"WTF was I singing???" Realizing lyrics of songs you've sung for ages

JH6056

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

brianlux

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

JH6056

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

Wow, I've never heard that song before but YEAH, that is very very clear & direct. "She was born to be loved / And I can't wait to bury her down" it's a theme in SO MANY songs! I'm glad I didn't understand them when I was singing them waaay back then...

brianlux

JH6056 said:

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

Wow, I've never heard that song before but YEAH, that is very very clear & direct. "She was born to be loved / And I can't wait to bury her down" it's a theme in SO MANY songs! I'm glad I didn't understand them when I was singing them waaay back then...

Same here.  Back when my interest in music really started to pick up steam, it was mostly about the music.  I would even say I was kind of naive that way.  I mean, Led Zeppelin's Robert Plant screaming about... well, you know, "The Lemon Song".  Yikes!  I never even thought about it.  I probably just thought it was about making lemonade or something.   Now I hear those lyrics and it's like, WHAT THE? 

JH6056

I didn't know the Lemon Song, just looked at the lyrics... yeah, the actual lemon part is pretty clear as an adult (can totally see not thinking much of it in youth!).  But does him being "on the killing floor" mean he's about to die because he killed her? And does he say he killed his children or is going to?  Yeah that's all very chilling...

mickeyrat

JH6056 said:

I didn't know the Lemon Song, just looked at the lyrics... yeah, the actual lemon part is pretty clear as an adult (can totally see not thinking much of it in youth!).  But does him being "on the killing floor" mean he's about to die because he killed her? And does he say he killed his children or is going to?  Yeah that's all very chilling...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Floor_(Howlin'_Wolf_song)

JH6056

mickeyrat said:

JH6056 said:

I didn't know the Lemon Song, just looked at the lyrics... yeah, the actual lemon part is pretty clear as an adult (can totally see not thinking much of it in youth!).  But does him being "on the killing floor" mean he's about to die because he killed her? And does he say he killed his children or is going to?  Yeah that's all very chilling...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Floor_(Howlin'_Wolf_song)

Thank you, that clears it all up! I knew about the animal killing floor, but always thought in blues songs it meant killing your partner, now I get it's more the partner feeling like their partner is trying to kill them but they get away.

Funny about that article/explanation, I went from being super-impressed with Led Zep because at first it sounded like right from the start they gave Howlin' Wolf a songwriting credit.  But then it sounds like even though they used the exact same opening words and the song is clearly a redo of Killin' Floor, Howlin Wolf's publishing company had to sue Led Zep to get the co-credit.  So not so impressed now (would've been so cool if they did that on their own at first, right from the start, to honor their major influence).

Interesting about the song, thank you!

hrd2imgn

Blinded by the light.  Wrapped up like a douche..

JH6056

hrd2imgn said:

Blinded by the light.  Wrapped up like a douche..

Yup, and I have NO idea what the next line is at all "Another roller in the night"?

Poncier

JH6056 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Blinded by the light.  Wrapped up like a douche..

Yup, and I have NO idea what the next line is at all "Another roller in the night"?

Revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night

brianlux

hrd2imgn said:

Blinded by the light.  Wrapped up like a douche..

Exactly how I heard it...

Poncier said:

JH6056 said:

hrd2imgn said:

Blinded by the light.  Wrapped up like a douche..

Yup, and I have NO idea what the next line is at all "Another roller in the night"?

Revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night

... until, believe it or not, just recently when that song came up somewhere in conversation and I decided to Google the lyrics.

Bottom line though for me is that I still can't stand listening to  that song.   Just not my thing, and I don't think the "deuce" sounding like "douche" is simply a coincidence.  Dude rock-- uhhh!

eeriepadave

Beastie Boys "Hey Ladies" there's one line i always thought was this:

..... Tom Foolery
women on tv wear their hair like Chuck Woolery

it actually goes:

Date women on T.V. with the help of Chuck Woolery

I still hear my version everytime though and i think it's better angry: 

Another one. The Offspring's "Genocide. Thought he said :

"Donkey Kong everyday with our fellow man we play

real lyrics:

Dog eat dog Everyday
On our fellow man we prey

2-feign-reluctance

The Knack, just don’t know what to say. So catchy, so non-consensual. 

JH6056

eeriepadave said:

Beastie Boys "Hey Ladies" there's one line i always thought was this:

..... Tom Foolery
women on tv wear their hair like Chuck Woolery

it actually goes:

Date women on T.V. with the help of Chuck Woolery

I still hear my version everytime though and i think it's better angry: 

Another one. The Offspring's "Genocide. Thought he said :

"Donkey Kong everyday with our fellow man we play

real lyrics:

Dog eat dog Everyday
On our fellow man we prey

I thought the Beastie's lyric was "Meeting women on t.v. with the help of Chuck Woolery", although I do definitely agree that "women wearing  HAIR like Chuck Woolery" is a far sexier, more fashionable lyric!

