Monkey-Pox Another Sign of the End Times?

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edited August 2022 in A Moving Train
More disease? Is the earth fighting back to eradicate us?
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    I’m holding out for when Ebola becomes airborne 
  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    I’m holding out for when Ebola becomes airborne 
     :open_mouth:  
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
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    Stove said:
    I’m holding out for when Ebola becomes airborne 
     :open_mouth:  
    We’ve got a lot of scary diseases that if mutated could be catastrophic.  Or the disease that no one has seen yet. 

    I just don’t think monkeypox is one 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    Stove said:
    More disease? Is the earth fighting back to eradicate us?

    An increase in diseases is definitely one of the results of a species becoming overpopulated. Our unnatural ability and tendency to move quickly over long distances increases the likelihood of disease.  It's not surprising that we're having epidemics and a pandemic (likely not the last). 
    But I would call a large decline in human population "end times".  For the planet as a whole, that would be more like "extended times".
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited August 2022
    brianlux said:
    Stove said:
    More disease? Is the earth fighting back to eradicate us?

    An increase in diseases is definitely one of the results of a species becoming overpopulated. Our unnatural ability and tendency to move quickly over long distances increases the likelihood of disease.  It's not surprising that we're having epidemics and a pandemic (likely not the last). 
    But I would call a large decline in human population "end times".  For the planet as a whole, that would be more like "extended times".
    Asteroid, gamma ray burst, Yellowstone super volcano, disease 

    something is getting us at some point. If not that, the sun will eventually 
  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    ...jesus.. 

  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    brianlux said:
    Stove said:
    More disease? Is the earth fighting back to eradicate us?

    An increase in diseases is definitely one of the results of a species becoming overpopulated. Our unnatural ability and tendency to move quickly over long distances increases the likelihood of disease.  It's not surprising that we're having epidemics and a pandemic (likely not the last). 
    But I would call a large decline in human population "end times".  For the planet as a whole, that would be more like "extended times".
    Asteroid, gamma ray burst, Yellowstone super volcano, disease 

    something is getting us at some point. If not that, the sun will eventually 
    How does that sit with you?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    Sha na nah-nah-nah-nah live for today-ayyyy...
    What else can a poor boy do?
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  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    brianlux said:
    Sha na nah-nah-nah-nah live for today-ayyyy...
    What else can a poor boy do?
    You're right....OH WELL. Let's party!
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    edited August 2022

    Stove said:
    brianlux said:
    Sha na nah-nah-nah-nah live for today-ayyyy...
    What else can a poor boy do?
    You're right....OH WELL. Let's party!

    Right on, Stove.  Not that there isn't a time for being concerned and a time for action, but there's also a time to party on so...
    Cheers!
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Stove said:
    brianlux said:
    Sha na nah-nah-nah-nah live for today-ayyyy...
    What else can a poor boy do?
    You're right....OH WELL. Let's party!
    lol, I just thought of Chris Holmes in the video Blind in Texas saying "Hey dudes, let's party!" lol.
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,656
    I don't think it'll be money pox that does us in. It's a known disease that has vaccines and what not.  

    I think what could do us in, is that it doesn't feel like we learned anything from Covid19, or at least governments haven't.   If something really nasty got out there, I think we'd watch it enter our countries with open borders and what not.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    Zod said:
    I don't think it'll be money pox that does us in. It's a known disease that has vaccines and what not.  

    I think what could do us in, is that it doesn't feel like we learned anything from Covid19, or at least governments haven't.   If something really nasty got out there, I think we'd watch it enter our countries with open borders and what not.

