****UNOFFICIAL OTTAWA COMMUNITY SETLIST THREAD - 09/03/2022****

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  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Posts: 8,935
    Hell the Even Bros drunk dancing is on another level tonight.
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

    1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
  • Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    But these 22 song sets are not better or more focused the the old 30 song sets.  We are losing an average of 7-10 songs and gaining nothing in return.  It’s not going to stop me from going to shows but I’m tired of people pretending it’s not a huge change l.
  • RenfieldRenfield Posts: 1,054
    House lights up
  • MM70435MM70435 Posts: 284
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    well said mortality.  I loved the line "The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over".  I never understood those types.  There are certain songs I love that I have heard before live, and I would rather hear those songs again over a song I have never heard live that I don't like as much.  
    00 - Atlanta                                            10 - MSG I&II    
    03 - Birmingham, Atlanta                       22 - L̶a̶s̶ ̶V̶e̶g̶a̶s̶, Camden, Nashville   
    04 - Asheville, Kissimmee                     23 -  Ft Worth II                                                                                
    08 - Tampa, Columbia                           24 -  Philadelphia I&II, Baltimore
    09 - Atlanta I&II (EV)
                    " if hope could grow from dirt like me. It can be done.
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 5,693
    edited September 2022
    I listen to the 2021-2022 stuff a lot. It's becoming my favorite boot era.

    GTF, Even Flow, Daughter, and a bunch others from '00-'18 are skips for me now.

    They are now the best they've been since each of those songs came out.
    Post edited by Go Animal on
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Go Animal said:
    100 Pacer said:
    Fuck quantity.

    Quality forever.
    100% this.
    Agreed!
    1998: Mansfield, MA (9/15)
    2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
    2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
    2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
    2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
    2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
    2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
    2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
    2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
    2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
    2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
    2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)

  • I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    EV is turning 58. Matt and Jeff are 59. Try to sing with the same energy as Ed or get behind a drum kit for 2+ hours and let me know how you're feeling after. Man, complainers gonna complain. Just go enjoy these shows and the experience of seeing a legendary band with a community of fans like no other. No other band I've seen in the last 15 years are playing 30 songs per night. 
    2008 - Mansfield
    2008 - Montreal (EV Solo)
    2011 - East Troy PJ20
    2011 - Ottawa
    2014 - Denver
    2015 - Rio de Janeiro
    2016 - Toronto x2
    2018 - Boston x2
    2022 - Quebec, Hamilton, Toronto
  • If they just took some of the jams out of some songs like corduroy, and shortened other jams, they could easily add 2-3 songs in the same total set length. 
    Of course. And if they took out Evenflow, they could add 2 of your favorite picks. If they want to jam I want them to jam. The corduroy one can go though... because it's not even a jam, it's a pointless extended breakdown. 
  • LongueuilLongueuil Posts: 2,224
    Fuking up
  • RenfieldRenfield Posts: 1,054
    22. Fuckin Up❤️❤️❤️❤️
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Renfield said:
    22. Fuckin Up❤️❤️❤️❤️
    I haven't heard this live since 2000 such a great cover
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • RenfieldRenfield Posts: 1,054
    static111 said:
    Renfield said:
    22. Fuckin Up❤️❤️❤️❤️
    I haven't heard this live since 2000 such a great cover
    I have only gotten it once live, Krakow '18. I love it!!
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 5,693
    Renfield said:
    22. Fuckin Up❤️❤️❤️❤️
    YUSSZS

    LET THE TAMBOS FLY
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Ok, but when they do play a show thats over 26 songs,

    this place is gonna lose its shit. 