JH6056

2-feign-reluctance said:

The Knack, just don’t know what to say. So catchy, so non-consensual. 

Riiiight?!  Also so memorable, so illegal, so immoral...

Poncier

2-feign-reluctance said:

The Knack, just don’t know what to say. So catchy, so non-consensual. 

The lyrics to "Good Girls Don't" are just good clean fun (if you're Matt Gaetz):

She's your adolescent dream
School boy stuff
A sticky, sweet romance
And she makes you wanna scream
Wishing you could get inside her pants

So you fantasise away
While you're squeezing her
You thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do

So you call her on the phone
To talk about the teachers that you hate
And she says she's all alone
And her parents won't be coming home 'til late

There's a ringing in your brain
'Cause you could have swore
You thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do

And it's a teenage sadness
Everyone has got to taste
An in-between age madness
That you know you can't erase
'Til she's sitting on your face

You're alone with her at last
And you're waiting 'til you think the time is right
'Cause you've heard she's pretty fast
And you're hoping that she'll give you some tonight

So, you start to make your play
'Cause you could have swore
You thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do

And it's a teenage sadness
Everyone has got to taste
An in-between age madness
That you know you can't erase
'Til she's sitting on your face
(And it hurts)

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do
But I do
But I do
But I do

JH6056

Poncier said:

2-feign-reluctance said:

The Knack, just don’t know what to say. So catchy, so non-consensual. 

The lyrics to "Good Girls Don't" are just good clean fun (if you're Matt Gaetz):

She's your adolescent dream
School boy stuff
A sticky, sweet romance
And she makes you wanna scream
Wishing you could get inside her pants

So you fantasise away
While you're squeezing her
You thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do

So you call her on the phone
To talk about the teachers that you hate
And she says she's all alone
And her parents won't be coming home 'til late

There's a ringing in your brain
'Cause you could have swore
You thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do

And it's a teenage sadness
Everyone has got to taste
An in-between age madness
That you know you can't erase
'Til she's sitting on your face

You're alone with her at last
And you're waiting 'til you think the time is right
'Cause you've heard she's pretty fast
And you're hoping that she'll give you some tonight

So, you start to make your play
'Cause you could have swore
You thought you heard her saying

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do

And it's a teenage sadness
Everyone has got to taste
An in-between age madness
That you know you can't erase
'Til she's sitting on your face
(And it hurts)

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do

Good girls don't
Good girls don't
But, she'll be telling you
Good girls don't
But I do
But I do
But I do
But I do

Wow, when I mentioned it above I was just thinking about the whole "Good girls don't... but I do" part, but now that you've posted the lyrics, AGAIN it is all about moving forward WITHOUT CONSENT.  "Cause you could have swore, you thought you heard her saying..." when actually she was not saying it.  I totally missed that until you posted it here!

tempo_n_groove

eeriepadave said:

Beastie Boys "Hey Ladies" there's one line i always thought was this:

..... Tom Foolery
women on tv wear their hair like Chuck Woolery

it actually goes:

Date women on T.V. with the help of Chuck Woolery

I still hear my version everytime though and i think it's better angry: 

Another one. The Offspring's "Genocide. Thought he said :

"Donkey Kong everyday with our fellow man we play

real lyrics:

Dog eat dog Everyday
On our fellow man we prey

I listened to that album so much I actually knew the lyrics.  When I first heard Looking Down The Barrel Of A Gun there is a part that MCA says "Life comes in phases like moo goo gai pan"

I listened closer because that didn't sound right, lol.  It's actually 'Life comes in phases you take good w the bad"

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

So in the Create a 5 song playlist thread I did this...

Mention of "Little girl" in song somewhere... I know there are more, I have always found the term weird for an adult to say and be recorded...

Whiskey Bar- The Doors
Magic Carpet Ride- Steppin Wolf
Little bitty pretty one- Thurston Harris
Little Girl- Syndicate of Sound
I'm on Fire- Bruce Springsteen

 Quote

She's only 17 is a song title by Winger I think?  Hold on to 18 is by Black n Blue.  A line in the Chilli peppers song says "I like but, she little".

There are a bunch of songs out there with questionable lyrics...

JH6056

tempo_n_groove said:

eeriepadave said:

Beastie Boys "Hey Ladies" there's one line i always thought was this:

..... Tom Foolery
women on tv wear their hair like Chuck Woolery

it actually goes:

Date women on T.V. with the help of Chuck Woolery

I still hear my version everytime though and i think it's better angry: 

Another one. The Offspring's "Genocide. Thought he said :

"Donkey Kong everyday with our fellow man we play

real lyrics:

Dog eat dog Everyday
On our fellow man we prey

I listened to that album so much I actually knew the lyrics.  When I first heard Looking Down The Barrel Of A Gun there is a part that MCA says "Life comes in phases like moo goo gai pan"

I listened closer because that didn't sound right, lol.  It's actually 'Life comes in phases you take good w the bad"

I think we've got the makings of our own Beastie Boys Mach II song: 

"Meeting women on t.v. with hair like Chuck Woolery
Life comes in phases like Moo Goo Gai Pan"

Ok, maybe still need a little work on the rhyming, but it's a start!

