It wasn't really a trainwreck but most interesting was a Gaslight Anthem show when they came on stage and told the crowd that Benny had a family emergency and had to leave right before the show. They played about 7-8 songs with the drummer from the opening band filling it. It was kind of cool to see, Alex (bass) basically stood next to the drum kit and coached him through the changes and all, cool camaraderie. After those songs they brought out some stools and played another batch of songs acoustic, which was really cool.
It wasn't really a trainwreck but most interesting was a Gaslight Anthem show when they came on stage and told the crowd that Benny had a family emergency and had to leave right before the show. They played about 7-8 songs with the drummer from the opening band filling it. It was kind of cool to see, Alex (bass) basically stood next to the drum kit and coached him through the changes and all, cool camaraderie. After those songs they brought out some stools and played another batch of songs acoustic, which was really cool.
So not really a train wreck, just different
good on them for not cancelling and improvising instead. that COULD have been a train wreck. that's a very brave thing to do.
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The opener to Soundgarden I think they were called Red Red Meat. They were booed off the stage in Chicago. Cornell lectures us all....shortly after the band broke up too.
Worst opening act ever...worse than Manson jerking off a dildo almost shutting NIN down in Muncie....worse than than fucking wierd guy opening for Explosions in the Sky...Lichens.....worse than Metal Church inducing projectile vomiting over 3 rows at Metallica...
It wasn't really a trainwreck but most interesting was a Gaslight Anthem show when they came on stage and told the crowd that Benny had a family emergency and had to leave right before the show. They played about 7-8 songs with the drummer from the opening band filling it. It was kind of cool to see, Alex (bass) basically stood next to the drum kit and coached him through the changes and all, cool camaraderie. After those songs they brought out some stools and played another batch of songs acoustic, which was really cool.
So not really a train wreck, just different
good on them for not cancelling and improvising instead. that COULD have been a train wreck. that's a very brave thing to do.
that was actually one of the coolest things i've ever seen happen.
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2015 or 16 Headliner Bob Dylan. Before them we had Ryan Bingham, Wilco and Beck as openers so it was a good show.
When Dylan sang, or lack thereof, the crowd left in droves.
His voice was hoarse and monotone.
Apparently when he’s on, he’s like really on. But yeah, it’s super rough hearing anything he’s done after the Travelling Wilburys.
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Were it up to me (it's not, of course), musicians who are over 70 and who were once great, would be exempted from this thread. Anyone with high expectations when going to see an elderly musician are often going to be disappointed. Not always, of course. I saw Willie Nelson in 2005 when he was 72 years old and it was one of my all-time favorite shows. But I would have been happy and thankful to see him in any shape. One of the long time members of Willie's Family band, Jody Payne (who was 69 at the time) sang one number and he was horse as hell but I admired him for giving it his best shot.
In any case, the point I want to make is that I'm thankful and grateful for any great musician who is past 70 and is still around. A full-time musicians life is a hard life. We lose a hell of a lot of them younger or much younger than 70.
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Were it up to me (it's not, of course), musicians who are over 70 and who were once great, would be exempted from this thread. Anyone with high expectations when going to see an elderly musician are often going to be disappointed. Not always, of course. I saw Willie Nelson in 2005 when he was 72 years old and it was one of my all-time favorite shows. But I would have been happy and thankful to see him in any shape. One of the long time members of Willie's Family band, Jody Payne (who was 69 at the time) sang one number and he was horse as hell but I admired him for giving it his best shot.
In any case, the point I want to make is that I'm thankful and grateful for any great musician who is past 70 and is still around. A full-time musicians life is a hard life. We lose a hell of a lot of them younger or much younger than 70.
While I'm still trying to think of a trainwreck I'd like to say that David Gilmour at 70 was absolutely phenomenal
Were it up to me (it's not, of course), musicians who are over 70 and who were once great, would be exempted from this thread. Anyone with high expectations when going to see an elderly musician are often going to be disappointed. Not always, of course. I saw Willie Nelson in 2005 when he was 72 years old and it was one of my all-time favorite shows. But I would have been happy and thankful to see him in any shape. One of the long time members of Willie's Family band, Jody Payne (who was 69 at the time) sang one number and he was horse as hell but I admired him for giving it his best shot.
In any case, the point I want to make is that I'm thankful and grateful for any great musician who is past 70 and is still around. A full-time musicians life is a hard life. We lose a hell of a lot of them younger or much younger than 70.
