*** STOCKHOLM 2022 SETLIST THREAD ***

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I'm only going to one show and I'd be happy if they played all of Gigaton and a bunch of standards there ... unfortunately I think it'll be 3-4 Gigaton songs and a bunch of standards

Gern Blansten

tino_11 said:

I'd hang fire a little. See where we are at after Copenhagen, Budapest and Krakow. I'll be at two of those shows so fingers crossed the sets get better. 

LOL... I like your confidence but it's not likely they will depart from the new pattern 

Lerxst1992

nicknyr15 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Hard stop with the festival excuses. Look at 2016 Pemberton, telluride, NO jazz festival and Bonnaroo.  Those were festival sets in the sense that they are shorter sets not for lack of song mix. Every show has become a greatest hits show, festival or not. This is fantastic for the fans who see the band once every 15 or 30 years. Not ideal for the regular crowd that spends money on the band. Wonder if it changes when the money dries up. 

The festival excuse is not legitimate anymore. It’s disappointing to say the least. I wish we knew the reason behind this decision. I’m sure the shows are great in person because of all the crowd interaction during their biggest songs but it seems they ALREADY ditched a lot of gigaton. 

***they don’t owe us anything blah blah be grateful blah blah covid blah blah. I know. I know. 

I chuckle when we get the don’t owe us anything comments.

PJ created us wanting variety, not the other way around, they were the ones who worked tirelessly  for their live reputation of never knowing what’s coming next. Maybe it’s just a by product of the two year break, but they’ve had long breaks before. They  could have taken their 2.5 hour set from 2018, cut out most covers and some long stories, and have a shorter / close to two hour set with surprises, yet they chose to change the set list dynamic in favor of somethin mostly for the casual fans.

edit, four year break,  ah hem, I can count.

PJNB

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Hard stop with the festival excuses. Look at 2016 Pemberton, telluride, NO jazz festival and Bonnaroo.  Those were festival sets in the sense that they are shorter sets not for lack of song mix. Every show has become a greatest hits show, festival or not. This is fantastic for the fans who see the band once every 15 or 30 years. Not ideal for the regular crowd that spends money on the band. Wonder if it changes when the money dries up. 

The festival excuse is not legitimate anymore. It’s disappointing to say the least. I wish we knew the reason behind this decision. I’m sure the shows are great in person because of all the crowd interaction during their biggest songs but it seems they ALREADY ditched a lot of gigaton. 

***they don’t owe us anything blah blah be grateful blah blah covid blah blah. I know. I know. 

I chuckle when we get the don’t owe us anything comments.

PJ created us wanting variety, not the other way around, they were the ones who worked tirelessly  for their live reputation of never knowing what’s coming next. Maybe it’s just a by product of the two year break, but they’ve had long breaks before. They  could have taken their 2.5 hour set from 2018, cut out most covers and some long stories, and have a shorter / close to two hour set with surprises, yet they chose to change the set list dynamic in favor of somethin mostly for the casual fans.

edit, four year break,  ah hem, I can count.

The mixing up of the setlists is the reason I planned on doing 12 (two cancelled so far) shows this year. Now with travel being a giant fucking mess and the sets not changing much at all if I had known all of this when we booked in 2019 and 2020 I would never of done as many long trips this year. It is what it is and I am still excited and grateful to see these guys play, I just would have done it less. I am also surprised at the length of these shows especially after most of us holding tickets for 2 and half years. 

People that are not traveling far for shows and only doing one or two this year and are ok with these sets thats great! I am happy for you. That said would you be ok with spending thousands and thousands of dollars (and losing thousands of dollars due to cancelations) to hit 10 shows this tour?

 Seeing a varied set as well as seeing some beautiful cities we would not normally hit is the reason we are doing these crazy trips. Me saying that about the sets is not me whining or me being entitled or ungrateful. That is me saying why I am hitting so many shows. If your reasons are different great!

Lets see what Copenhagen and the rest of the tour brings! 