(Btw in the 80s I remember loving Moo Goo Gai Pan, but I don't think I've had it since the 80s)

JH6056

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

So in the Create a 5 song playlist thread I did this...

Mention of "Little girl" in song somewhere... I know there are more, I have always found the term weird for an adult to say and be recorded...

Whiskey Bar- The Doors
Magic Carpet Ride- Steppin Wolf
Little bitty pretty one- Thurston Harris
Little Girl- Syndicate of Sound
I'm on Fire- Bruce Springsteen

 Quote

She's only 17 is a song title by Winger I think?  Hold on to 18 is by Black n Blue.  A line in the Chilli peppers song says "I like but, she little".

There are a bunch of songs out there with questionable lyrics...

Good search! And then there's some infamous song, I'm blanking on the title but it's a Rolling Stones song (I mean, aside from Brown Sugar, don't get me started on "Brown Sugar/How come you taste so good/Brown Sugar/Just like a Black girl should" and the whole literal slavery lyrics!!!) but another: It's "Stray Cat Blues" with, by the time the Stones toured on "Beggars Banquet" album which it's on, they were singing this:

Stray Cat Blues

Song by The Rolling Stones

Lyrics

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're THIRTEEN YEARS OLD [Original lyrics 15 but they LOWERED it to 13]
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat

I bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother

Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh, yeah
Woo!

I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all awful, but that line "Don't look so scared / I'm no mad-brained bear" followed by basically "But I'm not going to jail or getting sentenced to hanging for it, so I'm gonna do it anyway", the fact that she (because he did write it about a specific girl say numerous sources) KNEW she was scared just pisses me off no end.

Just found this article about the whole dynamic and how most rockstars of that era were "forgiven" in that "Oh that's just how it was then" attitude:

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-lyrics-stray-cat-blues-underage-groupies/

tempo_n_groove

JH6056 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

So in the Create a 5 song playlist thread I did this...

Mention of "Little girl" in song somewhere... I know there are more, I have always found the term weird for an adult to say and be recorded...

Whiskey Bar- The Doors
Magic Carpet Ride- Steppin Wolf
Little bitty pretty one- Thurston Harris
Little Girl- Syndicate of Sound
I'm on Fire- Bruce Springsteen

 Quote

She's only 17 is a song title by Winger I think?  Hold on to 18 is by Black n Blue.  A line in the Chilli peppers song says "I like but, she little".

There are a bunch of songs out there with questionable lyrics...

Good search! And then there's some infamous song, I'm blanking on the title but it's a Rolling Stones song (I mean, aside from Brown Sugar, don't get me started on "Brown Sugar/How come you taste so good/Brown Sugar/Just like a Black girl should" and the whole literal slavery lyrics!!!) but another: It's "Stray Cat Blues" with, by the time the Stones toured on "Beggars Banquet" album which it's on, they were singing this:

Stray Cat Blues

Song by The Rolling Stones

Lyrics

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're THIRTEEN YEARS OLD [Original lyrics 15 but they LOWERED it to 13]
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat

I bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother

Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh, yeah
Woo!

I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all awful, but that line "Don't look so scared / I'm no mad-brained bear" followed by basically "But I'm not going to jail or getting sentenced to hanging for it, so I'm gonna do it anyway", the fact that she (because he did write it about a specific girl say numerous sources) KNEW she was scared just pisses me off no end.

Just found this article about the whole dynamic and how most rockstars of that era were "forgiven" in that "Oh that's just how it was then" attitude:

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-lyrics-stray-cat-blues-underage-groupies/

I know if I really think about it I'd find some other songs that were disturbing but never really LISTENED to it that way.  When you're younger things just roll off you I guess?

For groupies and debauchery Motley Crue and Poison are on the tops of those lists.  Poison would record what they did.  Motley Crue were known for outright craziness and like you said, it was "forgiven" back then.  Nowadays you have stars getting nailed for grooming underage girls and they should get in trouble.  That is shady in any form.

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

JH6056 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

So in the Create a 5 song playlist thread I did this...

Mention of "Little girl" in song somewhere... I know there are more, I have always found the term weird for an adult to say and be recorded...

Whiskey Bar- The Doors
Magic Carpet Ride- Steppin Wolf
Little bitty pretty one- Thurston Harris
Little Girl- Syndicate of Sound
I'm on Fire- Bruce Springsteen

 Quote

She's only 17 is a song title by Winger I think?  Hold on to 18 is by Black n Blue.  A line in the Chilli peppers song says "I like but, she little".

There are a bunch of songs out there with questionable lyrics...