While I'm still trying to think of a trainwreck I'd like to say that David Gilmour at 70 was absolutely phenomenal
Were it up to me (it's not, of course), musicians who are over 70 and who were once great, would be exempted from this thread. Anyone with high expectations when going to see an elderly musician are often going to be disappointed. Not always, of course. I saw Willie Nelson in 2005 when he was 72 years old and it was one of my all-time favorite shows. But I would have been happy and thankful to see him in any shape. One of the long time members of Willie's Family band, Jody Payne (who was 69 at the time) sang one number and he was horse as hell but I admired him for giving it his best shot.
In any case, the point I want to make is that I'm thankful and grateful for any great musician who is past 70 and is still around. A full-time musicians life is a hard life. We lose a hell of a lot of them younger or much younger than 70.
While I'm still trying to think of a trainwreck I'd like to say that David Gilmour at 70 was absolutely phenomenal
Mason and Waters are on point as well.
Yes, true. Roger has been continually touring for so long I take him for granted.
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Were it up to me (it's not, of course), musicians who are over 70 and who were once great, would be exempted from this thread. Anyone with high expectations when going to see an elderly musician are often going to be disappointed. Not always, of course. I saw Willie Nelson in 2005 when he was 72 years old and it was one of my all-time favorite shows. But I would have been happy and thankful to see him in any shape. One of the long time members of Willie's Family band, Jody Payne (who was 69 at the time) sang one number and he was horse as hell but I admired him for giving it his best shot.
In any case, the point I want to make is that I'm thankful and grateful for any great musician who is past 70 and is still around. A full-time musicians life is a hard life. We lose a hell of a lot of them younger or much younger than 70.
While I'm still trying to think of a trainwreck I'd like to say that David Gilmour at 70 was absolutely phenomenal
I'll bet! That guy is amazing!
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1) We saw the Counting Crows in Chicago 2 days after the PJ shows at Wrigley in '16. Rob Thomas was opening, and he's not my cup of tea, but he did get the crowd into it, and did a solid enough job. Counting Crows came on, played lots of songs people didn't know, butchered the ones people did know, and the ones they tried to play normal that people know, they did horribly. It was such a bad set. People left in droves. We stuck it out.. but I doubt there was 1/3 of the people left by the time they finished.
2) REM Groundwork Seattle 2001. From what I gather PJ was trying to show respect to REM by not being the headlining show that night. So they insisted REM close it out. It was a very PJ crowd which is to be expected for a show in Seattle. PJ only played for 50ish minutes, and it was too short. I'd say 1/3rd of the arena left after PJ finished. R.E.M came on, to a crowd that wasn't theirs, and mostly played songs made after their popular albums. There were a few classics in there (including Eddie coming out and doing end of the word, but overall it was low on hits, and big on songs people didn't know). People left in droves. I bet only 1/3rd of the Arena that was left by the time Eddie came out with them for the encore. I feel like maybe PJ should of manned up and closed it, and REM not playing to an REM crowd maybe would of wanted to do a more casual friendly setlist.
I've seen other shows that were meh, but these shows come to mind, because there the only ones I could see a constant flux of people running for the exits.
Not a lot of train wrecks. Two notable bands who were about to break up and they knew it.
Weezer 97 Gaslight Anthem 14
GA were just running through the motions. still sounded good but the fire wasn’t there that I had seen five years earlier. In Weezer’s case they were totally off. Lots of mistakes. The crowd still enjoyed it but it wasn’t a great performance.
Not a lot of train wrecks. Two notable bands who were about to break up and they knew it.
Weezer 97 Gaslight Anthem 14
GA were just running through the motions. still sounded good but the fire wasn’t there that I had seen five years earlier. In Weezer’s case they were totally off. Lots of mistakes. The crowd still enjoyed it but it wasn’t a great performance.
I’ve never liked Weezer but I saw them in 95-96 with a group of friends. And wow did the crowd seem to be having a great time. Probably one of the first times and I had experienced/seen that level of crowd engagement
This could have been a trainwreck, but it wound up being amazing.
In 1995, along with many other concertgoers, I put on all my black clothing, Docs, and maybe some eyeliner, and made my way to The Edge in Orlando, Florida, to see goth legend Peter Murphy.
When I got into the venue to check out what had to be a stellar new goth or industrial act opening for him, I was floored to find this little teenage hippie girl yodeling on the stage. I looked around me, and everyone else was pretty floored as well. I mean, we were all just mesmerized by this hippie girl yodeling on stage at a Peter Murphy concert. Some of us wondered if maybe it was a local kid who just snuck up there. It wasn't, though; it was the legitimate opening act for the show, and her name was Jewel.
And pretty much everyone there who caught her act that day bought her CD. After that, I knew that she would be a household name in no time.
