year.

What property value would you like to inflate? $400,000

Here are your Trump-inflated values.             

If we were to inflate the value to the extent that the value of Trump Tower was inflated, your $400,000 swells to $1,091,306, an increase of $691,306.

If we apply the level of inflation used for Mar-a-Lago, we get a range from $6,181,589 to $13,602,455. Even if we use the New York Post's generous assessment, the value was still inflated, lifting your $400,000 to $816,147.

If we use the level of inflation applied to the property at Seven Springs, your $400,000 becomes $3,880,000. Using the inflation applied to the property at 40 Wall Street, we get an inflated value ranging from $1,049,400 in 2011 to $544,741 in 2015.

Then there are the golf clubs. Inflating your $400,000 to the same degree as the inflation applied to the club at Briarcliff, your investment jumps to $1,780,126. The inflation used for the club in Los Angeles raises your $400,000 to $1,415,397.

Congratulations on your sudden surge in net worth. And good luck in court.

How much would your house be worth if the Trump Organization owned it? - The Washington Post

jpgoegel

they are literally admitting to the crime (above).    we want it low for taxes, but high for collateral.   that's fraud, dipshits

Poncier

2023

How does George Clooney not have a star on the Hollywood walk of fame?
This country is really going to hell.

And yes I know how having a star works

mrussel1

Poncier said:

How does George Clooney not have a star on the Hollywood walk of fame?
This country is really going to hell.

And yes I know how having a star works

Seriously, we've lost our country. 

Halifax2TheMax

2023

So let me get this straight, POOTWH goes to a non-union facility in Michigan to win support from union labor during last night’s debate. In the crowd is a woman holding a union for POOTWH sign but admits she’s not in a union while another guy is holding a sign that says autoworkers for POOTWH but admits he’s not an autoworker. And Brandon is the demented one?