Long Road: Pearl Jam and the Soundtrack of a Generation
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pjhawks said:
It didn't hold my interest all that much. well first thing is I love how every writer talks about how PJ is the only band from the 90s Seattle left and they have endured for over 30 years...then mostly ignores everything after Yield. The author admits he didn't listen to PJ for 12 years and basically just glosses over post Yield songs. Even the songs he talks about I found a bit condescending talk about them. Like snubbing his nose that 90s Ed essentially wrote a wedding song in the 2000s. oh the horror. Why not delve more into why they are still around and how and why they became a must see live act. The 2000s have played a role in their legacy as well. It's just the 90s. I also didn't need to have multiple pages on Bill Clinton's policies and Bradley Cooper's A Star is Born. yea yea yea he hung with Ed and looked like him in the movie. no shit.rummy said:
I'm listening...pjhawks said:Just finished it. Thought it sucked
I have just finished it and totally agree. Thought it started well, but from yield onwards was really poor.
I thought it was going to be a commentary on how the band are still going, how connected to the fans they are, how incredible the live experience is.
Plus he even gets basics wrong, like stating they have never played Chloe Dancer.
Disappointed.Now it all comes down to numbers, now I'm glad that I have quit
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Pearl Jam’s Long Road and Live Albums with Steven Hyden0
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I enjoyed the book but thought he had some really big misses.... not going into detail about iconic shows like Soldier Field, Randall's Island, MSG 2 98 is unfortunate - those show's are pivotal to the bands legend and help create the touring fan.If I were Eddie Vedder, would you like me any better? - Local H0
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A must listen for every #PearlJam fan! Repost from @acrossthemargin
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Across The Margin: The Podcast celebrates the life, career, and music of Pearl Jam with the author of Long Road: Pearl Jam and the Soundtrack of a Generation, Steven Hyden. On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and at OsirisPod.com now! @steven_hydenwriter @osirispod #PearlJam #LongRoad
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'60 Songs That Explain the ’90s’: But First, Pearl Jam
It’s “Yellow Ledbetter” time, with help from our old friend Steven Hyden
https://www.theringer.com/2022/12/7/23497266/pearl-jam-yellow-ledbetter-podcast
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I finally read this book while traveling over the holidays. One thing really stood out, and not in a good way. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a book from a major publisher that was so sloppily edited and fact-checked. There are many factual errors, from incorrect song titles (it's "Stardog Champion," not "Star Dog Champion"; and "Long Road," not "The Long Road"-- the title of the book makes the latter error especially egregious) to incorrect song lyrics ("Once" is quoted as "I've got a .16-gauge buried under my nose" instead of "clothes" and "Footsteps" as "I've got scratches all over my arms/One for each day that I fell apart" instead of "since." Hyden writes that the 18-month interval (actually 17 months and 7 days) between the releases of No Code and Yield was the shortest interval between Pearl Jam album releases; no, the 13 months or so between Vs. and Vitalogy was the shortest such interval. (It depends on how you count the early vinyl releases of those albums, but regardless it's 13-and-a-half months at most.) There are even typographical errors. You would expect this kind of product from a self-published work, not a book put out by Hachette, one of the Big Five publishers.
These are just a few examples from memory-- I read the book mostly on a plane three weeks ago and did not keep track of the mistakes-- but there were many examples. I'm not even sure Hyden has Ed's job when he first hooked up with the band right. (Hyden repeatedly describes Ed as having been as a gas-station attendant; my understanding from Ed's description is that he was working a night watchman/security gig at an oil refinery or other oil-and-gas-related facility, but maybe I have misunderstood that.)