    Among other causes, as long as people move around the world widely and frequently, disease will spread. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    Stove said:
    More disease? Is the earth fighting back to eradicate us?
    it's not more, it's been around a long time, it's just spreading more in industrialized nations right now for some reason. 

    the more we mow down the natural world, the more bullshit we'll uncover. at some point we'll uncover some super strong resistant nastiness that wipes a lot of us out. (or climate change will thaw something deep in the ice and release it)
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    Stove said:
    More disease? Is the earth fighting back to eradicate us?
    it's not more, it's been around a long time, it's just spreading more in industrialized nations right now for some reason. 

    the more we mow down the natural world, the more bullshit we'll uncover. at some point we'll uncover some super strong resistant nastiness that wipes a lot of us out. (or climate change will thaw something deep in the ice and release it)
    Its called methane.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    Stove said:
    More disease? Is the earth fighting back to eradicate us?
    it's not more, it's been around a long time, it's just spreading more in industrialized nations right now for some reason. 

    the more we mow down the natural world, the more bullshit we'll uncover. at some point we'll uncover some super strong resistant nastiness that wipes a lot of us out. (or climate change will thaw something deep in the ice and release it)
    Its called methane.
    I wasn't referring to your post-Taco Bell "thaw". 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    Stove said:
    More disease? Is the earth fighting back to eradicate us?
    it's not more, it's been around a long time, it's just spreading more in industrialized nations right now for some reason. 

    the more we mow down the natural world, the more bullshit we'll uncover. at some point we'll uncover some super strong resistant nastiness that wipes a lot of us out. (or climate change will thaw something deep in the ice and release it)
    Its called methane.
    I wasn't referring to your post-Taco Bell "thaw". 
    Haven't had Taco Bell since 1984 in Boulder, Colorado. Its been a long thaw. Thanks for the laugh.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    Maybe its this?

    New Langya virus that may have spilled over from animals infects dozens


    An international team of scientists identified a new virus that was likely to have been transmitted to humans after it first infected animals, in another potential zoonotic spillover less than three years into the coronavirus pandemic.

    A peer-reviewed study published in the New England Journal of Medicine detailed the discovery of the Langya virus after it was observed in 35 patient samples collected in two eastern Chinese provinces. The researchers — based in China, Singapore and Australia — did not find evidence that the virus transmitted between people, citing in part the small sample size available. But they hypothesized that shrews, small mammals that subsist on insects, could have hosted the virus before it infected humans.

    The first Langya virus sample was detected in late 2018 from a farmer in Shandong province who sought treatment for a fever. Over a roughly two-year period, 34 other people were found to have been infected in Shandong and neighboring Henan, with the vast majority being farmers.

    Genetic sequencing of the virus subsequently showed that the pathogen is part of the henipavirus family, which has five other known viruses. Two are considered highly virulent and are associated with high case-fatality ratios, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But none of the Langya patients died, the study stated.

    Among the 35 patients, 26 were found to be infected only with the Langya virus. All of the 26 had a fever, with around half showing fatigue, decreased white blood cell count and cough. More severe symptoms include impaired kidney and liver functions.

    Researchers also tested 25 small wild animal species for the Langya virus. Its genetic material was “predominantly detected” in shrews, leading the team to suggest the small mammals are a “natural reservoir” for the virus.

    Disease surveillance did not indicate sources of exposure common among those infected, nor did they come into close contact with one another, suggesting that human infection may have occurred in a “sporadic” fashion, the researchers wrote.

    Francois Balloux, a computational systems biology professor at University College London who was not involved with the study, said the Langya virus does not appear to “look like a repeat of Covid-19 at all.” He noted on Twitter that the new virus is far less lethal than other henipaviruses and “probably doesn’t transmit easily from human to human.”.

    But this discovery serves as “yet another reminder of the looming threat caused by the many pathogens circulating in populations of wild and domestic animals that have the potential to infect humans,” Balloux added.

    Viruses that spill over from animals to humans are not uncommon. Some 70 percent of emerging infectious diseases in humans are of zoonotic origin, scientists say, and nearly 1.7 million undiscovered viruses may exist in mammals and birds. The Hendra and Nipah viruses, two henipaviruses with high mortality rates, can be contracted through close contact with sick horses, pigs and bats.

    Scientists who study zoonotic diseases had warned even before the coronavirus pandemic that practices such as unregulated wildlife trade, deforestation and urbanization have brought people closer to animals, thereby increasing the odds of viral spillovers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/08/10/langya-virus-china-shrews-henipavirus/

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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
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    I think people attacking monkeys because of monkeypox might be a sign of something 

    at least they have moved on from attacking Asians 


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/who-warns-do-not-attack-monkeys-monkeypox-rcna42433


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,987
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    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?
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  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    edited August 2022
    PJ_Soul said:
    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?
    Like Mad Max, New dark ages, bodies burning in the streets. Black Plague style. A real leveler. In our lifetime. In the next 5-10 years min.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    PJ_Soul said:
    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?