Good search! And then there's some infamous song, I'm blanking on the title but it's a Rolling Stones song (I mean, aside from Brown Sugar, don't get me started on "Brown Sugar/How come you taste so good/Brown Sugar/Just like a Black girl should" and the whole literal slavery lyrics!!!) but another: It's "Stray Cat Blues" with, by the time the Stones toured on "Beggars Banquet" album which it's on, they were singing this:

Stray Cat Blues

Song by The Rolling Stones

Lyrics

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're THIRTEEN YEARS OLD [Original lyrics 15 but they LOWERED it to 13]
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat

I bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother

Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh, yeah
Woo!

I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all awful, but that line "Don't look so scared / I'm no mad-brained bear" followed by basically "But I'm not going to jail or getting sentenced to hanging for it, so I'm gonna do it anyway", the fact that she (because he did write it about a specific girl say numerous sources) KNEW she was scared just pisses me off no end.

Just found this article about the whole dynamic and how most rockstars of that era were "forgiven" in that "Oh that's just how it was then" attitude:

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-lyrics-stray-cat-blues-underage-groupies/

I know if I really think about it I'd find some other songs that were disturbing but never really LISTENED to it that way.  When you're younger things just roll off you I guess?

For groupies and debauchery Motley Crue and Poison are on the tops of those lists.  Poison would record what they did.  Motley Crue were known for outright craziness and like you said, it was "forgiven" back then.  Nowadays you have stars getting nailed for grooming underage girls and they should get in trouble.  That is shady in any form.

I think some of the bands from late 60's and 70's far exceeded Motley and Poison in the debauchery department, just not as widely publicized. Zep certainly is up there. Steven Tyler had the parents of a 14 year old sign over guardianship of her so she could live with him. Gene $immon$ of course had his Polaroid collection...and so on.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JH6056 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

So in the Create a 5 song playlist thread I did this...

Mention of "Little girl" in song somewhere... I know there are more, I have always found the term weird for an adult to say and be recorded...

Whiskey Bar- The Doors
Magic Carpet Ride- Steppin Wolf
Little bitty pretty one- Thurston Harris
Little Girl- Syndicate of Sound
I'm on Fire- Bruce Springsteen

 Quote

She's only 17 is a song title by Winger I think?  Hold on to 18 is by Black n Blue.  A line in the Chilli peppers song says "I like but, she little".

There are a bunch of songs out there with questionable lyrics...

Good search! And then there's some infamous song, I'm blanking on the title but it's a Rolling Stones song (I mean, aside from Brown Sugar, don't get me started on "Brown Sugar/How come you taste so good/Brown Sugar/Just like a Black girl should" and the whole literal slavery lyrics!!!) but another: It's "Stray Cat Blues" with, by the time the Stones toured on "Beggars Banquet" album which it's on, they were singing this:

Stray Cat Blues

Song by The Rolling Stones

Lyrics

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're THIRTEEN YEARS OLD [Original lyrics 15 but they LOWERED it to 13]
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat

I bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother

Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh, yeah
Woo!

I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all awful, but that line "Don't look so scared / I'm no mad-brained bear" followed by basically "But I'm not going to jail or getting sentenced to hanging for it, so I'm gonna do it anyway", the fact that she (because he did write it about a specific girl say numerous sources) KNEW she was scared just pisses me off no end.

Just found this article about the whole dynamic and how most rockstars of that era were "forgiven" in that "Oh that's just how it was then" attitude:

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-lyrics-stray-cat-blues-underage-groupies/

I know if I really think about it I'd find some other songs that were disturbing but never really LISTENED to it that way.  When you're younger things just roll off you I guess?

For groupies and debauchery Motley Crue and Poison are on the tops of those lists.  Poison would record what they did.  Motley Crue were known for outright craziness and like you said, it was "forgiven" back then.  Nowadays you have stars getting nailed for grooming underage girls and they should get in trouble.  That is shady in any form.

I think some of the bands from late 60's and 70's far exceeded Motley and Poison in the debauchery department, just not as widely publicized. Zep certainly is up there. Steven Tyler had the parents of a 14 year old sign over guardianship of her so she could live with him. Gene $immon$ of course had his Polaroid collection...and so on.

So the movie Almost Famous wasn't exaggerating when they would pass around groupies like a deck of cards?  I never heard that Steven Tyler story before.  Interesting.

W Crue and Poison I was keeping it civil.  Those dudes were pretty bad.

Anthony Keidus was no saint either.  His book tells a lot about him.

JH6056

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JH6056 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

So in the Create a 5 song playlist thread I did this...

Mention of "Little girl" in song somewhere... I know there are more, I have always found the term weird for an adult to say and be recorded...

