Capitalism, The Fed and Economic Policy

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

You don't understand the difference between civil vs criminal and detained vs convicted?   The point is that US prison system isn't a direct comparison.  

Jearlpam0925

Mark Zandi has increased his odds of a recession for the year from 15 to 40% lol, "democracy" really is a double edged sword.

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

You don't understand the difference between civil vs criminal and detained vs convicted?   The point is that US prison system isn't a direct comparison.  

I built prisons for 15 years.  I understand who we place in them and again I do not have a problem with it.  If they are here illegally then isn't that considered breaking the law and criminal? I don't see how they are civil cases.

tempo_n_groove

Jearlpam0925 said:

Mark Zandi has increased his odds of a recession for the year from 15 to 40% lol, "democracy" really is a double edged sword.

I just heard 30% if the tariffs hit.  It goes up to 50% if companies start laying people off.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

You don't understand the difference between civil vs criminal and detained vs convicted?   The point is that US prison system isn't a direct comparison.  

I built prisons for 15 years.  I understand who we place in them and again I do not have a problem with it.  If they are here illegally then isn't that considered breaking the law and criminal? I don't see how they are civil cases.

If you read the article you posted, it said it right there. 

mickeyrat

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

You don't understand the difference between civil vs criminal and detained vs convicted?   The point is that US prison system isn't a direct comparison.  

I built prisons for 15 years.  I understand who we place in them and again I do not have a problem with it.  If they are here illegally then isn't that considered breaking the law and criminal? I don't see how they are civil cases.

because it breaks a civil code and not a criminal code?

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@factpostnews/post/DH6UBNjo5Ut?xmt=AQGz3vH7FXiBYl81iur7FVmiM4G_8NVTZ4JcsdibjuzxOg

A Federal Reserve bank is now projecting that the US GDP growth rate is down to -3.7% in the first quarter of 2025.

This number was -2.8% just four days ago.

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@factpostnews/post/DH6UBNjo5Ut?xmt=AQGz3vH7FXiBYl81iur7FVmiM4G_8NVTZ4JcsdibjuzxOg

A Federal Reserve bank is now projecting that the US GDP growth rate is down to -3.7% in the first quarter of 2025.

This number was -2.8% just four days ago.

So much winning. Are you tired of winning yet?

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

You don't understand the difference between civil vs criminal and detained vs convicted?   The point is that US prison system isn't a direct comparison.  

I built prisons for 15 years.  I understand who we place in them and again I do not have a problem with it.  If they are here illegally then isn't that considered breaking the law and criminal? I don't see how they are civil cases.

because it breaks a civil code and not a criminal code?

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

You don't understand the difference between civil vs criminal and detained vs convicted?   The point is that US prison system isn't a direct comparison.  

I built prisons for 15 years.  I understand who we place in them and again I do not have a problem with it.  If they are here illegally then isn't that considered breaking the law and criminal? I don't see how they are civil cases.

If you read the article you posted, it said it right there. 

If you enter illegally it becomes criminal and is not civil.  Having a whole facility full of 'Civil" immigration crimes is a little hard for me to believe. The odds of that are pretty slim.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@factpostnews/post/DH6UBNjo5Ut?xmt=AQGz3vH7FXiBYl81iur7FVmiM4G_8NVTZ4JcsdibjuzxOg

A Federal Reserve bank is now projecting that the US GDP growth rate is down to -3.7% in the first quarter of 2025.

This number was -2.8% just four days ago.

IF and a big if, people rush to buy things in fear of the tariffs then it could get a gain and they'll call that a win.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

You don't understand the difference between civil vs criminal and detained vs convicted?   The point is that US prison system isn't a direct comparison.  

I built prisons for 15 years.  I understand who we place in them and again I do not have a problem with it.  If they are here illegally then isn't that considered breaking the law and criminal? I don't see how they are civil cases.

because it breaks a civil code and not a criminal code?

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mickeyrat said:

GEO Group, a for-profit prison company, is fighting Washington in court over a mandate to pay ICE detainees minimum wage.

The case could set a precedent that would require the company to pay detainees more at its other facilities across the country.

Read more: https://propub.li/4iGK2a9

I have a problem with that, prison work was always a privilege and not guaranteed, also a way for cheap labor to be used. There are plenty of watch groups so it's not abused like Shawshank.

Let the inmates make $2 an hour.

Yes but that work was being done for hte benefit of society, not the benefit of a private company.  

Just read the article.  They wanted the company to pay the inmates that cleaned and made food.  Thats silly.

Also the state prisons dont pay the inmates so why should the private prison dot hat?

Dude, you are WAY over-simplifying the issues here. To wit:

1. These are immigration detainees, not "prisoners" in jail after being convicted of a criminal offense.
2. The offenses which these individuals are accused are civil in nature, not criminal.  
3. They have not been held liable for these offenses. 
4. They sued under state minimum wage rules, so the question is truly whether the Supremacy clause applies in this case. 
5. Do the federal contracts require/include cleaning in the contracts and is that presumed to be by outside/wage earning individuals or is that truly the decision of the vendor?
6. The state does not use contractors/private companies for housing.  Apples and oranges.  

I read your points and still haven't changed my position.  Detainees.  Nice.  They're prisoners, lol.

You don't understand the difference between civil vs criminal and detained vs convicted?   The point is that US prison system isn't a direct comparison.  

I built prisons for 15 years.  I understand who we place in them and again I do not have a problem with it.  If they are here illegally then isn't that considered breaking the law and criminal? I don't see how they are civil cases.

If you read the article you posted, it said it right there. 

If you enter illegally it becomes criminal and is not civil.  Having a whole facility full of 'Civil" immigration crimes is a little hard for me to believe. The odds of that are pretty slim.

The internet is your friend.  You can disagree with it if you like, but don't argue like it isn't true.  Re-entry can be criminal but the actual presence in the US is civil.  

mickeyrat

take this convo to the appropriate thread

mrussel1

mickeyrat said:

take this convo to the appropriate thread

I didn't realize there was a "Is Immigration a civil or criminal offense" thread.  

Halifax2TheMax

Where the hell is this great day of liberation? “Oh please, Mr. President, tell us what countries and which products at what percentage tariff, oh please, Mr. COOTWH, please? The suspense of your power is crushing our souls. Please, we beg of you, please tell us what and how much of your mighty power you’re going to release. Please!!??”

COOTWH is probably being fitted with a parachute so he can land on the orange house lawn to announce that he’s postponed the tariffs except for Yemen. Fucking putz.

Jearlpam0925

The hilarity and irony of Newsmax going public the same day the market is tanking lol:

https://x.com/Reuters/status/1907787409724682469?t=41_ZxPMm_1EG-HZ2-V0J_Q&s=19

Halifax2TheMax

How long before the real civil unrest starts? You know, the kind that results in COOTWH declaring martial law? 

We’ve got tens of thousands of fired federal employees who will be losing unemployment benefits, if they can even apply and collect them, with mortgages and personal debt coming due, tens of thousands of college kids graduating into what is likely to be a jobless job market, competing with all those who were previously laid off, a shit ton of new retirees trying to file for and receive social security benefits and a percentage of the population still devastated by natural disasters and little to no relief in sight.

 Almost seems like it’s all by design. I’m guessing July/August.

Tim Simmons

I don't think its gonna come to that.

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

I don't think its gonna come to that.

As if another January six from the left is going to win us any federal elections.