Edit: Also I should add the whole travel mess that is going on bums me out way more than the sets. So when I say I would travel less it is the total package of the trip experience not just the sets. 

nicknyr15

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Hard stop with the festival excuses. Look at 2016 Pemberton, telluride, NO jazz festival and Bonnaroo.  Those were festival sets in the sense that they are shorter sets not for lack of song mix. Every show has become a greatest hits show, festival or not. This is fantastic for the fans who see the band once every 15 or 30 years. Not ideal for the regular crowd that spends money on the band. Wonder if it changes when the money dries up. 

The festival excuse is not legitimate anymore. It’s disappointing to say the least. I wish we knew the reason behind this decision. I’m sure the shows are great in person because of all the crowd interaction during their biggest songs but it seems they ALREADY ditched a lot of gigaton. 

***they don’t owe us anything blah blah be grateful blah blah covid blah blah. I know. I know. 

I chuckle when we get the don’t owe us anything comments.

PJ created us wanting variety, not the other way around, they were the ones who worked tirelessly  for their live reputation of never knowing what’s coming next. Maybe it’s just a by product of the two year break, but they’ve had long breaks before. They  could have taken their 2.5 hour set from 2018, cut out most covers and some long stories, and have a shorter / close to two hour set with surprises, yet they chose to change the set list dynamic in favor of somethin mostly for the casual fans.

edit, four year break,  ah hem, I can count.

Yea those “they don’t owe you” comments and be grateful are the absolute worst. They literally groomed us to expect a certain type of live experience and now that it’s completely changed, we shouldn’t mention it?

mr bungle

nicknyr15 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Hard stop with the festival excuses. Look at 2016 Pemberton, telluride, NO jazz festival and Bonnaroo.  Those were festival sets in the sense that they are shorter sets not for lack of song mix. Every show has become a greatest hits show, festival or not. This is fantastic for the fans who see the band once every 15 or 30 years. Not ideal for the regular crowd that spends money on the band. Wonder if it changes when the money dries up. 

The festival excuse is not legitimate anymore. It’s disappointing to say the least. I wish we knew the reason behind this decision. I’m sure the shows are great in person because of all the crowd interaction during their biggest songs but it seems they ALREADY ditched a lot of gigaton. 

***they don’t owe us anything blah blah be grateful blah blah covid blah blah. I know. I know. 

I chuckle when we get the don’t owe us anything comments.

PJ created us wanting variety, not the other way around, they were the ones who worked tirelessly  for their live reputation of never knowing what’s coming next. Maybe it’s just a by product of the two year break, but they’ve had long breaks before. They  could have taken their 2.5 hour set from 2018, cut out most covers and some long stories, and have a shorter / close to two hour set with surprises, yet they chose to change the set list dynamic in favor of somethin mostly for the casual fans.

edit, four year break,  ah hem, I can count.

Yea those “they don’t owe you” comments and be grateful are the absolute worst. They literally groomed us to expect a certain type of live experience and now that it’s completely changed, we shouldn’t mention it?

Yeah i kind of agree with you.  The relationship with the band and the 10c is transactional.  We give them money, they give us a product.  they established prior to this tour that a show ticket purchase would produce a near three hour set.  We have the right to question why the product was cut by 33% without explanation.  If the Merch chasers only get 66% of what they buy at the stand there would be a mutiny.

mcgruff10

nicknyr15 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Hard stop with the festival excuses. Look at 2016 Pemberton, telluride, NO jazz festival and Bonnaroo.  Those were festival sets in the sense that they are shorter sets not for lack of song mix. Every show has become a greatest hits show, festival or not. This is fantastic for the fans who see the band once every 15 or 30 years. Not ideal for the regular crowd that spends money on the band. Wonder if it changes when the money dries up. 

The festival excuse is not legitimate anymore. It’s disappointing to say the least. I wish we knew the reason behind this decision. I’m sure the shows are great in person because of all the crowd interaction during their biggest songs but it seems they ALREADY ditched a lot of gigaton. 

***they don’t owe us anything blah blah be grateful blah blah covid blah blah. I know. I know. 

I chuckle when we get the don’t owe us anything comments.

