I Was Ejected by PJ Security from Hyde Park 1 After Being Kicked in the Head Twice by a Crowd Surfer
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I’m reposting this from The Porch:
I’m writing this post in hopes it can reach the band and also to create a conversation on our rights as concert goers.
My wife and I travelled from Los Angeles to see Pearl Jam in one of our favorite cities, London. We had Ten Club pit tickets and arrived around 2:30 PM, which was good enough for us to secure third row from the rail in front of Mike. We had a couple of friends in front of us on the rail and several of my wife’s friends from Brazil joined us there. We were all enjoying the show and my wife and I were happy when Eddie pointed and smiled to us right as Mike’s solo on Even Flow started. (I mention this as we are amongst fans that have met him over the years and he recognizes. He will know exactly who is writing this if it’s brought to his attention.) As Mike soloed, I suddenly saw a large man crowd surfing and hitting the head of one of my wife’s friends, a woman who Mike acknowledges at every show he sees her at. This guy looked to be nearly as big as me (I’m 6’4”) and I became very concerned as his course led him over the heads of my wife and another friend and his foot was coming right at my face. I stopped his foot and pushed back at him and guided him forward to the rail for venue security to take him. I walked back to my spot and could see Eddie was looking in our direction with concern.
Within seconds I felt another crowd surfer hitting the back of my head. I turned around and without support, this guy fell to the ground. Security noticed this guy, but didn’t go after him, as he got up and moved back.
I’m writing this post in hopes it can reach the band and also to create a conversation on our rights as concert goers.
My wife and I travelled from Los Angeles to see Pearl Jam in one of our favorite cities, London. We had Ten Club pit tickets and arrived around 2:30 PM, which was good enough for us to secure third row from the rail in front of Mike. We had a couple of friends in front of us on the rail and several of my wife’s friends from Brazil joined us there. We were all enjoying the show and my wife and I were happy when Eddie pointed and smiled to us right as Mike’s solo on Even Flow started. (I mention this as we are amongst fans that have met him over the years and he recognizes. He will know exactly who is writing this if it’s brought to his attention.) As Mike soloed, I suddenly saw a large man crowd surfing and hitting the head of one of my wife’s friends, a woman who Mike acknowledges at every show he sees her at. This guy looked to be nearly as big as me (I’m 6’4”) and I became very concerned as his course led him over the heads of my wife and another friend and his foot was coming right at my face. I stopped his foot and pushed back at him and guided him forward to the rail for venue security to take him. I walked back to my spot and could see Eddie was looking in our direction with concern.
Within seconds I felt another crowd surfer hitting the back of my head. I turned around and without support, this guy fell to the ground. Security noticed this guy, but didn’t go after him, as he got up and moved back.
Even Flow then ended and Eddie addressed our section asking if everything was ok. People around me gave him thumbs up and the show continued. Within a couple of minutes, I felt a sudden painful jolt from behind again, hitting the back of my head and neck. I turned around and saw that it was the exact same crowd surfer that had hit my head before. He again fell flat to the ground. I was very angry that this same guy was hitting me again, this time more painfully. With him on the ground I leaned down, pointed at him and screamed at him saying “This is the second time you’ve hit me! What the f*** are you doing?”.
I then noticed security starting to climb over the rail and approach us. They told me and the other guy that we both had to leave the venue, that we were being ejected. I tried to explain that this guy had twice kicked me in the back of my head. My wife was pleading with a security guard, who she told me later was an American band security member, that I wasn’t the problem, that it was the crowd surfers creating the problems. He wouldn’t listen to her and he led off the crowd surfer while a Hyde Park security guy led me through the crowd. Once away from the crowd, these Hard Park security at least allowed me to stop and plead my case, but they told me that it was band security that ordered me kicked out. I asked them what I did wrong and they couldn’t answer. They told me they were only following what they were told. My wife had ran over to try to help explain but to no avail. Then I was led out the same gate that I walked into 7 hours earlier.
I then noticed security starting to climb over the rail and approach us. They told me and the other guy that we both had to leave the venue, that we were being ejected. I tried to explain that this guy had twice kicked me in the back of my head. My wife was pleading with a security guard, who she told me later was an American band security member, that I wasn’t the problem, that it was the crowd surfers creating the problems. He wouldn’t listen to her and he led off the crowd surfer while a Hyde Park security guy led me through the crowd. Once away from the crowd, these Hard Park security at least allowed me to stop and plead my case, but they told me that it was band security that ordered me kicked out. I asked them what I did wrong and they couldn’t answer. They told me they were only following what they were told. My wife had ran over to try to help explain but to no avail. Then I was led out the same gate that I walked into 7 hours earlier.
Within minutes of sitting down outside the whole back of my brain started feeling cloudy and my head and neck hurt when I touched them. Fortunately the cloudiness was gone by the morning.
In the course of around 7-8 minutes, I went from having the singer of the band recognizing and pointing and smiling at me to having him presumably watching me being escorted out. Me and my wife’s friend, and possibly others were victims of violence, yet I was apparently considered a perpetrator, as the Hyde Park security guy told me that the band security guy had been eyeing me.