These errors made it hard to take any factual claims made by Hyden at face value. At a minimum, the book needs a serious scrub before paperback publication. Hyden thanks his editor and fact-checker by name in the acknowledgments, but they dropped the ball on this one.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
BF25394 said:I finally read this book while traveling over the holidays. One thing really stood out, and not in a good way. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a book from a major publisher that was so sloppily edited and fact-checked. There are many factual errors, from incorrect song titles (it's "Stardog Champion," not "Star Dog Champion"; and "Long Road," not "The Long Road"-- the title of the book makes the latter error especially egregious) to incorrect song lyrics ("Once" is quoted as "I've got a .16-gauge buried under my nose" instead of "clothes" and "Footsteps" as "I've got scratches all over my arms/One for each day that I fell apart" instead of "since." Hyden writes that the 18-month interval (actually 17 months and 7 days) between the releases of No Code and Yield was the shortest interval between Pearl Jam album releases; no, the 13 months or so between Vs. and Vitalogy was the shortest such interval. (It depends on how you count the early vinyl releases of those albums, but regardless it's 13-and-a-half months at most.) There are even typographical errors. You would expect this kind of product from a self-published work, not a book put out by Hachette, one of the Big Five publishers.
These are just a few examples from memory-- I read the book mostly on a plane three weeks ago and did not keep track of the mistakes-- but there were many examples. I'm not even sure Hyden has Ed's job when he first hooked up with the band right. (Hyden repeatedly describes Ed as having been as a gas-station attendant; my understanding from Ed's description is that he was working a night watchman/security gig at an oil refinery or other oil-and-gas-related facility, but maybe I have misunderstood that.)
These errors made it hard to take any factual claims made by Hyden at face value. At a minimum, the book needs a serious scrub before paperback publication. Hyden thanks his editor and fact-checker by name in the acknowledgments, but they dropped the ball on this one.
I have not read this book yet, so take this for what it's worth: your post sounds so petty and pedantic. Stardog Champion vs. Star Dog Champion? Really? That's one of the things that offended you enough to post here? Don't quit your day job, whatever it is. Holy jeez.
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mdgsolo said:BF25394 said:I finally read this book while traveling over the holidays. One thing really stood out, and not in a good way. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a book from a major publisher that was so sloppily edited and fact-checked. There are many factual errors, from incorrect song titles (it's "Stardog Champion," not "Star Dog Champion"; and "Long Road," not "The Long Road"-- the title of the book makes the latter error especially egregious) to incorrect song lyrics ("Once" is quoted as "I've got a .16-gauge buried under my nose" instead of "clothes" and "Footsteps" as "I've got scratches all over my arms/One for each day that I fell apart" instead of "since." Hyden writes that the 18-month interval (actually 17 months and 7 days) between the releases of No Code and Yield was the shortest interval between Pearl Jam album releases; no, the 13 months or so between Vs. and Vitalogy was the shortest such interval. (It depends on how you count the early vinyl releases of those albums, but regardless it's 13-and-a-half months at most.) There are even typographical errors. You would expect this kind of product from a self-published work, not a book put out by Hachette, one of the Big Five publishers.
These are just a few examples from memory-- I read the book mostly on a plane three weeks ago and did not keep track of the mistakes-- but there were many examples. I'm not even sure Hyden has Ed's job when he first hooked up with the band right. (Hyden repeatedly describes Ed as having been as a gas-station attendant; my understanding from Ed's description is that he was working a night watchman/security gig at an oil refinery or other oil-and-gas-related facility, but maybe I have misunderstood that.)
These errors made it hard to take any factual claims made by Hyden at face value. At a minimum, the book needs a serious scrub before paperback publication. Hyden thanks his editor and fact-checker by name in the acknowledgments, but they dropped the ball on this one.
I have not read this book yet, so take this for what it's worth: your post sounds so petty and pedantic. Stardog Champion vs. Star Dog Champion? Really? That's one of the things that offended you enough to post here? Don't quit your day job, whatever it is. Holy jeez.
It is not petty to expect a published work that I paid good money for not to be littered with factual errors, especially a work from a major publisher that employed a fact-checker.
It would be pedantic if "Stardog Champion" were incorrectly referenced and that was all but, as I noted, that is only one of a litany of errors throughout the book. Song titles, lyrics, names, dates, biographical facts-- there are numerous mistakes in each of these areas. Perhaps you should read the book before weighing in. And anyone reading the book should take any of its factual claims with a grain of salt. That's the point of the critique.
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Cool, but hard pass on this. PJ20 is still IMO the definitive PJ book.www.cluthelee.com0
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Got this for Xmas and will start reading soon. Excited, but expectations are low. Curious that Sirens is his pick for a late career song to write a chapter about.
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