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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,889
    2 reasons 

    1. Republicans never admit therefore it didn’t happen
    2. a democrat will call out this kind of behaviour of another democrat. That is confirmation of the misdeed and only gives republicans ammo. Furthermore it makes democrats “disloyal” which is just as bad in the eyes of republicans 

    You can’t win either way
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,330
    I have been seeing FB posts stating that Hillary is going to jail again. That she is livid that someone is testifying against her in the Durham thing, etc.


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  • static111static111 Posts: 3,822
    I have been seeing FB posts stating that Hillary is going to jail again. That she is livid that someone is testifying against her in the Durham thing, etc.


    Apparently a campaign manager said something.  I have read the exchange and I'm not sure it admits to wrongdoing other than stating that she authorized going forward with opposition research.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639
    We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
    How’s this fois gras tasting? Pay particular attention to pages 22 through 25. Don’t forget your glass of whine.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22039718-051322_-_team_m_-_response

    Team Mueller? Is that you? Bull Durham will be left with a ham fisted sammich.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,700
    We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
    How’s this fois gras tasting? Pay particular attention to pages 22 through 25. Don’t forget your glass of whine.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22039718-051322_-_team_m_-_response

    Team Mueller? Is that you? Bull Durham will be left with a ham fisted sammich.

    But that was all fabricated by the Hillary Hoax
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,330
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville 
  • static111static111 Posts: 3,822
    how many of our taxpayer dollars have been wasted on this witch hunt?

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639
    BAHAHAHAHAHAHA! How’s that fois gras? But you know, folks who believe and now will say Hillary tampered with the jury are why this country is so very fucked. BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,023
    We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 7,185

    They've already shifted to the talking point that jurors were compromised. 

    It was rigged, just like the 2020 election, and just like the 2016 election was going to be if TFG lost. 


    They never lose, they win or it's rigged. 



    Reality and facts don't stand a chance against this movement. I don't think our country does either. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,330
    We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
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    hilarious....I remember arguing with people on twitter that nothing would come from this. Even if guilty there likely wouldn't have been much of a sentence.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,023
    We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
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    hilarious....I remember arguing with people on twitter that nothing would come from this. Even if guilty there likely wouldn't have been much of a sentence.
    And Mr rolemodelsinblood here has been hyping up, and moving the goalposts, and hyping up again this investigation for YEARS. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,330
    I'm sure the alt right has determined that this was all Q's plan all along. Big things are coming...stay the course!
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639
    I'm sure the alt right has determined that this was all Q's plan all along. Big things are coming...stay the course!
    No justice, no peace?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,023


    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/john-durham-michael-sussman-verdict-not-guilty-russia-alfabank-trump-barr-fbi-clinton.html



    John Durham Tried to Prove Trump’s Russiagate Theory. Instead He Debunked It.

     

    Trump’s prosecutor face-plants.

    Donald Trump and William Barr have spent years alleging that the Russia investigation was a criminal plot by the FBI. The Department of Justice’s inspector general found the Russia investigation was adequately predicated, but Barr disagreed. So he selected a prosecutor, John Durham, who would supposedly uncover this scheme and begin frog-marching its perpetrators to justice.

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    By 2020, Barr was conceding that Durham might not reach all the way up to Barack Obama but would bring down his accomplices. “As to President Obama and Vice-President Biden,” he said that spring, “whatever their level of involvement, based on the information I have today, I don’t expect Mr. Durham’s work will lead to a criminal investigation of either man. Our concern over potential criminality is focused on others.” By the fall, Barr was reportedly “communicating that Durham is taking his investigation extremely seriously and is focused on winning prosecutions.”

    However focused he may be, Durham is not winning prosecutions. His investigation has produced one extremely small fish – a guilty plea by FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith* for a likely immaterial error. And now he is losing prosecutions. Durham abused his authority by trying to prosecute Michael Sussmann, a lawyer working for Hillary Clinton, whom Durham tried to convict on a single perjury charge. And the case turns out to have been so pathetically threadbare that it resulted in a rapid acquittal.

    Sussmann went to the FBI in 2016 with evidence compiled by computer researchers that the Trump campaign was coordinating with Russia through a server run by the Russian bank Alfabank. The scientists were not sure if the server was a communications link between Trump and Russia and wanted the FBI to investigate. The link was never proven, and the FBI quickly decided not to pursue the thread, though Dexter Filkins has argued in detail that the case remains uncertain.

