Earthquakes in Turkey and Syria. 7.8 magnitude.

tempo_n_groove

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/turkey-earthquake-latest-020623/index.html

Big earthquake out there and buildings are just collapsing.  I’ve never seen buildings go down like that.

Massive help mission being formed by country’s…

brianlux

Thanks for starting a thread on this, buddy.  I meant to do it but had a busy morning.

The images coming out of this are horrifying. 

I have a forum friend from another site who lives in Turkey but fortunately he and his wife live a good ways east of the epicenter.  He said they were asleep and didn't feel it.  Talk about sound sleepers.

Another guy there from Istanbul mentioned a 7.7 aftershock.  Good grief, almost as bad as the first quake.  I can't even imagine.

Syria also got hit very hard- much damage and many casualties.  A really difficult situation over there.

brianlux

Just saw this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/feb/06/turkey-earthquake-2023-live-updates-quake-tremor-latest-news

At least 3,800 death.  A huge tragedy.

josevolution

brianlux said:

Just saw this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/feb/06/turkey-earthquake-2023-live-updates-quake-tremor-latest-news

At least 3,800 death.  A huge tragedy.

Yeah terrible situation! 

Halifax2TheMax

Absolutely horrendous. I can’t imagine. One minute your apartment building or neighborhood or town is there and the next, just piles of rubble. The videos of buildings collapsing are just sickening.

brianlux

Halifax2TheMax said:

Absolutely horrendous. I can’t imagine. One minute your apartment building or neighborhood or town is there and the next, just piles of rubble. The videos of buildings collapsing are just sickening.

Yes, they are indeed.  I have to say though, I thought it was overtly sensationalist and emotionally manipulative of some of these news sites that when you open them up on a phone or computer, videos of building collapsing and people falling to their death instantly start up.  That really gave me pause to reconsider what news sites I will be following in the future.  I'm not so thin skinned that I can't handle photos or video of death and destruction. Generally though, I prefer not to view that sort of thing, and I want to be the one to make the decision about what I am going to see and watch, not some manipulative news outlet.

lastexitlondon

An awful situation.  so many trapped

tempo_n_groove

This could be worse than the Mexico city Quake that had 10,000 die.

This is just brutal.  An internal war and now this.

23scidoo

Look at the buildings they are living in..

josevolution

Dense population doesn’t help

tempo_n_groove

23scidoo said:

Look at the buildings they are living in..

I did construction in Iraq and am aware of the disregard to structural integrity.  It still is panful to see what is happening.

Halifax2TheMax

You might want to consider moving to higher ground. Scary thing is, is that these tectonic plate zones are all over the place. NY State, Missouri, Yellowstone, etc. And from what I recall, they're all way overdue for "the big one." Hope I don't live to see the day. Long article but worth it, particularly the science aspect of it. But yikes.

Annals of Seismology

July 20, 2015 Issue

The Really Big One

An earthquake will destroy a sizable portion of the coastal Northwest. The question is when.

When the 2011 earthquake and tsunami struck Tohoku, Japan, Chris Goldfinger was two hundred miles away, in the city of Kashiwa, at an international meeting on seismology. As the shaking started, everyone in the room began to laugh. Earthquakes are common in Japan—that one was the third of the week—and the participants were, after all, at a seismology conference. Then everyone in the room checked the time.

Seismologists know that how long an earthquake lasts is a decent proxy for its magnitude. The 1989 earthquake in Loma Prieta, California, which killed sixty-three people and caused six billion dollars’ worth of damage, lasted about fifteen seconds and had a magnitude of 6.9. A thirty-second earthquake generally has a magnitude in the mid-sevens. A minute-long quake is in the high sevens, a two-minute quake has entered the eights, and a three-minute quake is in the high eights. By four minutes, an earthquake has hit magnitude 9.0.

When Goldfinger looked at his watch, it was quarter to three. The conference was wrapping up for the day. He was thinking about sushi. The conference was wrapping up for the day. He was thinking about sushi. The speaker at the lectern was wondering if he should carry on with his talk. The earthquake was not particularly strong. Then it ticked past the sixty-second mark, making it longer than the others that week. The shaking intensified. The seats in the conference room were small plastic desks with wheels. Goldfinger, who is tall and solidly built, thought, No way am I crouching under one of those for cover. At a minute and a half, everyone in the room got up and went outside.

It was March. There was a chill in the air, and snow flurries, but no snow on the ground. Nor, from the feel of it, was there ground on the ground. The earth snapped and popped and rippled. It was, Goldfinger thought, like driving through rocky terrain in a vehicle with no shocks, if both the vehicle and the terrain were also on a raft in high seas. The quake passed the two-minute mark. The trees, still hung with the previous autumn’s dead leaves, were making a strange rattling sound. The flagpole atop the building he and his colleagues had just vacated was whipping through an arc of forty degrees. The building itself was base-isolated, a seismic-safety technology in which the body of a structure rests on movable bearings rather than directly on its foundation. Goldfinger lurched over to take a look. The base was lurching, too, back and forth a foot at a time, digging a trench in the yard. He thought better of it, and lurched away. His watch swept past the three-minute mark and kept going.