    Is antimicrobial resistance related to our over-use of antibiotics?  That latter issue was talked about a fair amount some time back but I have not heard much about it lately.  Still an issue though, I believe.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?

    Is antimicrobial resistance related to our over-use of antibiotics?  That latter issue was talked about a fair amount some time back but I have not heard much about it lately.  Still an issue though, I believe.
    yes. 

    yes, it is still an issue, although I think the medical community has been scaling back the knee jerk prescribing of antibioticis as a result. wish my idiot GP would get that message. I think a lot of doctors are still like that, unfortunately. "here, take some antibiotics while we wait your test results". um, no. 
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
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    I think so and that one is americas fault.

    based on experience in the UK no one ever got antibiotics for pretty much anything the entire time we were living there.  Not because of cost but because a cold is a virus.  It actually took a while to get use to.  Walking into a doctors office (surgery as they say) and hearing “there isn’t a medicine for this” or hearing “if your sinus infection doesn’t clear up on it’s own, then come back”

    american doctors hand out antibiotics for everything because that’s the expectation we’ve set. Go in with a viral infection and walk out with amoxicillin more often than not.  It happens a lot 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?

    Is antimicrobial resistance related to our over-use of antibiotics?  That latter issue was talked about a fair amount some time back but I have not heard much about it lately.  Still an issue though, I believe.
    yes. 

    yes, it is still an issue, although I think the medical community has been scaling back the knee jerk prescribing of antibioticis as a result. wish my idiot GP would get that message. I think a lot of doctors are still like that, unfortunately. "here, take some antibiotics while we wait your test results". um, no. 

    I kind of thought that was the case.  I was given antibiotics several times when I was a teenager.  The dermatologist said it would cure my acne.  Looking back on it, I think I was being used as a guinea pig. It's no wonder I have had a number of health problems over the years.  A bit surprising, even, that I'm still kicking.  Probably because I haven't taken any antibiotics in the last 20 years or so.  Damn all doctors who use their patients to test their theories or ideas based on hunches.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,338
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?

    Is antimicrobial resistance related to our over-use of antibiotics?  That latter issue was talked about a fair amount some time back but I have not heard much about it lately.  Still an issue though, I believe.
    yes. 

    yes, it is still an issue, although I think the medical community has been scaling back the knee jerk prescribing of antibioticis as a result. wish my idiot GP would get that message. I think a lot of doctors are still like that, unfortunately. "here, take some antibiotics while we wait your test results". um, no. 

    I kind of thought that was the case.  I was given antibiotics several times when I was a teenager.  The dermatologist said it would cure my acne.  Looking back on it, I think I was being used as a guinea pig. It's no wonder I have had a number of health problems over the years.  A bit surprising, even, that I'm still kicking.  Probably because I haven't taken any antibiotics in the last 20 years or so.  Damn all doctors who use their patients to test their theories or ideas based on hunches.
    I'm not sure if it's testing people, more that it's just lazy medical practice. back then, I don't think people knew the ramifications of over prescribing antibiotics. I don't think we knew that bugs could mutate to bypass the medication. Now we know. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?

    Is antimicrobial resistance related to our over-use of antibiotics?  That latter issue was talked about a fair amount some time back but I have not heard much about it lately.  Still an issue though, I believe.
    yes. 

    yes, it is still an issue, although I think the medical community has been scaling back the knee jerk prescribing of antibioticis as a result. wish my idiot GP would get that message. I think a lot of doctors are still like that, unfortunately. "here, take some antibiotics while we wait your test results". um, no. 