    The charge against Sussmann alleged that he misled the FBI by saying he was not working on behalf of a client when in fact he was working for the Hillary Clinton campaign. Not only is a single charge of lying to the FBI weak tea for a prosecution, it was obvious all along that the evidence for even this small charge was tenuous. The prosecution hung its case on the testimony of one FBI official, James Baker, based entirely on his recollection of a conversation. Baker, however, was foggy on many of the specifics of his interactions with Sussmann, and even testified to Congress that he couldn’t remember if he knew who Sussmann was working for.

    The trial went badly enough for Durham that his fans in the right-wing media were already laying the groundwork for acquittal by blaming the judge for allowing a juror who believed (but wasn’t sure) she had contributed to Clinton’s campaign. That excuse might have held some water in the event of a hung jury. But the jury’s unanimous and extremely speedy verdict suggests a single possible former Clinton-donating juror is not the reason. The reason is that Durham didn’t have the goods.

    The fact Durham even had to bring this case was a testament to the failure of his probe. He had set out to uncover the FBI’s crimes against Mr. Trump. He was reduced to trying, and failing, to prosecute somebody for lying to the FBI.

    In the meantime, Durham supplied hours of commentary for Fox News personalities by filling his indictment with lurid claims that were not backed by evidence. Durham attempted to use the Sussmann trial to prove a version of the theory Trump claimed all along: that the Clinton campaign and the FBI had opened an investigation into Trump, knowing its evidence was fake, and then leaked the evidence of the investigation to the media in order to elect Hillary.

    Durham tried to use his charge against Sussmann as a hook for the larger conspiracy theory that he, Trump, and Barr have been expounding: that investigation was ginned up in order to smear Trump in the media before the election. “You can see what the plan was,” Assistant Special Counsel Andrew DeFilippis told the jury. “It was to create an October surprise by giving information both to the media and to the FBI to get the media to write that there was an FBI investigation.”

    There are several flaws with this theory. The first is that the Russia investigation was already underway before Sussmann approached the FBI with his suspicions about the server.

    The second is that the FBI never leaked its investigation until after Trump was elected. The only reporting on the whole matter before the election was in a New York Times report that the FBI “saw no clear link to Russia.” Meanwhile, the Hillary Clinton investigation had sprung leaks all over the place. So the Trump-Barr-Durham theory somehow posits that the FBI set up a phony investigation in order to leak it and then forgot to leak, instead doing the opposite by telling the Times that the Bureau did not suspect the Trump campaign.

    Indeed, the Sussmann trial revealed that the Clinton campaign did not want the FBI to open a probe into the Alfabank server because it feared an investigation would make it less likely that the media would write about the story at all. So to the extent Durham deepened the public understanding of Trump’s conspiracy theory of the Russia investigation, he inadvertently undermined it. I argued in 2020 that Joe Biden’s Justice Department was correct to let Durham continue his investigation because it would expose the hollowness of Trump’s allegations. And it has.

    The final, largest hole in the conspiracy theory is that there were in fact serious grounds for suspicion. By 2016 it was already apparent that Trump had hired as his campaign manager a guy who owed money to a Russian oligarch and who had previously managed the foreign campaign of a Russian puppet, had publicly asked Russia to hack his opponent’s emails, had exploited the results of that hack, among other things. The investigation turned up many more details, including a secret meeting where Trump’s campaign manager passed polling data on to a Russian agent, a secret business deal that promised to give Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in profit at no risk (and which he was exposing himself to Russian blackmail by denying in public), and so on.

    Why would Sussmann go to the FBI? No doubt he wanted Clinton to win. Durham presupposes this was his only motive. But Sussmann was also privy to an allegation whose technical details he wasn’t qualified to judge, but which had potentially alarming implications. The reason Sussmann was afraid Trump posed a security threat to the United States is that Trump posed a security threat to the United States.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639


    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/john-durham-michael-sussman-verdict-not-guilty-russia-alfabank-trump-barr-fbi-clinton.html



    John Durham Tried to Prove Trump’s Russiagate Theory. Instead He Debunked It.

     

    Trump’s prosecutor face-plants.

    Donald Trump and William Barr have spent years alleging that the Russia investigation was a criminal plot by the FBI. The Department of Justice’s inspector general found the Russia investigation was adequately predicated, but Barr disagreed. So he selected a prosecutor, John Durham, who would supposedly uncover this scheme and begin frog-marching its perpetrators to justice.

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    By 2020, Barr was conceding that Durham might not reach all the way up to Barack Obama but would bring down his accomplices. “As to President Obama and Vice-President Biden,” he said that spring, “whatever their level of involvement, based on the information I have today, I don’t expect Mr. Durham’s work will lead to a criminal investigation of either man. Our concern over potential criminality is focused on others.” By the fall, Barr was reportedly “communicating that Durham is taking his investigation extremely seriously and is focused on winning prosecutions.”

