I nominate 9/11/98 MSG as the companion live CD to Yield anniversary release!

locked

Perfect in every way shape and form for an official release ! (And I am a Boston fan !)

https://youtu.be/BuYWjTC-AgU

locked

Thanks to 5H for this info

09/11/98 - Madison Square Garden: New York, NY 
set: Release, Hail Hail, Animal, Even Flow, Given to Fly, Corduroy, MFC, Habit, Faithfull, Daughter/(Beginning to See the Light)/(WMA), Wishlist, Nothingman, Immortality, RVM, Brain of J, Black, Do the Evolution 
enc 1: Breath, State of Love and Trust, Off He Goes, Leatherman, Better Man/(Save it for Later), Mankind, Baba O'Riley 
enc 2: Indifference (with Ben Harper), Alive 
notes: Returning for the encore and yet another sea of "Breath" signs on ever single level of the Garden, Ed tells the crowd they are never satisfied: 

"You fucking cocksuckers. [shakes head] You fucking bitch! You know, we come up here as a collective band and we give and we give and you just fucking want more ... and you know what? You deserve it. This is like some kind of organized religion here; I've never seen anything like it. Do you see what's happening? ... the third night in a row, right? [applause] Well, fuck you. We're gonna play it!"  (992K)

leading to the first playing of 'Breath' since 1994!!! woo hoo!!! With a brief announcement ("same record, different track"), they follow with 'SoL&T.' 'Mankind' is introduced by Stone saying, "Well, since we're playing every song in the catalog..." 'Baba' is intro'd as being a response to "corporate rock bands who make the mistake of trying to cover a real rock song." 'Indifference' is played with an ecstatic Ben Harper (who has been including 'Indifference' at some of his shows). During 'Alive,' Ed makes four attempts to toss his microphone over the vocal monitor rig above his head, and finally gets it over, but instead of just standing there, he proceeds to CLIMB UP THE MIC CORD and hang there for the rest of the song. 

Possibly the best show the band has ever played in their life. Period. (And they knew it, too.)

demetrios

+1 & I didn't even attend the show.

2-feign-reluctance

I guess you never know what they have planned. Or do we? 

BrainofBGA

Well, with the Yield Anniversary upon us who knows what might be made available. Take my money! 

ceska

It is unclear if a full professional recording, or one of standard release quality, even exists:

” It wasnt mike and stone on reddit, it was in the most recent issue of Deep that dropped last week. An interview with Brett Eliason. 

The show was recorded, it is unclear whether the encore was not recorded in multi track or the whole show was not. In either case, Brett would have been running a FOH board feed, much like the back half of Vault 7 from Soldier Field, where the vinyl does not include the entire encore, but it is on the digital and CD from the FOH board feed.”

From https://www.reddit.com/r/PearlJamBootlegs/comments/fzsscr/september_11th_1998_at_madison_square_garden_new/

js87130

I completely endorse this idea.  I wasn't at this show either but the 5H review was spot on.  Have wanted an official release of this one for a while.

RiotAct10

This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.

2-feign-reluctance

Yep, band didn’t record it & no way they work with an AUD version to officially put out. Sucks, but there are some real gems between 96-98 that would be strong subs. 

MUZIK

It’s definitely unfortunate however there is a very good 8.5/10 AUD recording that has recently made its rounds the passed few years.

fall by the wayside

RiotAct10 said:

This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.

This should be stickied around here it comes up so often, lol

fafane45

A Jack Iron's show would be brilliant IMO

demetrios

fafane45 said:

A Jack Iron's show would be brilliant IMO

It would be but the 9/11/98 show? I mean come in. That's a show that HAS to be included in a Yield Box Set if that ever gets released.

BrainofBGA

fall by the wayside said:

RiotAct10 said:

This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.

This should be stickied around here it comes up so often, lol

I find this staggering! A band playing a show have to pay to record it!? 