  • I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    EV is turning 58. Matt and Jeff are 59. Try to sing with the same energy as Ed or get behind a drum kit for 2+ hours and let me know how you're feeling after. Man, complainers gonna complain. Just go enjoy these shows and the experience of seeing a legendary band with a community of fans like no other. No other band I've seen in the last 15 years are playing 30 songs per night. 
     Not asking for or even expecting 30 … but 25?  I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the best live band of the last 30 years
  • Renfield said:
    22. Fuckin Up❤️❤️❤️❤️
    Sick. 
  • CO278952CO278952 Posts: 1,352
    woah what an amazing set
    would love to hear Fuckin Up!
    4.17.94 Paramount 9.28.96 Randall's Island 8.25.00 Jones Beach 4.28.03 Spectrum 7.5.03 Camden 7.6.03 Camden 07.08.03 MSG 07.09.03 MSG 7.12.03 Hershey 7.14.03 Holmdel 6.12.08 Tampa 10.19.13 Brooklyn 4.11.16 Tampa 5.1.16 MSG 5.2.16 MSG 8.7.16 Fenway 9.2.18 Fenway 9.4.18 Fenway 9.11.22 MSG 9.16.22 Nashville 9.18.23 Austin 9.19.23 Austin 9.3.24 MSG 9.4.24 MSG Fenway 9.15.24 Fenway 9.17.24
  • If they just took some of the jams out of some songs like corduroy, and shortened other jams, they could easily add 2-3 songs in the same total set length. 
    What's the point of that? We want to hear them Jam. I don't want shorter versions just to fit more songs.
  • Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    But these 22 song sets are not better or more focused the the old 30 song sets.  We are losing an average of 7-10 songs and gaining nothing in return.  It’s not going to stop me from going to shows but I’m tired of people pretending it’s not a huge change l.
    They are better. Much better. The 2 shows saw in the last year are better than my 8 previous, and there is no competition until getting back to Philly Spectrum and Bonnaroo1. That's pre 2010. Matt learned how to drum in PJ during the pandemic and they sound like a new fucking band. Better than ever. 135 minutes in QC and it was only 22 songs because of the tempo and focus on quality. 
  • LongueuilLongueuil Posts: 2,224
    edited September 2022
    YL
  • MM70435MM70435 Posts: 284
    I am OK with the 23 songs.  Just please bring back RVM sometimes instead of Porch as a first set closer at every show.  Not complaining about it by any means.  Just requesting.  Would still rather hear them play Porch every show over any other band playing any other song.
    00 - Atlanta                                            10 - MSG I&II    
    03 - Birmingham, Atlanta                       22 - L̶a̶s̶ ̶V̶e̶g̶a̶s̶, Camden, Nashville   
    04 - Asheville, Kissimmee                     23 -  Ft Worth II                                                                                
    08 - Tampa, Columbia                           24 -  Philadelphia I&II, Baltimore
    09 - Atlanta I&II (EV)
                    " if hope could grow from dirt like me. It can be done.
  • Scorpcuz said:
    If they just took some of the jams out of some songs like corduroy, and shortened other jams, they could easily add 2-3 songs in the same total set length. 
    What's the point of that? We want to hear them Jam. I don't want shorter versions just to fit more songs.
    Corduroy never had a jam though. So that takes up a short song length. Im not saying either way is better or not better. I also love the jams. 
  • RenfieldRenfield Posts: 1,054
     Longueuil said:
    YL
    23. Yellow Ledbetter? Our relayer has left the building 
  • Ok, but when they do play a show thats over 26 songs,

    this place is gonna lose its shit. 
    YES. Exactly. Those special nights will still be there, and they will be considered special again. Instead of the band somehow owing it every single night. How long were the sets in the 90s? Some of the best shows ever were prob less than 25 songs. 
  • Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    But these 22 song sets are not better or more focused the the old 30 song sets.  We are losing an average of 7-10 songs and gaining nothing in return.  It’s not going to stop me from going to shows but I’m tired of people pretending it’s not a huge change l.
    They are better. Much better. The 2 shows saw in the last year are better than my 8 previous, and there is no competition until getting back to Philly Spectrum and Bonnaroo1. That's pre 2010. Matt learned how to drum in PJ during the pandemic and they sound like a new fucking band. Better than ever. 135 minutes in QC and it was only 22 songs because of the tempo and focus on quality. 
    We’re not going to agree on this .  58 year old Matt Cameron didn’t finally learn how to play drums for PJ in his 24th year with the band 
  • fsu2626fsu2626 Posts: 371
    Discopij said:
    100 Pacer said:
    Fuck quantity.

