I have no inside information and am often wrong about many things but I don't think there will ever be a time when they tour extensively again. I think those days are behind them. I don't really agree that they've been "mailing it in" or whatever since 2006 but I think with any band this big, who has been around this long, they're going to hit a point where they have to figure out whether or not to become sort of sad caricatures of their former selves and I'm glad this band hasn't become that, though it's really difficult to imagine these dudes in their 70s still playing Lukin or Corduroy or whatever. Same with Foos, for that matter. The other bands folks mentioned elsewhere — Phish, DMB, whatever — if they want to continue can find ways to kind of meander through shows with a modicum of grace. Pearl Jam doesn't make music like that and until/unless they start doing so, there will come a point where they just physically cannot get up there and play these songs, at this pace, for two-plus hours. Maybe reducing the amount that they tour is a step towards trying to prolong their career. I don't know. I know that I personally, like many of y'all, have been along for the entire ride with this band, since I was 12 years old, and I said to my wife before getting tickets for this tour, "This might be the last one I see. It feels like the last one where they'll still be the band I remember/the band they've always been." Who knows if that's even remotely true, but I do feel some urgency to catch a show or a few within the next year or two, so hopefully there's ample opportunity to do so.
1993: Portland, OR (09/06), Seattle, WA (12/07), Seattle, WA (12/08), Seattle, WA (12/09) 1995: Seattle, WA (02/05) 1996: Seattle, WA (09/16) 1997: Oakland, CA (11/19) 1998: Portland, OR (07/18), Seattle, WA (07/21), Seattle, WA (07/22) 2000: Bellingham, WA (05/10), Vancouver, BC (05/11), Mountain View, CA (10/31), Portland, OR (11/02), Seattle, WA (11/05), Seattle, WA (11/06) 2002: Seattle, WA (12/05), Seattle, WA (12/06), Seattle, WA (12/08), Seattle, WA (12/09) 2003: Vancouver, BC (5/30), Seattle, WA (10/22), 2006: Portland, OR (07/20) 2009: Berlin, DE (08/15), Seattle, WA (9/21), Seattle, WA (9/22) 2010: Berlin, DE (06/30) 2013: Los Angeles, CA (11/23), Los Angeles, CA (11/24), Portland, OR (11/29), Spokane, WA (11/30) 2018: Seattle, WA (08/10) 2022: Seattle, WA (2/22)
I have no inside information and am often wrong about many things but I don't think there will ever be a time when they tour extensively again. I think those days are behind them. I don't really agree that they've been "mailing it in" or whatever since 2006 but I think with any band this big, who has been around this long, they're going to hit a point where they have to figure out whether or not to become sort of sad caricatures of their former selves and I'm glad this band hasn't become that, though it's really difficult to imagine these dudes in their 70s still playing Lukin or Corduroy or whatever. Same with Foos, for that matter. The other bands folks mentioned elsewhere — Phish, DMB, whatever — if they want to continue can find ways to kind of meander through shows with a modicum of grace. Pearl Jam doesn't make music like that and until/unless they start doing so, there will come a point where they just physically cannot get up there and play these songs, at this pace, for two-plus hours. Maybe reducing the amount that they tour is a step towards trying to prolong their career. I don't know. I know that I personally, like many of y'all, have been along for the entire ride with this band, since I was 12 years old, and I said to my wife before getting tickets for this tour, "This might be the last one I see. It feels like the last one where they'll still be the band I remember/the band they've always been." Who knows if that's even remotely true, but I do feel some urgency to catch a show or a few within the next year or two, so hopefully there's ample opportunity to do so.
I think there is some wisdom in this. I watched Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers unravel quite a bit over their last decade of touring, and it was NOT the same band. There were highlights, like 2 solid albums, but plenty of lowlights also.
Setlists got shorter, and were very similar from one tour to the next. Lots of greatest hits were largely ignored, or never heard from again. Tom's voice became less audible. Backup singers were brought in to get the band through songs.
It pains me to say it, but they weren't anywhere close to their best. I heard someone say that their final show at the Hollywood Bowl was legendary, or something to that effect. Please! It wasn't even their best show of the 2000's.