    However focused he may be, Durham is not winning prosecutions. His investigation has produced one extremely small fish – a guilty plea by FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith* for a likely immaterial error. And now he is losing prosecutions. Durham abused his authority by trying to prosecute Michael Sussmann, a lawyer working for Hillary Clinton, whom Durham tried to convict on a single perjury charge. And the case turns out to have been so pathetically threadbare that it resulted in a rapid acquittal.

    Sussmann went to the FBI in 2016 with evidence compiled by computer researchers that the Trump campaign was coordinating with Russia through a server run by the Russian bank Alfabank. The scientists were not sure if the server was a communications link between Trump and Russia and wanted the FBI to investigate. The link was never proven, and the FBI quickly decided not to pursue the thread, though Dexter Filkins has argued in detail that the case remains uncertain.

    The charge against Sussmann alleged that he misled the FBI by saying he was not working on behalf of a client when in fact he was working for the Hillary Clinton campaign. Not only is a single charge of lying to the FBI weak tea for a prosecution, it was obvious all along that the evidence for even this small charge was tenuous. The prosecution hung its case on the testimony of one FBI official, James Baker, based entirely on his recollection of a conversation. Baker, however, was foggy on many of the specifics of his interactions with Sussmann, and even testified to Congress that he couldn’t remember if he knew who Sussmann was working for.

    The trial went badly enough for Durham that his fans in the right-wing media were already laying the groundwork for acquittal by blaming the judge for allowing a juror who believed (but wasn’t sure) she had contributed to Clinton’s campaign. That excuse might have held some water in the event of a hung jury. But the jury’s unanimous and extremely speedy verdict suggests a single possible former Clinton-donating juror is not the reason. The reason is that Durham didn’t have the goods.

    The fact Durham even had to bring this case was a testament to the failure of his probe. He had set out to uncover the FBI’s crimes against Mr. Trump. He was reduced to trying, and failing, to prosecute somebody for lying to the FBI.

    In the meantime, Durham supplied hours of commentary for Fox News personalities by filling his indictment with lurid claims that were not backed by evidence. Durham attempted to use the Sussmann trial to prove a version of the theory Trump claimed all along: that the Clinton campaign and the FBI had opened an investigation into Trump, knowing its evidence was fake, and then leaked the evidence of the investigation to the media in order to elect Hillary.

    Durham tried to use his charge against Sussmann as a hook for the larger conspiracy theory that he, Trump, and Barr have been expounding: that investigation was ginned up in order to smear Trump in the media before the election. “You can see what the plan was,” Assistant Special Counsel Andrew DeFilippis told the jury. “It was to create an October surprise by giving information both to the media and to the FBI to get the media to write that there was an FBI investigation.”

    There are several flaws with this theory. The first is that the Russia investigation was already underway before Sussmann approached the FBI with his suspicions about the server.

    The second is that the FBI never leaked its investigation until after Trump was elected. The only reporting on the whole matter before the election was in a New York Times report that the FBI “saw no clear link to Russia.” Meanwhile, the Hillary Clinton investigation had sprung leaks all over the place. So the Trump-Barr-Durham theory somehow posits that the FBI set up a phony investigation in order to leak it and then forgot to leak, instead doing the opposite by telling the Times that the Bureau did not suspect the Trump campaign.

    Indeed, the Sussmann trial revealed that the Clinton campaign did not want the FBI to open a probe into the Alfabank server because it feared an investigation would make it less likely that the media would write about the story at all. So to the extent Durham deepened the public understanding of Trump’s conspiracy theory of the Russia investigation, he inadvertently undermined it. I argued in 2020 that Joe Biden’s Justice Department was correct to let Durham continue his investigation because it would expose the hollowness of Trump’s allegations. And it has.

    The final, largest hole in the conspiracy theory is that there were in fact serious grounds for suspicion. By 2016 it was already apparent that Trump had hired as his campaign manager a guy who owed money to a Russian oligarch and who had previously managed the foreign campaign of a Russian puppet, had publicly asked Russia to hack his opponent’s emails, had exploited the results of that hack, among other things. The investigation turned up many more details, including a secret meeting where Trump’s campaign manager passed polling data on to a Russian agent, a secret business deal that promised to give Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in profit at no risk (and which he was exposing himself to Russian blackmail by denying in public), and so on.

    Why would Sussmann go to the FBI? No doubt he wanted Clinton to win. Durham presupposes this was his only motive. But Sussmann was also privy to an allegation whose technical details he wasn’t qualified to judge, but which had potentially alarming implications. The reason Sussmann was afraid Trump posed a security threat to the United States is that Trump posed a security threat to the United States.