I may be a tall person, but I’m one of the most passive fans you are going to see under normal circumstances near the front of a Pearl Jam show. This is a band that rightfully shows concern for the welfare of it’s fans at concerts. Yet for me being struck twice by the same person, no concern was shown by band security towards me for my injury. No one explained why I was removed other than there had been an altercation.
A decision was made about me without even considering taking me aside to sort out any problems. Was my pushing away both crowd surfers or yelling in the face of the guy who smacked me considered too aggressive? Hyde Park security told me I should have left it to them. Well, they had their chance to remove the guy who struck me before he did it the second time.
In the course of around 7-8 minutes, I went from having the singer of the band recognizing and pointing and smiling at me to having him presumably watching me being escorted out. Me and my wife’s friend, and possibly others were victims of violence, yet I was apparently considered a perpetrator, as the Hyde Park security guy told me that the band security guy had been eyeing me.
I may be a tall person, but I’m one of the most passive fans you are going to see under normal circumstances near the front of a Pearl Jam show. This is a band that rightfully shows concern for the welfare of it’s fans at concerts. Yet for me being struck twice by the same person, no concern was shown by band security towards me for my injury. No one explained why I was removed other than there had been an altercation.
A decision was made about me without even considering taking me aside to sort out any problems. Was my pushing away both crowd surfers or yelling in the face of the guy who smacked me considered too aggressive? Hyde Park security told me I should have left it to them. Well, they had their chance to remove the guy who struck me before he did it the second time.
As a concert goer, what is the protocol in these situations? I’m sorry but I wasn’t going to allow a large man hovering over my wife and friends to potentially fall on them. As far as me, being very tall is a disadvantage when crowd surfing happens and have had previous injuries from it including cracked ribs.
I’m not some young guy trying to create problems. I’m the same age as Eddie Vedder. I didn’t fly halfway around the world to see a favorite band of mine, get kicked in the head and thrown out halfway through the show.
I’m not some young guy trying to create problems. I’m the same age as Eddie Vedder. I didn’t fly halfway around the world to see a favorite band of mine, get kicked in the head and thrown out halfway through the show.
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The security staff at Hyde Park on both Friday and Saturday were probably the best I have ever encountered at any concert or festival of any size I have been to in the UK over the past 20 years (circa 700 concerts). Across both days they were friendly and respectful and did their jobs with personality and good humour. The ones we spoke to in the 10 Club queue, the entrance to the golden circle and at the front of the stage all said that PJ fans were one of the best and most respectful crowds they have ever supervised and as such they treated us with the same level of respect we gave them.
To have security staff actually enjoying their jobs and treating fans well like we got at Hyde Park is incredibly rare in the UK. Usually they are all either robots who do their jobs to the letter and won't ever crack a smile or engage with the fans in any way, or they are wannabe cops looking for any excuse to lay down the law.
Based on how well the security staff treated the fans this weekend, I would be very surprised if many other people had a similar experience to yours at the Hyde Park shows. Which may imply there was something more going on with regards your incident. Perhaps simply a case of mistaken identity and they thought you were someone else they had already flagged as a potential problem. Or maybe the staff involved genuinely did observe something about your behaviour that merited ejection.
I'm not saying you actually were acting like an asshole who deserved to be ejected, but I don't know you, so for all I know you could have highly embellished this incident to make yourself look the victim. This is the Internet, people do that stuff all the time online. I'm just saying that if we want to raise awareness of how fans are treated at shows we also need to recognise when fans are treated well, as I believe was most people's experience this weekend, and not allow the focus to be on isolated incidents where we only have one person's account of events.
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I have never understood why they allow crowd surfers to get back in the GA se ruin as it is dangerous for the ones below.
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Security doesn't like loose canons.
They saw both and made the unbiased call to eliminate both. Not sure why there would be an exception for making eye contact with Eddie Vedder.
Also, not sure what else you want out of this. Band freebies? Change in policy for an allowance to take crowd surfers into your own hands? Sympathy direct from Pearl Jam?
It sucks, chalk it up as a lesson learned and move on with a reassessed inherent risk to being up front.
If it's too much to rely on security or if you don't trust them to do the job, retire from the pit.
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I think you answered your own questions. You are a big dude, up close, pushed a guy over the rail, and had two more "incidents" that involved aggressive behavior. For a band that is overly protective of its fans, and the heightened awareness of crowd safety since Astroworld, your ejection is not surprising. I am not questioning if the crowd surfer created risk or caused injury to you and your group. I was not there so I cannot judge your behavior, but I see reasoning behind the decision based on your narrative (which is probably a bit biased in your favor, it is human nature).
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How would that even work? Concert stops while a judge and jury are gathered to review the facts and make a determination as to whether or not the guy can stay?
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It sucks, sometimes security gets things wrong, but when you have crowds in the tens of thousands, they're going to err on the side of caution.
I don't even know that they necessarily got this wrong either, at least from their perspective... Ed noticed a big guy in the front of the crowd being aggressive with crowd surfers, and called security's attention to that section when he asked if everyone was ok... fast forward to another aggressive exchange between the same 2 guys and security did their thing.
There's no great mystery here.
I can definitely sympathize, it sucks traveling that far & getting kicked out of a show just for standing up for yourself, but as it's been explained in OP's own words, I understand why security did what they did.
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