    Quality forever.
    I don’t ever remember quality being an issue when they played full shows before
    Correct.
    Agreed 
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 5,693
    Renfield said:
     Longueuil said:
    YL
    23. Yellow Ledbetter? Our relayer has left the building 
    Confirmed 👍 
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    But these 22 song sets are not better or more focused the the old 30 song sets.  We are losing an average of 7-10 songs and gaining nothing in return.  It’s not going to stop me from going to shows but I’m tired of people pretending it’s not a huge change l.
    Yep... stop trying to explain blah blah blah... it's alot shorter and that's what we're talking about. Agree with discopij
  • Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Mortality said:
    Discopij said:
    Still hard to swallow that the show is almost over 
    135 minutes in QC. There is no short set problem. The ridiculous 35 song sets are over because MC and EV are too old to do that at full quality, and have been for 10 years. The quality has been better after the pandemic. They are more focused.
    I don’t know how many times it has to get repeated over and over … nobody is asking for 35 … but all 10 shows I’ve been to since 2010 were 30 or more and we can’t even get 25 this year
    Yes, I know that. But it didn't become 23 songs because they are lazy and went to 90 min shows. They made a conscious decision to focus, slow down the tempo, and put on the highest quality show possible. The days of appeasing the setlist box checkers are over, and they never sounded better for it. They literally got their groove back. 
    But these 22 song sets are not better or more focused the the old 30 song sets.  We are losing an average of 7-10 songs and gaining nothing in return.  It’s not going to stop me from going to shows but I’m tired of people pretending it’s not a huge change l.
    They are better. Much better. The 2 shows saw in the last year are better than my 8 previous, and there is no competition until getting back to Philly Spectrum and Bonnaroo1. That's pre 2010. Matt learned how to drum in PJ during the pandemic and they sound like a new fucking band. Better than ever. 135 minutes in QC and it was only 22 songs because of the tempo and focus on quality. 
    We’re not going to agree on this .  58 year old Matt Cameron didn’t finally learn how to play drums for PJ in his 24th year with the band 
    Yeah thought that was weird.  He’s the longest tenured drummer lol
    1998: Mansfield, MA (9/15)
    2000: Virginia Beach, VA (8/3), Saratoga Springs, NY (8/27), Mansfield, MA (8/29 and 8/30)
    2003: Albany, NY (4/29), Mansfield, MA (7/2 and 7/3), New York, NY (7/8 and 7/9)
    2006: Hartford, CT (5/23), Boston, MA (5/24 and 5/25)
    2009: Chicago, IL (8/23 and 8/24)
    2010: Boston, MA (5/17)
    2011: East Troy, WI (9/3 and 9/4)
    2013: Worcester, MA (10/15 and 10/16), Hartford, CT (10/25)
    2016: Boston, MA (8/5 and 8/7)
    2018: Boston, MA (9/2 and 9/4)
    2022: Camden, NJ (9/14)
    2024: Boston, MA (9/15 and 9/17)
  • Go Animal said:
    I listen to the 2021-2022 stuff a lot. It's becoming my favorite boot era.

    GTF, Even Flow, Daughter, and a bunch others from '00-'18 are skips for me now.

    They are now the best they've been since each of those songs came out.
    My man, you get it. I truly love MC, but he was not great at drumming pre-Binuaral PJ. During the pandemic he clearly learned the older catalogue and fixed all the tempo issues. Shit was a blessing. I was getting tired of watching them rush through 30 songs of fan service. Thought I might be done with shows until this revelation of getting the artistry back. 
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