    And still does.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,124
    i believe this whole thing is what don jr would call "a big nothingburger".
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,889
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    static111 said:
    how many of our taxpayer dollars have been wasted on this witch hunt?

    A lot I’m sure. Probably way less though than the tax   payer burden that happens every time Texas sues the federal government 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,639

    Former President Trump on Tuesday expressed outrage at the news that Micheal Sussmann, a lawyer who represented Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic Party, was found not guilty of lying to the FBI.

    Sussmann is being investigated by a special counsel in relation to the origins of the bureau’s probe of Trump’s 2016 campaign for president.

    “Our Legal System is CORRUPT, our Judges (and Justices!) are highly partisan, compromised or just plain scared, our Borders are OPEN, our Elections are Rigged, Inflation is RAMPANT, gas prices and food costs are “through the roof,” our Military “Leadership” is Woke, our Country is going to HELL, and Michael Sussmann is not guilty,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social, the small conservative social networking site he founded.

    “While we are disappointed in the outcome, we respect the jury’s decision and thank them for their service. I also want to recognize and thank the investigators and the prosecution team for their dedicated efforts in seeking truth and justice in this case,” John Durham, the special counsel, said in a statement on Tuesday.

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  • static111static111 Posts: 3,822

    Former President Trump on Tuesday expressed outrage at the news that Micheal Sussmann, a lawyer who represented Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic Party, was found not guilty of lying to the FBI.

    Sussmann is being investigated by a special counsel in relation to the origins of the bureau’s probe of Trump’s 2016 campaign for president.

    “Our Legal System is CORRUPT, our Judges (and Justices!) are highly partisan, compromised or just plain scared, our Borders are OPEN, our Elections are Rigged, Inflation is RAMPANT, gas prices and food costs are “through the roof,” our Military “Leadership” is Woke, our Country is going to HELL, and Michael Sussmann is not guilty,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social, the small conservative social networking site he founded.

    “While we are disappointed in the outcome, we respect the jury’s decision and thank them for their service. I also want to recognize and thank the investigators and the prosecution team for their dedicated efforts in seeking truth and justice in this case,” John Durham, the special counsel, said in a statement on Tuesday.

    lol our legal system is corrupt when the verdict is given by the most impartial jury they were able to pick...ok
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,656

    Former President Trump on Tuesday expressed outrage at the news that Micheal Sussmann, a lawyer who represented Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic Party, was found not guilty of lying to the FBI.

    Sussmann is being investigated by a special counsel in relation to the origins of the bureau’s probe of Trump’s 2016 campaign for president.

    Our Legal System is CORRUPT, our Judges (and Justices!) are highly partisan, compromised or just plain scared, our Borders are OPEN, our Elections are Rigged, Inflation is RAMPANT, gas prices and food costs are “through the roof,” our Military “Leadership” is Woke, our Country is going to HELL, and Michael Sussmann is not guilty,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social, the small conservative social networking site he founded.

    “While we are disappointed in the outcome, we respect the jury’s decision and thank them for their service. I also want to recognize and thank the investigators and the prosecution team for their dedicated efforts in seeking truth and justice in this case,” John Durham, the special counsel, said in a statement on Tuesday.

    sounds like the rantings of a truly desperate man. 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,889

    Former President Trump on Tuesday expressed outrage at the news that Micheal Sussmann, a lawyer who represented Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic Party, was found not guilty of lying to the FBI.

    Sussmann is being investigated by a special counsel in relation to the origins of the bureau’s probe of Trump’s 2016 campaign for president.

    Our Legal System is CORRUPT, our Judges (and Justices!) are highly partisan, compromised or just plain scared, our Borders are OPEN, our Elections are Rigged, Inflation is RAMPANT, gas prices and food costs are “through the roof,” our Military “Leadership” is Woke, our Country is going to HELL, and Michael Sussmann is not guilty,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social, the small conservative social networking site he founded.

    “While we are disappointed in the outcome, we respect the jury’s decision and thank them for their service. I also want to recognize and thank the investigators and the prosecution team for their dedicated efforts in seeking truth and justice in this case,” John Durham, the special counsel, said in a statement on Tuesday.

    sounds like the rantings of a truly desperate man. 
    It’s ironic it’s corrupt if it doesn’t
    do exactly what he wants 

    It’s compromised if it doesn’t 
    Bend to political pressure 

    its partisan if it doesn’t 
    deliver a partisan result 

    it’s scared when it 
    Basically ignores threats and rants 

    an election is rigged 
    anytime you lose but never when you don’t 

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