I must be the luckiest music fan on earth. I've never seen a show that I thought was a train wreck, never a truly awful show, never one I walked away from feeling cheated. Like my Pop once said, "I'm a lucky Lux!"
Same. I've seen a couple of mediocre performers but nobody that was a true train wreck. The only thing I've ever left early was when the Mars Volta was the first of two openers for the RHCP. We went into the concourse for the duration because it was unbelievably loud...I hadn't heard of them so I didn't know any songs. But that's not quite the same thing.
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yeah, I don't recall ever seeing a train wreck. left one show early; Xavier Rudd. he wasn't bad, it just got boring after a while, and knowing it was well into the set, my wife and I decided to beat the traffic.
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I must be the luckiest music fan on earth. I've never seen a show that I thought was a train wreck, never a truly awful show, never one I walked away from feeling cheated. Like my Pop once said, "I'm a lucky Lux!"
Same. I've seen a couple of mediocre performers but nobody that was a true train wreck. The only thing I've ever left early was when the Mars Volta was the first of two openers for the RHCP. We went into the concourse for the duration because it was unbelievably loud...I hadn't heard of them so I didn't know any songs. But that's not quite the same thing.
I LOVE The Mars Volta but 05 FTM show I saw was a labor
Not a lot of train wrecks. Two notable bands who were about to break up and they knew it.
Weezer 97 Gaslight Anthem 14
GA were just running through the motions. still sounded good but the fire wasn’t there that I had seen five years earlier. In Weezer’s case they were totally off. Lots of mistakes. The crowd still enjoyed it but it wasn’t a great performance.
It's interesting. I saw Soundgarden in Vancouver at the end of '96, and you could tell there was some friction going on, but they lit the place on fire. The animosity seemed to improve the show
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Man I've been really lucky with Counting Crows. Twice in Dublin and once in Auckland and they were great every time. Same with Deftones who I've heard are hit and miss.
PJ Milan 2018 was the closest. Obviously better than London 1. Ed struggled and they only played 18 songs but kudos to Mike who kept it afloat with his pyrotechnics.
When you have guys like Mike and Matt who can step up for their band mates who can't be at 100% and still give an epic show you have some talent in your band.
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I was in the lineup for the one in Vancouver. The venue didn't let anyone in, it was pissing rain. And time passed when the doors were supposed to open, and about half hour late they cancelled the show without letting anyone in. It made the news as this big riot the next day, but all I remember is 20 or 30 people breaking shit, and 16000+ people running away trying to figure out where to go when police were trying to scatter the crowed. Then some poor guy got stuck on the wrong side of the police line, tried to run to the crowed and a cop leveled his face with a billy club. Then people started throwing stones an annihilating the cop car. Presumedly the show was cancelled because Axl was late.
Then a few years later I tried to see them when living in Edmonton. Complete opposite of Vancouver. If a dude is notorious for showing up late, then plan around it.. lol. Edmonton had the venue prepped to stay open late. They left LRT's as station to get people back to town when the show was over. It ended up being a helluva good show. Vancouver were idiots and didn't know how to plan for a GNR show, Edmonton was amazing
I went to see his 1st show back since his decision to quit performing in the '70's. It was sold out and tickets were expensive. He opened with a few new songs that were okay, but everybody was there for his classics, obviously.
Then he leaves the stage for the 2nd part of the show- what he kept telling the audience was a 'surprise'. This was supposed to be a preview of a new musical he had conceived that was going to open in London. It was a full blown musical of his most famous songs with loads of actors and a full stage design- set to a theme of some kid struggling in life, and it went on FOREVER. In this musical portion were all his best tunes being sung by actors. I actually felt bad for them. The audience completely turned. The whistles and boos were nearly drowning them out and people were streaming for the exits. A song would end and you were just praying it was over, but the actors would come back onstage and start singing songs like Wild World. The audience was losing its mind, literally standing up and screaming at the actors. The whole thing was just so embarrassing, I don't know what Cat was thinking.
He came back onstage for the 3rd part and started with another new song he had recently written. More boos. Then he played a few classics which settled everybody down, but the damage had been done. I've never been so uncomfortable at a show in my life. I'd say about half the audience had left before he returned for the 3rd part. He apologised at the end.
After the Dublin show, he was set to perform a few more shows in the UK. At least for those shows he rejigged the entire thing and shortened the musical part- putting it first if I remember.
I must be the luckiest music fan on earth. I've never seen a show that I thought was a train wreck, never a truly awful show, never one I walked away from feeling cheated. Like my Pop once said, "I'm a lucky Lux!"
Same. I've seen a couple of mediocre performers but nobody that was a true train wreck. The only thing I've ever left early was when the Mars Volta was the first of two openers for the RHCP. We went into the concourse for the duration because it was unbelievably loud...I hadn't heard of them so I didn't know any songs. But that's not quite the same thing.