Can someone tell me why!? Anyone with any knowledge in this area!? 

fafane45

demetrios said:

fafane45 said:

A Jack Iron's show would be brilliant IMO

It would be but the 9/11/98 show? I mean come in. That's a show that HAS to be included in a Yield Box Set if that ever gets released.

I agree. If the show that would be released could

remixed by Josh Evans and

remastered by Rachel Field 

js87130

BrainofBGA said:

fall by the wayside said:

RiotAct10 said:

This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.

This should be stickied around here it comes up so often, lol

I find this staggering! A band playing a show have to pay to record it!? 

Can someone tell me why!? Anyone with any knowledge in this area!? 

I'd like to know why as well.  This does not seem like a legit answer.  Surely PJ could have afforded that in 1998.  And this was the first time they played MSG as a full band according to the Tour History Database on this website..  You're telling me that union fees prevented them from recording their first time playing at MSG, one of the most famous arenas in the world?  Come on.  Apparently they paid it in 2003 because we have that MSG recording.  This just doesn't pass the smell test.

axeljohan

js87130 said:

BrainofBGA said:

fall by the wayside said:

RiotAct10 said:

This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.

This should be stickied around here it comes up so often, lol

I find this staggering! A band playing a show have to pay to record it!? 

Can someone tell me why!? Anyone with any knowledge in this area!? 

I'd like to know why as well.  This does not seem like a legit answer.  Surely PJ could have afforded that in 1998.  And this was the first time they played MSG as a full band according to the Tour History Database on this website..  You're telling me that union fees prevented them from recording their first time playing at MSG, one of the most famous arenas in the world?  Come on.  Apparently they paid it in 2003 because we have that MSG recording.  This just doesn't pass the smell test.

Well in 2003, they knew that they can use the recording, since they sold their official bootlegs at that time. In 1998, it would have been another concert for the vault.

fall by the wayside

js87130 said:

I'd like to know why as well.  This does not seem like a legit answer.  Surely PJ could have afforded that in 1998.  And this was the first time they played MSG as a full band according to the Tour History Database on this website..  You're telling me that union fees prevented them from recording their first time playing at MSG, one of the most famous arenas in the world?  Come on.  Apparently they paid it in 2003 because we have that MSG recording.  This just doesn't pass the smell test.

LOL what? Brett Eliason clearly explained it. You do realize that at this point in time the band had never released a live album or live show at all? Live on 2 Legs was originally supposed to be the complete Constitution Hall show. They didn’t record MSG because the cost made no sense since there were no plans to release the material. They were still two years away from official bootlegs, which were completely revolutionary at the time. I’d love to hear it too, but this isn’t some conspiracy. Eliason has no reason to lie about this. 

RS65573

I don't believe it is a conspiracy, I just think they recorded and didn't tell anyone due to the union issues. I have played out maybe 12 times in my life, I recorded them. 0 chance they didn't record MSG.

And if they said heck lets ignore the biggest show we've ever played at the time, then for the love of god, compile all the audience recording, use that new MS AI that redoes audio in 3 seconds and get it done.

demetrios

RS65573 said:

And if they said heck lets ignore the biggest show we've ever played at the time, then for the love of god, compile all the audience recording, use that new MS AI that redoes audio in 3 seconds and get it done.

Yes please! Us fans will take anything.
Make it happen!

js87130

RS65573 said:

I don't believe it is a conspiracy, I just think they recorded and didn't tell anyone due to the union issues. I have played out maybe 12 times in my life, I recorded them. 0 chance they didn't record MSG.

And if they said heck lets ignore the biggest show we've ever played at the time, then for the love of god, compile all the audience recording, use that new MS AI that redoes audio in 3 seconds and get it done.

This is exactly what I’m thinking. I don’t think there’s any conspiracy. Maybe Eliason is being tight-lipped for a reason. I don’t know. I just can’t imagine being in a band and letting a union issue prevent you from recording your first shows at a venue like this. I could be totally wrong. It just seems like something you would go out of your way to document.