    I kind of thought that was the case.  I was given antibiotics several times when I was a teenager.  The dermatologist said it would cure my acne.  Looking back on it, I think I was being used as a guinea pig. It's no wonder I have had a number of health problems over the years.  A bit surprising, even, that I'm still kicking.  Probably because I haven't taken any antibiotics in the last 20 years or so.  Damn all doctors who use their patients to test their theories or ideas based on hunches.
    I'm not sure if it's testing people, more that it's just lazy medical practice. back then, I don't think people knew the ramifications of over prescribing antibiotics. I don't think we knew that bugs could mutate to bypass the medication. Now we know. 

    Yeah, could be right.  I guess as a teenager I subscribed a bit too easily to that 60's notion of "Don't trust anyone over 30".  And then I was 30.  :lol:
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?

    Is antimicrobial resistance related to our over-use of antibiotics?  That latter issue was talked about a fair amount some time back but I have not heard much about it lately.  Still an issue though, I believe.
    yes. 

    yes, it is still an issue, although I think the medical community has been scaling back the knee jerk prescribing of antibioticis as a result. wish my idiot GP would get that message. I think a lot of doctors are still like that, unfortunately. "here, take some antibiotics while we wait your test results". um, no. 

    I kind of thought that was the case.  I was given antibiotics several times when I was a teenager.  The dermatologist said it would cure my acne.  Looking back on it, I think I was being used as a guinea pig. It's no wonder I have had a number of health problems over the years.  A bit surprising, even, that I'm still kicking.  Probably because I haven't taken any antibiotics in the last 20 years or so.  Damn all doctors who use their patients to test their theories or ideas based on hunches.
    I'm not sure if it's testing people, more that it's just lazy medical practice. back then, I don't think people knew the ramifications of over prescribing antibiotics. I don't think we knew that bugs could mutate to bypass the medication. Now we know. 

    Yeah, could be right.  I guess as a teenager I subscribed a bit too easily to that 60's notion of "Don't trust anyone over 30".  And then I was 30.  :lol:
    Certain antibiotics are still recommended treatment for some types of acne. They’re not first line but they’re evidence based when it hasn’t responded to other treatments. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,289
    edited August 2022
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Monkeypox isn't even that serious in the scheme of things. There are far more dangerous health concerns to be worried about IMO. Antimicrobial resistance, for instance. That's a much more urgent global health threat that is already killing millions of people every year, and the number will only keep increasing. And there is no vaccine for that.

    I'm curious about what you really mean by "sign of end times" though.... Like, are thinking in terms of omens, or in terms of Revelations, or do you just mean that something like monkeypox somehow puts us that much closer to global catastrophe somehow?

    Is antimicrobial resistance related to our over-use of antibiotics?  That latter issue was talked about a fair amount some time back but I have not heard much about it lately.  Still an issue though, I believe.
    yes. 

    yes, it is still an issue, although I think the medical community has been scaling back the knee jerk prescribing of antibioticis as a result. wish my idiot GP would get that message. I think a lot of doctors are still like that, unfortunately. "here, take some antibiotics while we wait your test results". um, no. 

    I kind of thought that was the case.  I was given antibiotics several times when I was a teenager.  The dermatologist said it would cure my acne.  Looking back on it, I think I was being used as a guinea pig. It's no wonder I have had a number of health problems over the years.  A bit surprising, even, that I'm still kicking.  Probably because I haven't taken any antibiotics in the last 20 years or so.  Damn all doctors who use their patients to test their theories or ideas based on hunches.
    I'm not sure if it's testing people, more that it's just lazy medical practice. back then, I don't think people knew the ramifications of over prescribing antibiotics. I don't think we knew that bugs could mutate to bypass the medication. Now we know. 

    Yeah, could be right.  I guess as a teenager I subscribed a bit too easily to that 60's notion of "Don't trust anyone over 30".  And then I was 30.  :lol:
    Certain antibiotics are still recommended treatment for some types of acne. They’re not first line but they’re evidence based when it hasn’t responded to other treatments. 

    I eventually solved the problem on my own- without antibiotics!- doing my own research.  It's not that I don't trust all doctors or the medical field, but while working as a volunteer for 1,000 hours at our local Health Library (overseen by our local Marshall Hospital) one of the things I learned was the wisdom of self advocacy, doing some research on one's health issues, being open to complimentary therapies, and having a healthy skepticism regarding a single prognosis. 
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