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I nominate 9/11/98 MSG as the companion live CD to Yield anniversary release!

lockedlocked Boston Posts: 4,039
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Perfect in every way shape and form for an official release ! (And I am a Boston fan !)

https://youtu.be/BuYWjTC-AgU


"This here's a REQUEST!"
EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
10/25/13 Hartford
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  • lockedlocked Boston Posts: 4,039
    Thanks to 5H for this info

    09/11/98 - Madison Square Garden: New York, NY 
    set: Release, Hail Hail, Animal, Even Flow, Given to Fly, Corduroy, MFC, Habit, Faithfull, Daughter/(Beginning to See the Light)/(WMA), Wishlist, Nothingman, Immortality, RVM, Brain of J, Black, Do the Evolution 
    enc 1: Breath, State of Love and Trust, Off He Goes, Leatherman, Better Man/(Save it for Later), Mankind, Baba O'Riley 
    enc 2: Indifference (with Ben Harper), Alive 
    notes: Returning for the encore and yet another sea of "Breath" signs on ever single level of the Garden, Ed tells the crowd they are never satisfied: 

    "You fucking cocksuckers. [shakes head] You fucking bitch! You know, we come up here as a collective band and we give and we give and you just fucking want more ... and you know what? You deserve it. This is like some kind of organized religion here; I've never seen anything like it. Do you see what's happening? ... the third night in a row, right? [applause] Well, fuck you. We're gonna play it!" mp3 soundbyte Eds intro to Breath (992K)
    leading to the first playing of 'Breath' since 1994!!! woo hoo!!! With a brief announcement ("same record, different track"), they follow with 'SoL&T.' 'Mankind' is introduced by Stone saying, "Well, since we're playing every song in the catalog..." 'Baba' is intro'd as being a response to "corporate rock bands who make the mistake of trying to cover a real rock song." 'Indifference' is played with an ecstatic Ben Harper (who has been including 'Indifference' at some of his shows). During 'Alive,' Ed makes four attempts to toss his microphone over the vocal monitor rig above his head, and finally gets it over, but instead of just standing there, he proceeds to CLIMB UP THE MIC CORD and hang there for the rest of the song. 

    Possibly the best show the band has ever played in their life. Period. (And they knew it, too.)

    "This here's a REQUEST!"
    EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
    10/25/13 Hartford
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 92,795
    +1 & I didn't even attend the show.
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,326
    I guess you never know what they have planned. Or do we? 
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  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Australia Posts: 4,344
    Well, with the Yield Anniversary upon us who knows what might be made available. Take my money! 
    Melbourne #1 '98
    Melbourne #2 '03
    Melbourne #3 '03
    Melbourne #1 '06
    Melbourne #3 '06
    Melbourne '09
    Melbourne '14
  • ceskaceska New York Posts: 1,120
    edited January 2023
    It is unclear if a full professional recording, or one of standard release quality, even exists:

    ” It wasnt mike and stone on reddit, it was in the most recent issue of Deep that dropped last week. An interview with Brett Eliason. 

    The show was recorded, it is unclear whether the encore was not recorded in multi track or the whole show was not. In either case, Brett would have been running a FOH board feed, much like the back half of Vault 7 from Soldier Field, where the vinyl does not include the entire encore, but it is on the digital and CD from the FOH board feed.”

    From https://www.reddit.com/r/PearlJamBootlegs/comments/fzsscr/september_11th_1998_at_madison_square_garden_new/

  • js87130js87130 Posts: 89
    I completely endorse this idea.  I wasn't at this show either but the 5H review was spot on.  Have wanted an official release of this one for a while.
  • RiotAct10RiotAct10 Ohio Posts: 1,620
    edited January 2023
    This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

    Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
    Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.
    Post edited by RiotAct10 on
    words seem so out of place.