AUS/NZ in Early January Stop in Tokyo End in Lolla India
Likely not, but we can dream. PJ in Tokyo remains my current #1 desired destination show.
2010: Cleveland
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
If that is real it's almost certainly tacked on to the beginning or end of an Australian run.
Yes, thats the only reason why it just might be legit
2010: Cleveland
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
“I don't think there will ever be a time when they tour extensively again. I think those days are behind them.”
They aren’t that old! I think it’s far too early to be saying statements like that. I reckon at least another 10 years at least of the kind of tours we’ve had over the last few years.
Then what the heck happens to that Chile rumor? Or did that just fall through?
AUS/NZ in January - announced later than usual since it’s not Big Day Out South America in March/April
Those have been the rumors for months now, which I would expect to still come true
2010: Cleveland
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
Ariake arena opened in 2020, holds about 12,000 in Tokyo. Would be an incredible space to see PJ play.
2010: Cleveland
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
I dunno- with all the cancellation risks that’s a very far distance to travel. Makes Prague look like a commuter flight.
London ON, Buffalo 2013; Cincinnati 2014; Miami, FLL, Tor 1-2, Chi 2 2016; London UK 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Chi 1-2, Bos 1-2 2018; SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2 2021; LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Lon 1-2 2022;
They lost money playing Japan in 2003 and doubt they’ll ever play there again.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden
They lost money playing Japan in 2003 and doubt they’ll ever play there again.
True, but that was also 5 cities in some of the more remote areas of the country. I would be willing to bet they could sell out 1-2 nights at Ariake considering the capacity.
Which cities do you think would be most likely if they were to squeeze in a few shows in between AUS/NZ and India (assuming this is all true)
To compare, this is the Billie Eilish tour about to start next week. 6 shows in 13 days in Southeast Asia.
2010: Cleveland
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
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1995: Seattle, WA (02/05)
1996: Seattle, WA (09/16)
1997: Oakland, CA (11/19)
1998: Portland, OR (07/18), Seattle, WA (07/21), Seattle, WA (07/22)
2000: Bellingham, WA (05/10), Vancouver, BC (05/11), Mountain View, CA (10/31), Portland, OR (11/02), Seattle, WA (11/05), Seattle, WA (11/06)
2002: Seattle, WA (12/05), Seattle, WA (12/06), Seattle, WA (12/08), Seattle, WA (12/09)
2003: Vancouver, BC (5/30), Seattle, WA (10/22),
2006: Portland, OR (07/20)
2009: Berlin, DE (08/15), Seattle, WA (9/21), Seattle, WA (9/22)
2010: Berlin, DE (06/30)
2013: Los Angeles, CA (11/23), Los Angeles, CA (11/24), Portland, OR (11/29), Spokane, WA (11/30)
2018: Seattle, WA (08/10)
2022: Seattle, WA (2/22)
Setlists got shorter, and were very similar from one tour to the next. Lots of greatest hits were largely ignored, or never heard from again. Tom's voice became less audible. Backup singers were brought in to get the band through songs.
It pains me to say it, but they weren't anywhere close to their best. I heard someone say that their final show at the Hollywood Bowl was legendary, or something to that effect. Please! It wasn't even their best show of the 2000's.
Metallica on line 3.
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Stop in Tokyo
End in Lolla India
Likely not, but we can dream. PJ in Tokyo remains my current #1 desired destination show.
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
SHOW COUNT: (141) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=81, US=101, CAN=15, Europe=19 ,New Zealand=2, Australia=2
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
Upcoming: ?
South America in March/April
Those have been the rumors for months now, which I would expect to still come true
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden
Which cities do you think would be most likely if they were to squeeze in a few shows in between AUS/NZ and India (assuming this is all true)
To compare, this is the Billie Eilish tour about to start next week. 6 shows in 13 days in Southeast Asia.
2012: Atlanta (Music Midtown Festival)
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City (Global Citizen Festival)
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly - Night II / New York City - Night II / Toronto - Night II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway - Night II / Wrigley - Night I / Wrigley - Night II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
Will be shocking honestly if atl doesn’t show up in the next NA cycle
Cincinnati 2014
Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016
Cincinnati 2014
Greenville 2016
(Raleigh 2016)
Columbia 2016