Oh, shit, Goldfinger thought, although not in dread, at first: in amazement. For decades, seismologists had believed that Japan could not experience an earthquake stronger than magnitude 8.4. In 2005, however, at a conference in Hokudan, a Japanese geologist named Yasutaka Ikeda had argued that the nation should expect a magnitude 9.0 in the near future—with catastrophic consequences, because Japan’s famous earthquake-and-tsunami preparedness, including the height of its sea walls, was based on incorrect science. The presentation was met with polite applause and thereafter largely ignored. Now, Goldfinger realized as the shaking hit the four-minute mark, the planet was proving the Japanese Cassandra right.

Continues..............

The Earthquake That Will Devastate the Pacific Northwest | The New Yorker

tempo_n_groove

You could come down that hill if higher ground...  Look at the slides that happen on the West Coast.

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

You could come down that hill if higher ground...  Look at the slides that happen on the West Coast.

I was referring to further inland. The article makes mention of slides, thousands in Seattle alone. "Liquified earth."

tbergs

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

You could come down that hill if higher ground...  Look at the slides that happen on the West Coast.

I was referring to further inland. The article makes mention of slides, thousands in Seattle alone. "Liquified earth."

So you're saying Seattle will fall...

tempo_n_groove

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

You could come down that hill if higher ground...  Look at the slides that happen on the West Coast.

I was referring to further inland. The article makes mention of slides, thousands in Seattle alone. "Liquified earth."

So you're saying Seattle will fall...

lol  I've watched houses go down there and Cali.  Haven't lived in Oregon so I don't know.

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

You could come down that hill if higher ground...  Look at the slides that happen on the West Coast.

I was referring to further inland. The article makes mention of slides, thousands in Seattle alone. "Liquified earth."

So you're saying Seattle will fall...

More like slouch over and collapse, not fall like a tree. Someday, sure.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

You could come down that hill if higher ground...  Look at the slides that happen on the West Coast.

I was referring to further inland. The article makes mention of slides, thousands in Seattle alone. "Liquified earth."

So you're saying Seattle will fall...

More like slouch over and collapse, not fall like a tree. Someday, sure.

Ahhh you speak heroin!

brianlux

Yes, Carole, I have felt the earth move under my feet. 

They happen here, and we're over due for a BIG one.  People need to wise up and stop moving here.  In fact, people already here need to wise up and get out while they can.

Once that happens, maybe we will get back to having a reasonable population count here and I will be a happy guy!

tempo_n_groove

Over 16,000 dead now...

Holy cow...

lastexitlondon

There must  be so many trapped and frozen

mickeyrat

ap is saying over 17k and counting...

tempo_n_groove

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/8/how-to-donate-to-turkey-and-syria-earthquake-disaster-response

If you want to donate to help.

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

Over 16,000 dead now...

Holy cow...

mickeyrat said:

ap is saying over 17k and counting...

Every time I check the news the numbers go up.   The Guardian is now say the total between Turkey ans Syria has surpassed 20,000.  That's hard to comprehend. 

Also difficult to imagine is that this is now where near a record number of earthquake related deaths.  The 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake cause nearly 228,000 fatalities.

23scidoo

https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826

brianlux

23scidoo said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826

This really stand out in that article:

Although the quakes were powerful, experts say properly constructed buildings should have been able to stay standing.

"The maximum intensity for this earthquake was violent but not necessarily enough to bring well constructed buildings down," says Prof David Alexander, an expert in emergency planning and management at University College London.

"In most places the level of shaking was less than the maximum, so we can conclude out of the thousands of buildings that collapsed, almost all of them don't stand up to any reasonably expected earthquake construction code."

So many lives lost because of one word: cheap.

mace1229

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Over 16,000 dead now...

Holy cow...

mickeyrat said:

ap is saying over 17k and counting...

Every time I check the news the numbers go up.   The Guardian is now say the total between Turkey ans Syria has surpassed 20,000.  That's hard to comprehend. 

Also difficult to imagine is that this is now where near a record number of earthquake related deaths.  The 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake cause nearly 228,000 fatalities.

Almost all of that was the tsunami that followed. And while the earth quake did cause the tsunami, those that died as a direct result of the earth quake was much smaller. What is crazy is how powerful it was, a lot of people people don't understand the richter scale, and that earthquake was about 20 times larger than this one. How much worse could it have been if they were hit with one like that?
The 2010 Haiti earthquake was almost as bad though, and that was just a direct result of the earthquake.

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Over 16,000 dead now...