    8.21.00 Columbus | 6.24.03 Columbus | 7.9.03 NYC | 10.2.04 Toledo | 9.11.05 Kitchener | 5.20.06 Cleveland | 8.5.07 Chicago | 5.6.10 Columbus | 5.7.10 Noblesville | 5.9.10 Cleveland | 9.3.11 East Troy | 9.4.11 East Troy | 7.19.13 Chicago | 10.11.13 Pittsburgh | 10.1.14 Cincinnati | 4.8.16 Ft. Lauderdale | 4.9.16 Miami | 8.8.18 Seattle | 8.10.18 Seattle | 9.26.21 Dana Point | 10.1.21 Dana Point | 10.2.21 Dana Point | 9.16.22 Nashville | 9.17.22 Louisville | 9.18.22 St. Louis | 9.2.23 St. Paul | 9.15.23 Ft. Worth | 6.22.24 Dublin | 8.26.24 Noblesville | 9.27.24 Dana Point | 9.29.24 Dana Point
    6.26.11 Detroit (EdVed) | 9.23.17 Louisville (EdVed) | 9.25.21 Dana Point (EdVed) | 10.01.22 Dana Point (EdVed) | 2.6.22 Newark (EdVed)
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,326
    Yep, band didn’t record it & no way they work with an AUD version to officially put out. Sucks, but there are some real gems between 96-98 that would be strong subs. 
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  • MUZIKMUZIK Posts: 629
    It’s definitely unfortunate however there is a very good 8.5/10 AUD recording that has recently made its rounds the passed few years.
    09.11.98, 08.24.00, 08.25.00, 04.30.03, 07.08.03, 07.08.03, 09.15.05, 09.16.05, 09.19.05, 09.30.05, 10.01.05, 05.12.06, 05.13.06, 05.25.06, 05.27.06, 05.28.06, 06.01.06, 06.03.06, 06.19.08, 06.20.08, 06.22.08, 06.24.08, 06.25.08, 06.27.08, 06.28.08, 06.30.08, 07.01.08, 08.05.08, 08.07.08, 10.27.09, 10.30.09, 10.31.09, 05.18.10, 05.20.10, 05.21.10, 10.15.13, 10.18.13, 10,19,13, 9.23.15, 9.26.15, 04.28.16, 04.29.16, 05.01.16, 05.02.16, 05.06.22, 05.07.22, 09.14.22
  • fall by the waysidefall by the wayside Jericho, VT Posts: 757
    RiotAct10 said:
    This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

    Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
    Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.
    This should be stickied around here it comes up so often, lol
    9/13/98, 10/4/00, 4/29/03, 6/29/03, 7/2/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 9/15/05, 9/16/05, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/15/10, 9/11/11, 9/12/11, 10/19/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 10/25/13, 10/27/13, 9/26/15, 4/28/16, 4/29/16, 8/5/16, 8/7/16, 8/13/18, 9/2/18, 9/4/18, 9/26/21, 9/1/22, 9/2/22, 9/14/22, 9/18/23, 9/19/23, 9/7/24, 9/9/24, 9/12/24, 9/15/24, 9/17/24
  • fafane45fafane45 Posts: 90
    A Jack Iron's show would be brilliant IMO
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 92,795
    fafane45 said:
    A Jack Iron's show would be brilliant IMO

    It would be but the 9/11/98 show? I mean come in. That's a show that HAS to be included in a Yield Box Set if that ever gets released.
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Australia Posts: 4,344
    fall by the wayside said:
    RiotAct10 said:
    This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

    Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
    Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.
    This should be stickied around here it comes up so often, lol
    I find this staggering! A band playing a show have to pay to record it!? 

    Can someone tell me why!? Anyone with any knowledge in this area!? 
    Melbourne #1 '98
    Melbourne #2 '03
    Melbourne #3 '03
    Melbourne #1 '06
    Melbourne #3 '06
    Melbourne '09
    Melbourne '14
  • fafane45fafane45 Posts: 90
    demetrios said:
    fafane45 said:
    A Jack Iron's show would be brilliant IMO

    It would be but the 9/11/98 show? I mean come in. That's a show that HAS to be included in a Yield Box Set if that ever gets released.

    I agree. If the show that would be released could

    remixed by Josh Evans and

    remastered by Rachel Field 

  • js87130js87130 Posts: 89
    BrainofBGA said:
    fall by the wayside said:
    RiotAct10 said:
    This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

    Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
    Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.
    This should be stickied around here it comes up so often, lol
    I find this staggering! A band playing a show have to pay to record it!? 