PJ created us wanting variety, not the other way around, they were the ones who worked tirelessly  for their live reputation of never knowing what’s coming next. Maybe it’s just a by product of the two year break, but they’ve had long breaks before. They  could have taken their 2.5 hour set from 2018, cut out most covers and some long stories, and have a shorter / close to two hour set with surprises, yet they chose to change the set list dynamic in favor of somethin mostly for the casual fans.

edit, four year break,  ah hem, I can count.

Yea those “they don’t owe you” comments and be grateful are the absolute worst. They literally groomed us to expect a certain type of live experience and now that it’s completely changed, we shouldn’t mention it?

well said bud.

jimjam1982

nicknyr15 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Hard stop with the festival excuses. Look at 2016 Pemberton, telluride, NO jazz festival and Bonnaroo.  Those were festival sets in the sense that they are shorter sets not for lack of song mix. Every show has become a greatest hits show, festival or not. This is fantastic for the fans who see the band once every 15 or 30 years. Not ideal for the regular crowd that spends money on the band. Wonder if it changes when the money dries up. 

The festival excuse is not legitimate anymore. It’s disappointing to say the least. I wish we knew the reason behind this decision. I’m sure the shows are great in person because of all the crowd interaction during their biggest songs but it seems they ALREADY ditched a lot of gigaton. 

***they don’t owe us anything blah blah be grateful blah blah covid blah blah. I know. I know. 

I chuckle when we get the don’t owe us anything comments.

PJ created us wanting variety, not the other way around, they were the ones who worked tirelessly  for their live reputation of never knowing what’s coming next. Maybe it’s just a by product of the two year break, but they’ve had long breaks before. They  could have taken their 2.5 hour set from 2018, cut out most covers and some long stories, and have a shorter / close to two hour set with surprises, yet they chose to change the set list dynamic in favor of somethin mostly for the casual fans.

edit, four year break,  ah hem, I can count.

Yea those “they don’t owe you” comments and be grateful are the absolute worst. They literally groomed us to expect a certain type of live experience and now that it’s completely changed, we shouldn’t mention it?

The worst part is they have the balls to sell 2k to 5k "Premium" seats for a product that we reasonably expected would mirror past years.  At most the current product is like $100.  IN the words of Ed - much to be done - by the band and all.

Abe Froman

mcgruff10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Hard stop with the festival excuses. Look at 2016 Pemberton, telluride, NO jazz festival and Bonnaroo.  Those were festival sets in the sense that they are shorter sets not for lack of song mix. Every show has become a greatest hits show, festival or not. This is fantastic for the fans who see the band once every 15 or 30 years. Not ideal for the regular crowd that spends money on the band. Wonder if it changes when the money dries up. 

The festival excuse is not legitimate anymore. It’s disappointing to say the least. I wish we knew the reason behind this decision. I’m sure the shows are great in person because of all the crowd interaction during their biggest songs but it seems they ALREADY ditched a lot of gigaton. 

***they don’t owe us anything blah blah be grateful blah blah covid blah blah. I know. I know. 

I chuckle when we get the don’t owe us anything comments.

PJ created us wanting variety, not the other way around, they were the ones who worked tirelessly  for their live reputation of never knowing what’s coming next. Maybe it’s just a by product of the two year break, but they’ve had long breaks before. They  could have taken their 2.5 hour set from 2018, cut out most covers and some long stories, and have a shorter / close to two hour set with surprises, yet they chose to change the set list dynamic in favor of somethin mostly for the casual fans.

edit, four year break,  ah hem, I can count.

Yea those “they don’t owe you” comments and be grateful are the absolute worst. They literally groomed us to expect a certain type of live experience and now that it’s completely changed, we shouldn’t mention it?

well said bud.

Yup. Agree on all of this. 

trees

Maybe since they haven't  played in 3 years much they need to practice MO Code . Yeild .Binerral.Riot Act. Avocado 🥑. BackSpacer, Lightning  Bolt .rarity  type songs . And Slowly  ease into it 

PJNB

I think tonight we are going to have another Frankfurt night.