Was that the Excel Energy Center show on the Stadium Arcadium tour? I was at that show. They were loud, the lead singer went out in the crowd and was grabbing random people's beers and throwing them in the air and then chucked a giant trash can at the back of the floor, haha. I liked the set though but most didn't appear into it at all. RHCP was good as was the jam at the end with the Mars Volta guitarist.
Not sure if it was a trainwreck, but the worst show I've seen was Blink 182 in 2004. They sounded pretty bad. Was indifferent about No Doubt opening, and they ended up blowing Blink out of the amphitheater - what an energetic show they put on.
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Counting Crows produced one of their generation's great albums in August And Everything After, but I've seen them live a few times over the years and they have never been good.
Bob Dylan was rough when I saw him in 1999. Can't imagine it's gotten any better. Phil Lesh and Friends opened that night and they were awesome.
Mudhoney was AWFUL in 2011, but that was more of a personal taste thing than a trainwreck. That's just how they are supposed to sound and how loud they are supposed to be.
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So not really a train wreck, just different
-EV 8/14/93
Worst opening act ever...worse than Manson jerking off a dildo almost shutting NIN down in Muncie....worse than than fucking wierd guy opening for Explosions in the Sky...Lichens.....worse than Metal Church inducing projectile vomiting over 3 rows at Metallica...
When Dylan sang, or lack thereof, the crowd left in droves.
His voice was hoarse and monotone.
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I'll bet! That guy is amazing!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-EV 8/14/93
Gaslight Anthem 14
GA were just running through the motions. still sounded good but the fire wasn’t there that I had seen five years earlier. In Weezer’s case they were totally off. Lots of mistakes. The crowd still enjoyed it but it wasn’t a great performance.
In 1995, along with many other concertgoers, I put on all my black clothing, Docs, and maybe some eyeliner, and made my way to The Edge in Orlando, Florida, to see goth legend Peter Murphy.
When I got into the venue to check out what had to be a stellar new goth or industrial act opening for him, I was floored to find this little teenage hippie girl yodeling on the stage. I looked around me, and everyone else was pretty floored as well. I mean, we were all just mesmerized by this hippie girl yodeling on stage at a Peter Murphy concert. Some of us wondered if maybe it was a local kid who just snuck up there. It wasn't, though; it was the legitimate opening act for the show, and her name was Jewel.
And pretty much everyone there who caught her act that day bought her CD. After that, I knew that she would be a household name in no time.
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-EV 8/14/93
It's interesting. I saw Soundgarden in Vancouver at the end of '96, and you could tell there was some friction going on, but they lit the place on fire. The animosity seemed to improve the show
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RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
PJ Milan 2018 was the closest. Obviously better than London 1. Ed struggled and they only played 18 songs but kudos to Mike who kept it afloat with his pyrotechnics.
When you have guys like Mike and Matt who can step up for their band mates who can't be at 100% and still give an epic show you have some talent in your band.
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I went to see his 1st show back since his decision to quit performing in the '70's. It was sold out and tickets were expensive. He opened with a few new songs that were okay, but everybody was there for his classics, obviously.
Then he leaves the stage for the 2nd part of the show- what he kept telling the audience was a 'surprise'. This was supposed to be a preview of a new musical he had conceived that was going to open in London. It was a full blown musical of his most famous songs with loads of actors and a full stage design- set to a theme of some kid struggling in life, and it went on FOREVER. In this musical portion were all his best tunes being sung by actors. I actually felt bad for them. The audience completely turned. The whistles and boos were nearly drowning them out and people were streaming for the exits. A song would end and you were just praying it was over, but the actors would come back onstage and start singing songs like Wild World. The audience was losing its mind, literally standing up and screaming at the actors. The whole thing was just so embarrassing, I don't know what Cat was thinking.
He came back onstage for the 3rd part and started with another new song he had recently written. More boos. Then he played a few classics which settled everybody down, but the damage had been done. I've never been so uncomfortable at a show in my life. I'd say about half the audience had left before he returned for the 3rd part. He apologised at the end.
After the Dublin show, he was set to perform a few more shows in the UK. At least for those shows he rejigged the entire thing and shortened the musical part- putting it first if I remember.
-EV 8/14/93
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Bob Dylan was rough when I saw him in 1999. Can't imagine it's gotten any better. Phil Lesh and Friends opened that night and they were awesome.
Mudhoney was AWFUL in 2011, but that was more of a personal taste thing than a trainwreck. That's just how they are supposed to sound and how loud they are supposed to be.
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