    Can someone tell me why!? Anyone with any knowledge in this area!? 
    I'd like to know why as well.  This does not seem like a legit answer.  Surely PJ could have afforded that in 1998.  And this was the first time they played MSG as a full band according to the Tour History Database on this website..  You're telling me that union fees prevented them from recording their first time playing at MSG, one of the most famous arenas in the world?  Come on.  Apparently they paid it in 2003 because we have that MSG recording.  This just doesn't pass the smell test.
  • axeljohanaxeljohan Posts: 461
    js87130 said:
    BrainofBGA said:
    fall by the wayside said:
    RiotAct10 said:
    This is from Deep issue 15 from 2018:

    Some fans have wondered why the famous version of “Breath” from the second Madison Square Garden show wasn’t included [on Live on Two Legs].
    Brett Eliason: Well, New York City unions charge 10 or 12 grand to record, so we didn’t record it! There were a couple of shows along those lines. Montreal was the same thing. They wanted a ton of money. Sadly, those end up being some of the best shows. This was at a point where we didn’t even know we were working on a live record. Was it worth it dollar-wise to pay all that money just to have some tapes sit in a vault? Turns out maybe, but that’s hindsight.
    This should be stickied around here it comes up so often, lol
    I find this staggering! A band playing a show have to pay to record it!? 

    Can someone tell me why!? Anyone with any knowledge in this area!? 
    I'd like to know why as well.  This does not seem like a legit answer.  Surely PJ could have afforded that in 1998.  And this was the first time they played MSG as a full band according to the Tour History Database on this website..  You're telling me that union fees prevented them from recording their first time playing at MSG, one of the most famous arenas in the world?  Come on.  Apparently they paid it in 2003 because we have that MSG recording.  This just doesn't pass the smell test.
    Well in 2003, they knew that they can use the recording, since they sold their official bootlegs at that time. In 1998, it would have been another concert for the vault.
  • fall by the waysidefall by the wayside Jericho, VT Posts: 757
    js87130 said:

    I'd like to know why as well.  This does not seem like a legit answer.  Surely PJ could have afforded that in 1998.  And this was the first time they played MSG as a full band according to the Tour History Database on this website..  You're telling me that union fees prevented them from recording their first time playing at MSG, one of the most famous arenas in the world?  Come on.  Apparently they paid it in 2003 because we have that MSG recording.  This just doesn't pass the smell test.
    LOL what? Brett Eliason clearly explained it. You do realize that at this point in time the band had never released a live album or live show at all? Live on 2 Legs was originally supposed to be the complete Constitution Hall show. They didn’t record MSG because the cost made no sense since there were no plans to release the material. They were still two years away from official bootlegs, which were completely revolutionary at the time. I’d love to hear it too, but this isn’t some conspiracy. Eliason has no reason to lie about this. 
    9/13/98, 10/4/00, 4/29/03, 6/29/03, 7/2/03, 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 9/15/05, 9/16/05, 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 5/15/10, 9/11/11, 9/12/11, 10/19/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 10/25/13, 10/27/13, 9/26/15, 4/28/16, 4/29/16, 8/5/16, 8/7/16, 8/13/18, 9/2/18, 9/4/18, 9/26/21, 9/1/22, 9/2/22, 9/14/22, 9/18/23, 9/19/23, 9/7/24, 9/9/24, 9/12/24, 9/15/24, 9/17/24
  • RS65573RS65573 Posts: 2,486
    I don't believe it is a conspiracy, I just think they recorded and didn't tell anyone due to the union issues. I have played out maybe 12 times in my life, I recorded them. 0 chance they didn't record MSG.

    And if they said heck lets ignore the biggest show we've ever played at the time, then for the love of god, compile all the audience recording, use that new MS AI that redoes audio in 3 seconds and get it done.
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 92,795
    RS65573 said:

    And if they said heck lets ignore the biggest show we've ever played at the time, then for the love of god, compile all the audience recording, use that new MS AI that redoes audio in 3 seconds and get it done.
    Yes please! Us fans will take anything.
    Make it happen!
  • js87130js87130 Posts: 89
    RS65573 said:
    I don't believe it is a conspiracy, I just think they recorded and didn't tell anyone due to the union issues. I have played out maybe 12 times in my life, I recorded them. 0 chance they didn't record MSG.