Whiskey Bar- The Doors
Magic Carpet Ride- Steppin Wolf
Little bitty pretty one- Thurston Harris
Little Girl- Syndicate of Sound
I'm on Fire- Bruce Springsteen

 Quote

She's only 17 is a song title by Winger I think?  Hold on to 18 is by Black n Blue.  A line in the Chilli peppers song says "I like but, she little".

There are a bunch of songs out there with questionable lyrics...

Good search! And then there's some infamous song, I'm blanking on the title but it's a Rolling Stones song (I mean, aside from Brown Sugar, don't get me started on "Brown Sugar/How come you taste so good/Brown Sugar/Just like a Black girl should" and the whole literal slavery lyrics!!!) but another: It's "Stray Cat Blues" with, by the time the Stones toured on "Beggars Banquet" album which it's on, they were singing this:

Stray Cat Blues

Song by The Rolling Stones

Lyrics

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're THIRTEEN YEARS OLD [Original lyrics 15 but they LOWERED it to 13]
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat

I bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother

Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh, yeah
Woo!

I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all awful, but that line "Don't look so scared / I'm no mad-brained bear" followed by basically "But I'm not going to jail or getting sentenced to hanging for it, so I'm gonna do it anyway", the fact that she (because he did write it about a specific girl say numerous sources) KNEW she was scared just pisses me off no end.

Just found this article about the whole dynamic and how most rockstars of that era were "forgiven" in that "Oh that's just how it was then" attitude:

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-lyrics-stray-cat-blues-underage-groupies/

I know if I really think about it I'd find some other songs that were disturbing but never really LISTENED to it that way.  When you're younger things just roll off you I guess?

For groupies and debauchery Motley Crue and Poison are on the tops of those lists.  Poison would record what they did.  Motley Crue were known for outright craziness and like you said, it was "forgiven" back then.  Nowadays you have stars getting nailed for grooming underage girls and they should get in trouble.  That is shady in any form.

I think some of the bands from late 60's and 70's far exceeded Motley and Poison in the debauchery department, just not as widely publicized. Zep certainly is up there. Steven Tyler had the parents of a 14 year old sign over guardianship of her so she could live with him. Gene $immon$ of course had his Polaroid collection...and so on.

Whoa, I don't think I heard the Steven Tyler "having parents sign over guardianship so a 14 yr old could live with him" story either but I fully believe it. And it's like WTF are the parents thinking???  That's how crazy and messed up fame can get, when parents think that's the thing to do because, hey, it's Aerosmith...

I was never a groupie and my parents never threatened legal action against anyone, but I was incredibly lucky as a young girl to fall in with a band I still respect to this day (not together anymore but they were a force to be reckoned with) and so I did develop a social world that had a LOT of musicians in it.  I remember being at another band's show (an 80s band that's still touring, but more new wave than rock or metal) and beign there before a show when the parents of the singer's 16 yr old girlfriend showed up with state troopers to retrieve her and the tour manager had to get the band's lawyer on the phone to keep the singer from being arrested... Yes, I witnessed part of that interaction with my own young eyes. I saw many things that were "Almost Famous"-story-worthy.  Lucky for me my friends looked out for me and I didn't take any shit.

I will say this about Motley Crue and I've told this story here before I think, but i was at Coachella maybe 2005ish, and I was about to walk across the main lawn from one main stage to another when a guy speeds by me on a motorized skateboard and almost knocks me over.  Me being the New Yorker I am, I go into full "cranky old man on his porch" mode and yell after him "WTF! You can't ride that here, you're gonna knock someone over or run over a kid!" And the guy who was already a good distance ahead stopped, got off his skateboard, picked it up, and walked back to me and said "I'm sorry, you're right. I won't ride in the crowd anymore. Sorry!" and he walked away. And I was stunned but called after a weaker "That's right, don't let it happen again!" and then turned to the person next to me and said "Holy shit, Tommy Lee just apologized to me after I yelled at him!" because it was indeed Tommy Lee.  So I know they got up to a lot of bad stuff, and probably hurt a lot of women, but I'd be lying if I didnt' admit to a little soft spot in my heart for Lee because he was very sincere in his apology and I never saw him ride it again that Coachella

JH6056

On Anthony Kiedis, I didn't read his book but I was looking at the setlists from early RHCP shows I saw and couldn't believe there was a song called something like "Sexy Mexican Maid" or something? Geesh...

JH6056

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JH6056 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

So in the Create a 5 song playlist thread I did this...

Mention of "Little girl" in song somewhere... I know there are more, I have always found the term weird for an adult to say and be recorded...

Whiskey Bar- The Doors
Magic Carpet Ride- Steppin Wolf
Little bitty pretty one- Thurston Harris
Little Girl- Syndicate of Sound
I'm on Fire- Bruce Springsteen

 Quote

She's only 17 is a song title by Winger I think?  Hold on to 18 is by Black n Blue.  A line in the Chilli peppers song says "I like but, she little".

There are a bunch of songs out there with questionable lyrics...