Holy cow...

mickeyrat said:

ap is saying over 17k and counting...

Every time I check the news the numbers go up.   The Guardian is now say the total between Turkey ans Syria has surpassed 20,000.  That's hard to comprehend. 

Also difficult to imagine is that this is now where near a record number of earthquake related deaths.  The 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake cause nearly 228,000 fatalities.

Almost all of that was the tsunami that followed. And while the earth quake did cause the tsunami, those that died as a direct result of the earth quake was much smaller. What is crazy is how powerful it was, a lot of people people don't understand the richter scale, and that earthquake was about 20 times larger than this one. How much worse could it have been if they were hit with one like that?
The 2010 Haiti earthquake was almost as bad though, and that was just a direct result of the earthquake.

That was a 9.1.  That is a huge earthquake.  I don't think the US has had one since that in Alaska?

If it ever reaches a 10 the ground liquifies and will swallow everything up around it.  Catastrophic is an understatement.

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

23scidoo said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826

This really stand out in that article:

Although the quakes were powerful, experts say properly constructed buildings should have been able to stay standing.

"The maximum intensity for this earthquake was violent but not necessarily enough to bring well constructed buildings down," says Prof David Alexander, an expert in emergency planning and management at University College London.

"In most places the level of shaking was less than the maximum, so we can conclude out of the thousands of buildings that collapsed, almost all of them don't stand up to any reasonably expected earthquake construction code."

So many lives lost because of one word: cheap.

I mentioned this earlier, I worked over in the Middle East and saw how they construct buildings.  They have a building style that didn't fair well in bombs and now in earthquakes.

Cheap is a good word for it.  lazy perhaps too.  Regulations are very easy to overlook there still.

Well hell, isn't there a building in San Fran that cheaped out and didn't put their foundation to bedrock and it has a lean?

Next earthquake that one is going over unfortunately.

brianlux

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Over 16,000 dead now...

Holy cow...

mickeyrat said:

ap is saying over 17k and counting...

Every time I check the news the numbers go up.   The Guardian is now say the total between Turkey ans Syria has surpassed 20,000.  That's hard to comprehend. 

Also difficult to imagine is that this is now where near a record number of earthquake related deaths.  The 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake cause nearly 228,000 fatalities.

Almost all of that was the tsunami that followed. And while the earth quake did cause the tsunami, those that died as a direct result of the earth quake was much smaller. What is crazy is how powerful it was, a lot of people people don't understand the richter scale, and that earthquake was about 20 times larger than this one. How much worse could it have been if they were hit with one like that?
The 2010 Haiti earthquake was almost as bad though, and that was just a direct result of the earthquake.

Yeah, I forgot about that.  You're right, it was the tsunami that led to so many deaths.  That was tragic.

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

23scidoo said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826

This really stand out in that article:

Although the quakes were powerful, experts say properly constructed buildings should have been able to stay standing.

"The maximum intensity for this earthquake was violent but not necessarily enough to bring well constructed buildings down," says Prof David Alexander, an expert in emergency planning and management at University College London.

"In most places the level of shaking was less than the maximum, so we can conclude out of the thousands of buildings that collapsed, almost all of them don't stand up to any reasonably expected earthquake construction code."

So many lives lost because of one word: cheap.

I mentioned this earlier, I worked over in the Middle East and saw how they construct buildings.  They have a building style that didn't fair well in bombs and now in earthquakes.

Cheap is a good word for it.  lazy perhaps too.  Regulations are very easy to overlook there still.

Well hell, isn't there a building in San Fran that cheaped out and didn't put their foundation to bedrock and it has a lean?

Next earthquake that one is going over unfortunately.

Right, lazy as well.

OMG, yeah, The Millennial Tower in San Francisco.  What a nightmare.  At 58 stories, it's the tallest residential building in the city, built on landfill, and not anchored onto bedrock.  What could go wrong?

I think we can add "stupid" to the list with cheap and lazy!

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

23scidoo said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/64568826

This really stand out in that article:

Although the quakes were powerful, experts say properly constructed buildings should have been able to stay standing.

"The maximum intensity for this earthquake was violent but not necessarily enough to bring well constructed buildings down," says Prof David Alexander, an expert in emergency planning and management at University College London.

"In most places the level of shaking was less than the maximum, so we can conclude out of the thousands of buildings that collapsed, almost all of them don't stand up to any reasonably expected earthquake construction code."

So many lives lost because of one word: cheap.

I mentioned this earlier, I worked over in the Middle East and saw how they construct buildings.  They have a building style that didn't fair well in bombs and now in earthquakes.

Cheap is a good word for it.  lazy perhaps too.  Regulations are very easy to overlook there still.

Well hell, isn't there a building in San Fran that cheaped out and didn't put their foundation to bedrock and it has a lean?

Next earthquake that one is going over unfortunately.

I saw a building like that in Pisa. It was crazy.