    And if they said heck lets ignore the biggest show we've ever played at the time, then for the love of god, compile all the audience recording, use that new MS AI that redoes audio in 3 seconds and get it done.
    This is exactly what I’m thinking. I don’t think there’s any conspiracy. Maybe Eliason is being tight-lipped for a reason. I don’t know. I just can’t imagine being in a band and letting a union issue prevent you from recording your first shows at a venue like this. I could be totally wrong. It just seems like something you would go out of your way to document. 
  • treestrees Columbus OHIO Posts: 1,879
    This is a great idea plus those late 90s shows with Irions and then Matt Cameron should get vaulted 


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  • OfThePearlOfThePearl Posts: 822
    YES  YES  YES  ! ! !
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 92,795
    trees said:
    This is a great idea plus those late 90s shows with Irions and then Matt Cameron should get vaulted 

    Yes they should.

    How sweet it would be if the band could release their '95, '96 & '98 tours on CD & digital download. And a few of them shows on vinyl.


  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,150
    demetrios said:
    trees said:
    This is a great idea plus those late 90s shows with Irions and then Matt Cameron should get vaulted 

    Yes they should.

    How sweet it would be if the band could release their '95, '96 & '98 tours on CD & digital download. And a few of them shows on vinyl.


    You forgot to mention they should randomly sign some copies!
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore


  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,911
    Crazy that not playing a song in 4 years made it a begged for rarity. 

    Now people are striving to hear Evenflow live every 4 years.
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  • Nick NamenoneNick Namenone Posts: 72
    to those asking why venues charge and stealth recordings at places like MSG.  Stealth recording.  If you get caught you pay huge fines.  Union houses that charge to record.  Not 100% sure but a few reasons I have heard are that they are essentially charging you to put the sound of the venue on your recording.  I don't think they put it like that but the thinking is you want to use a recording to make money off our name/venue we want some extra money for it.  Also if a show is being recorded they need to bring in another union that covers the recording aspect of it.  A venue like MSG or Radio City Music Hall has some cachet to it and they charge accordingly.
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 92,795
    on2legs said:
    demetrios said:
    trees said:
    This is a great idea plus those late 90s shows with Irions and then Matt Cameron should get vaulted 

    Yes they should.

    How sweet it would be if the band could release their '95, '96 & '98 tours on CD & digital download. And a few of them shows on vinyl.


    You forgot to mention they should randomly sign some copies!


  • ceskaceska New York Posts: 1,120
    Nick Namenone said:
    to those asking why venues charge and stealth recordings at places like MSG.  Stealth recording.  If you get caught you pay huge fines.  Union houses that charge to record.  Not 100% sure but a few reasons I have heard are that they are essentially charging you to put the sound of the venue on your recording.  I don't think they put it like that but the thinking is you want to use a recording to make money off our name/venue we want some extra money for it.  Also if a show is being recorded they need to bring in another union that covers the recording aspect of it.  A venue like MSG or Radio City Music Hall has some cachet to it and they charge accordingly.

    Yes, and the Union guys have to get paid to press the Record button. Town Hall in NYC is another strict Union venue. Wilco/Tweedy have played there a few times and none of those shows have been Roadcased either.
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Australia Posts: 4,344
    Nick Namenone said:
    to those asking why venues charge and stealth recordings at places like MSG.  Stealth recording.  If you get caught you pay huge fines.  Union houses that charge to record.  Not 100% sure but a few reasons I have heard are that they are essentially charging you to put the sound of the venue on your recording.  I don't think they put it like that but the thinking is you want to use a recording to make money off our name/venue we want some extra money for it.  Also if a show is being recorded they need to bring in another union that covers the recording aspect of it.  A venue like MSG or Radio City Music Hall has some cachet to it and they charge accordingly.
    Thanks for clarifying this! 
    Melbourne #1 '98
    Melbourne #2 '03
    Melbourne #3 '03
    Melbourne #1 '06
    Melbourne #3 '06
    Melbourne '09
    Melbourne '14
  • RS65573RS65573 Posts: 2,486
    Nick Namenone said:
    to those asking why venues charge and stealth recordings at places like MSG.  Stealth recording.  If you get caught you pay huge fines.  Union houses that charge to record.  Not 100% sure but a few reasons I have heard are that they are essentially charging you to put the sound of the venue on your recording.  I don't think they put it like that but the thinking is you want to use a recording to make money off our name/venue we want some extra money for it.  Also if a show is being recorded they need to bring in another union that covers the recording aspect of it.  A venue like MSG or Radio City Music Hall has some cachet to it and they charge accordingly.
    Thanks for the info. Then in your opinion would a band be able. if they have their own equipment, to set that up without incident or would that be impossible?
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