Good search! And then there's some infamous song, I'm blanking on the title but it's a Rolling Stones song (I mean, aside from Brown Sugar, don't get me started on "Brown Sugar/How come you taste so good/Brown Sugar/Just like a Black girl should" and the whole literal slavery lyrics!!!) but another: It's "Stray Cat Blues" with, by the time the Stones toured on "Beggars Banquet" album which it's on, they were singing this:

Stray Cat Blues

Song by The Rolling Stones

Lyrics

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're THIRTEEN YEARS OLD [Original lyrics 15 but they LOWERED it to 13]
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat

I bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother

Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh, yeah
Woo!

I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all awful, but that line "Don't look so scared / I'm no mad-brained bear" followed by basically "But I'm not going to jail or getting sentenced to hanging for it, so I'm gonna do it anyway", the fact that she (because he did write it about a specific girl say numerous sources) KNEW she was scared just pisses me off no end.

Just found this article about the whole dynamic and how most rockstars of that era were "forgiven" in that "Oh that's just how it was then" attitude:

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-lyrics-stray-cat-blues-underage-groupies/

I know if I really think about it I'd find some other songs that were disturbing but never really LISTENED to it that way.  When you're younger things just roll off you I guess?

For groupies and debauchery Motley Crue and Poison are on the tops of those lists.  Poison would record what they did.  Motley Crue were known for outright craziness and like you said, it was "forgiven" back then.  Nowadays you have stars getting nailed for grooming underage girls and they should get in trouble.  That is shady in any form.

I think some of the bands from late 60's and 70's far exceeded Motley and Poison in the debauchery department, just not as widely publicized. Zep certainly is up there. Steven Tyler had the parents of a 14 year old sign over guardianship of her so she could live with him. Gene $immon$ of course had his Polaroid collection...and so on.

So the movie Almost Famous wasn't exaggerating when they would pass around groupies like a deck of cards?  I never heard that Steven Tyler story before.  Interesting.

W Crue and Poison I was keeping it civil.  Those dudes were pretty bad.

Anthony Keidus was no saint either.  His book tells a lot about him.

I think every single storyline in Almost Famous happened more times than anyone knows. I always said if I ever meet Cameron Crowe, I want to ask about the whole "Spend lots of time with a band, write an honest story, band feels totally betrayed because you name drugs and side girlfriends/groupies" because I worked (as part of the production staff, to be clear!) at a show in the late 80s/early 90s and when the band arrived they were in FOUL moods. After the show one band member got annoyed with an after show guest and pushed him backwards and he almost fell down some stairs.  I was like "What the HELL are these guys always like this?" and their tour manager told me "They are really upset. We let a journalist into our inner circle and took him on tour with us and everything... and we just got an advance copy of the story he wrote, he tells a lot of details we never thought he'd actually write..." and the mag was Rolling Stone.

But even that exact scenario probably happened multiple times, to multiple bands and journalists, so what I saw may not have at all been a band that happened to Crowe with.  

I wanna know if any band ever got their band t-shirts printed only to find the singer in the foreground the only clear image, and the band all in the back blurry & in the shadows! That cracked me up!  Wait, was it the singer or the guitar player in Stillwater who was foreground?

Poncier

Doing a Google search and there's conflicting reports of whether the girl was 14 or 16, but the story is Tyler became her legal guardian, impregnated her and she had an abortion, then he basically sent her back to her mother. Her name is Julia Holcomb.

And I've read Kiedis' book, he certainly is no saint and I've read The Dirt and know a lot of the Crue stuff, but to piggyback on the Tommy lee skateboard story, I've met Nikki Sixx and he couldn't have been a nicer guy. Plus, if you follow his socials, he's very supportive of folks regarding getting sober whenever they reach out to him. 

But bottom line is lots of these rock stars who get idolized have done lots of bad stuff.

JH6056

Poncier said:

Doing a Google search and there's conflicting reports of whether the girl was 14 or 16, but the story is Tyler became her legal guardian, impregnated her and she had an abortion, then he basically sent her back to her mother. Her name is Julia Holcomb.

And I've read Kiedis' book, he certainly is no saint and I've read The Dirt and know a lot of the Crue stuff, but to piggyback on the Tommy lee skateboard story, I've met Nikki Sixx and he couldn't have been a nicer guy. Plus, if you follow his socials, he's very supportive of folks regarding getting sober whenever they reach out to him. 

But bottom line is lots of these rock stars who get idolized have done lots of bad stuff.

That's cool about Nikki Sixx. I know someone who knew Crue well "back in the day" and she has creepy story after creepy story, but hopefully maybe they've realized some stuff was seriously bad news, and yeah if they're now doing good stuff and supportive of better choices, we're all human so that is to be respected.  A few of them (rockstars, not Crue specifically) seem to have never learned though and justify their actions to this day.  I was so glad the Stones took "Brown Sugar" out of their setlists, but Keith Richards tried to seriously call it a "historical, documentary-like" song and I wanted to hunt him down and hit him over the head with Tommy Lee's motorized skateboard. 

But there's a reason they say "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely".  Because it's true in so many cases, and is a big reason we're all still fans of this band PJ because no one is perfect, no one is a saint whether famous or not, but it is SO MUCH HARDER to keep your values and your wits and your actions in line when the world worships you and everyone wants part of you. It's so hard to keep your sense of self in check.  PJ is one of the few bands that got to that insane level of fame and worked and worked to keep their sanity in check. And to try to be good to people often taken for granted as a band rises.  And to keep trying to make relevant music.

Also, as many big rockstars are there are that've done bad things, wow are there some lesser rockstars who've done even WORSE! Something about not quite getting to the level of fame you feel you deserve can make some people into serious sadists. Marilyn Manson was super famous but is also a good example of how bad it can get in how you treat people in your private life. And there are other musicians in jail for pedophilia and other sex crimes so... at least once in awhile (sadlly usually only in extreme cases) there is accountability.

tempo_n_groove

JH6056 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JH6056 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

JH6056 said:

Have been watching a lot of "Pluto t.v." lately, the decades music channel, with 70s, 80s & 90s videos in particular. 

Recently saw The Knack's "My Sharona" video. I've known all the words for as long as I can remember, but something about watching the singer sing the lyrics as I sung them, I suddenly caught lines in the chorus like it was my first time hearing it:

"Ooh my little pretty one, my pretty one.
When you gonna give me some time, Sharona?
Ooh you make my motor run, my motor run.
Gun it comin' off the line Sharona
Never gonna stop, give it up.
Such a dirty mind.
I always get it up
For the touch
Of the younger kind.
My my my i yi woo.
M M M My Sharona"

"I ALWAYS GET IT UP   FOR THE TOUCH   OF THE YOUNGER KIND"????  I was like "Holy moly what have I been singing since I was a GIRL myself??? (Never mind that their sequel album was "Good Girls Don't, But I Do"...)  Honestly that song, Ringo Starr's "You're 16, You're Beautiful, & You're Mine" featuring a young woman in pigtails drinking an ice cream soda and him fully bearded and NOT teenage looking, and also Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night": "Don't say a word, my virgin child / Just let your inhibitions run wild / The secret is about to unfold / upstairs before the night's too old" like, wow, older guys with literal GIRLS was such a blatant thing then!

How about you, any songs you sang for years and then suddenly the lyrics hit you differently later in life? (Doesn't have to be crude, just not what you thought)?

It's amazing how many songs slip under the radar like that.  John Mayall has done that a few times.  For example:

"She's Too Young"
Sixteen, she is still in school

I've got to learn to keep it cool
She's too young, but not for me
So with a bit of luck
She will find a way to come to me

Why do people always intervene?
Very soon she'll be seventeen
She's too young to skip town
She was born to be loved
And I can't wait to bury her down

She's beautiful and waits for me
Will our plans ever come to be?
She's too young, so people say
But with the opportunity
She would run to me today

It's not like we don't know kids "fool around" but Mayall was 36 when he wrote that song and was living in Laurel Canyon outside of L.A.   "Umm, John, that actually not legal in the U.S.  No, John, not even 17."

So in the Create a 5 song playlist thread I did this...

Mention of "Little girl" in song somewhere... I know there are more, I have always found the term weird for an adult to say and be recorded...

Whiskey Bar- The Doors
Magic Carpet Ride- Steppin Wolf
Little bitty pretty one- Thurston Harris
Little Girl- Syndicate of Sound
I'm on Fire- Bruce Springsteen

 Quote

She's only 17 is a song title by Winger I think?  Hold on to 18 is by Black n Blue.  A line in the Chilli peppers song says "I like but, she little".

There are a bunch of songs out there with questionable lyrics...

Good search! And then there's some infamous song, I'm blanking on the title but it's a Rolling Stones song (I mean, aside from Brown Sugar, don't get me started on "Brown Sugar/How come you taste so good/Brown Sugar/Just like a Black girl should" and the whole literal slavery lyrics!!!) but another: It's "Stray Cat Blues" with, by the time the Stones toured on "Beggars Banquet" album which it's on, they were singing this:

Stray Cat Blues

Song by The Rolling Stones

Lyrics

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're THIRTEEN YEARS OLD [Original lyrics 15 but they LOWERED it to 13]
No I don't want your I.D.
And I can see that you're so far from home
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat

I bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.
You look so weird and you're so far from home
But you don't really miss your mother

Don't look so scared I'm no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh, yeah
Woo!

I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.
You say you got a friend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's all awful, but that line "Don't look so scared / I'm no mad-brained bear" followed by basically "But I'm not going to jail or getting sentenced to hanging for it, so I'm gonna do it anyway", the fact that she (because he did write it about a specific girl say numerous sources) KNEW she was scared just pisses me off no end.

Just found this article about the whole dynamic and how most rockstars of that era were "forgiven" in that "Oh that's just how it was then" attitude:

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-lyrics-stray-cat-blues-underage-groupies/

I know if I really think about it I'd find some other songs that were disturbing but never really LISTENED to it that way.  When you're younger things just roll off you I guess?

For groupies and debauchery Motley Crue and Poison are on the tops of those lists.  Poison would record what they did.  Motley Crue were known for outright craziness and like you said, it was "forgiven" back then.  Nowadays you have stars getting nailed for grooming underage girls and they should get in trouble.  That is shady in any form.

I think some of the bands from late 60's and 70's far exceeded Motley and Poison in the debauchery department, just not as widely publicized. Zep certainly is up there. Steven Tyler had the parents of a 14 year old sign over guardianship of her so she could live with him. Gene $immon$ of course had his Polaroid collection...and so on.

So the movie Almost Famous wasn't exaggerating when they would pass around groupies like a deck of cards?  I never heard that Steven Tyler story before.  Interesting.

W Crue and Poison I was keeping it civil.  Those dudes were pretty bad.

Anthony Keidus was no saint either.  His book tells a lot about him.

I think every single storyline in Almost Famous happened more times than anyone knows. I always said if I ever meet Cameron Crowe, I want to ask about the whole "Spend lots of time with a band, write an honest story, band feels totally betrayed because you name drugs and side girlfriends/groupies" because I worked (as part of the production staff, to be clear!) at a show in the late 80s/early 90s and when the band arrived they were in FOUL moods. After the show one band member got annoyed with an after show guest and pushed him backwards and he almost fell down some stairs.  I was like "What the HELL are these guys always like this?" and their tour manager told me "They are really upset. We let a journalist into our inner circle and took him on tour with us and everything... and we just got an advance copy of the story he wrote, he tells a lot of details we never thought he'd actually write..." and the mag was Rolling Stone.

But even that exact scenario probably happened multiple times, to multiple bands and journalists, so what I saw may not have at all been a band that happened to Crowe with.  

I wanna know if any band ever got their band t-shirts printed only to find the singer in the foreground the only clear image, and the band all in the back blurry & in the shadows! That cracked me up!  Wait, was it the singer or the guitar player in Stillwater who was foreground?

Guitarist was up front.

Didn't something like that happen w the Doors and an album cover?  It went from The Doors to being Jim Morrison and The Doors or some shit and he was the main photo and the band.

MC story again.  Those guys were usually drunk or high so when they were interviewed they gave no "F's".  It is apparent when reading some of their earlier interviews.

Also, you have to start name dropping, you have all these crazy stories and no names to go with it.  I am soooo curious on who did what.

tempo_n_groove

JH6056 said:

Poncier said:

Doing a Google search and there's conflicting reports of whether the girl was 14 or 16, but the story is Tyler became her legal guardian, impregnated her and she had an abortion, then he basically sent her back to her mother. Her name is Julia Holcomb.

And I've read Kiedis' book, he certainly is no saint and I've read The Dirt and know a lot of the Crue stuff, but to piggyback on the Tommy lee skateboard story, I've met Nikki Sixx and he couldn't have been a nicer guy. Plus, if you follow his socials, he's very supportive of folks regarding getting sober whenever they reach out to him. 

But bottom line is lots of these rock stars who get idolized have done lots of bad stuff.

That's cool about Nikki Sixx. I know someone who knew Crue well "back in the day" and she has creepy story after creepy story, but hopefully maybe they've realized some stuff was seriously bad news, and yeah if they're now doing good stuff and supportive of better choices, we're all human so that is to be respected.  A few of them (rockstars, not Crue specifically) seem to have never learned though and justify their actions to this day.  I was so glad the Stones took "Brown Sugar" out of their setlists, but Keith Richards tried to seriously call it a "historical, documentary-like" song and I wanted to hunt him down and hit him over the head with Tommy Lee's motorized skateboard. 

But there's a reason they say "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely".  Because it's true in so many cases, and is a big reason we're all still fans of this band PJ because no one is perfect, no one is a saint whether famous or not, but it is SO MUCH HARDER to keep your values and your wits and your actions in line when the world worships you and everyone wants part of you. It's so hard to keep your sense of self in check.  PJ is one of the few bands that got to that insane level of fame and worked and worked to keep their sanity in check. And to try to be good to people often taken for granted as a band rises.  And to keep trying to make relevant music.

Also, as many big rockstars are there are that've done bad things, wow are there some lesser rockstars who've done even WORSE! Something about not quite getting to the level of fame you feel you deserve can make some people into serious sadists. Marilyn Manson was super famous but is also a good example of how bad it can get in how you treat people in your private life. And there are other musicians in jail for pedophilia and other sex crimes so... at least once in awhile (sadlly usually only in extreme cases) there is accountability.

Gigi Allen...