Durham Investigation

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/14/politics/durham-sussmann-filing/index.html

My FB feed is blowing up with tRumpsters yapping about this Durham bombshell. Mostly about how the media is ignoring it.

I wonder how the "vague, technical language" will turn out. 

Am I missing anything else? The right acts like they just discovered Hillary was planting evidence.


(CNN)Special counsel John Durham accused a lawyer for the Democrats of sharing with the CIA in 2017 internet data purported to show Russian-made phones being used in the vicinity of the White House complex, as part of a broader effort to raise the intelligence community's suspicions of Donald Trump's ties to Russia shortly after he took office.

The accusation -- which Durham couched in vague, technical language in a court filing late Friday -- has been seized upon by Trump and his supporters, who claim the former President was subjected to a smear campaign.
Durham says in the filing that Michael Sussmann, the Democratic lawyer, spoke about internet data related to Trump in a meeting with a federal agency, which sources say was the CIA, more than five years ago. Sussmann claimed the information "demonstrated that Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations," according to the filing.
    Durham's office said it found nothing to support the allegation. The special counsel also noted that the data showed a Russian phone provider connection involving the Executive Office of the President "during the Obama administration and years before Trump took office."

    The data was compiled by a tech firm that had special access to the purportedly suspicious internet data through an "arrangement" with the US government, and that firm was in touch with Sussmann, according to the filing.
      An executive at the tech company, Rodney Joffe, and his associates exploited this arrangement by mining domain name system traffic associated with the Executive Office of the President and other data "for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump," Durham's prosecutors wrote.



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      • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,332
        For the record...in my opinion people that break the law should be charged. I don't care who it is. 

        It just seems like this investigation is trickling out minor shit and giving tRumpsters ammo.  
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      • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,332


        Costello from the grave giving some insight....
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      • static111static111 Posts: 3,822
        I have heard some of the same shit, but when I look into it it appears to be a nothing burger.  The allegation is that they were illegally spying on trump and falsifying information to make him look like collusion existed.  If true that is pretty bad.  However it does not appear that any of this can be substantiated.
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      • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,332
        Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

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      • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
        It’s a desperate attempt at distraction. What was the other breaking news of the weekend? POOTWH knew well before the public at large knew that he was going to get dumped by his accounting firm. If this were truly fruit from the poisonous tree, there’d be an indictment issued via grand jury testimony. Plus, gym Jordan prattling on about Hillary and executions tells you everything you need to know. “Law and order.”

        And if a certain poster doesn’t post it, it’s not an indictment or even remotely close to one.
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      • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,332
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      • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
        I wish President Biden and AG Garland would fire Bull Durham and call it a day. You know, a little payback for DisBarred shuttering Team Mueller. After the midterms so the repub congress can froth and foam with hysteria.
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      • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,700

        She says weird shit often about the "establishment" and also around foreign relations, which I guess is why she gets support from a lot of republicans. When they say they'd vote for her, I respond with how I like her stance on Medicare for all and switching to 100% renewables. Then it's crickets.
      • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,700
        static111 said:
        I have heard some of the same shit, but when I look into it it appears to be a nothing burger.  The allegation is that they were illegally spying on trump and falsifying information to make him look like collusion existed.  If true that is pretty bad.  However it does not appear that any of this can be substantiated.

        It's gaslighting from the right to perpetuate the lie that everything Trump - Russia was fabricated. Not only that, it was crooked Hillary doing everything Trump was accused of.
      • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 31,640
        Trying to stay relevant and appeal to the libertarians and indies as some kind of "different" dem than the Soros controlled Deep State type dem.
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      • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
        here we go. facts don't matter. once that false cat's out of the bag, the magats will run with it and call it the next big conspiracy against the orange menace. 
        I think I'll move to Australia


      • static111static111 Posts: 3,822
        static111 said:
        I have heard some of the same shit, but when I look into it it appears to be a nothing burger.  The allegation is that they were illegally spying on trump and falsifying information to make him look like collusion existed.  If true that is pretty bad.  However it does not appear that any of this can be substantiated.

        It's gaslighting from the right to perpetuate the lie that everything Trump - Russia was fabricated. Not only that, it was crooked Hillary doing everything Trump was accused of.
        is this the #obamagate I have been waiting to hear about?
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      • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,332
        static111 said:
        static111 said:
        I have heard some of the same shit, but when I look into it it appears to be a nothing burger.  The allegation is that they were illegally spying on trump and falsifying information to make him look like collusion existed.  If true that is pretty bad.  However it does not appear that any of this can be substantiated.

        It's gaslighting from the right to perpetuate the lie that everything Trump - Russia was fabricated. Not only that, it was crooked Hillary doing everything Trump was accused of.
        is this the #obamagate I have been waiting to hear about?
        I think so...my feed is full of people stating that Hillary, Obama and Biden will all be in jail when it's over.

        What a strange alternative universe that must be.
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      • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 9,832
        static111 said:
        static111 said:
        I have heard some of the same shit, but when I look into it it appears to be a nothing burger.  The allegation is that they were illegally spying on trump and falsifying information to make him look like collusion existed.  If true that is pretty bad.  However it does not appear that any of this can be substantiated.

        It's gaslighting from the right to perpetuate the lie that everything Trump - Russia was fabricated. Not only that, it was crooked Hillary doing everything Trump was accused of.
        is this the #obamagate I have been waiting to hear about?
        I think so...my feed is full of people stating that Hillary, Obama and Biden will all be in jail when it's over.

        What a strange alternative universe that must be.
        Remember these are the same QtRUmplicans that believe that gods orange gift won the election fair and square, that it was Antifa, BLM, and the FBI that attacked the U.S. Capitol, and that JFK Jr. alive.
      • tbergstbergs Posts: 8,750
        static111 said:
        static111 said:
        I have heard some of the same shit, but when I look into it it appears to be a nothing burger.  The allegation is that they were illegally spying on trump and falsifying information to make him look like collusion existed.  If true that is pretty bad.  However it does not appear that any of this can be substantiated.

        It's gaslighting from the right to perpetuate the lie that everything Trump - Russia was fabricated. Not only that, it was crooked Hillary doing everything Trump was accused of.
        is this the #obamagate I have been waiting to hear about?
        I think so...my feed is full of people stating that Hillary, Obama and Biden will all be in jail when it's over.

        What a strange alternative universe that must be.
        Yeah, but there are still people who think Trump is going to jail. I guess this is the flip side of the coin, although much less credible or fact based.
        It's a hopeless situation...
      • Trump is a master at diversion.  He very well may be Satan.  Wish I were a fly on the wall when FF falls over.  Would love to see who comes to get him. 
      • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,332
        https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-donald-trump-campaigns-hillary-clinton-c9b5a084fcd3b3aa8f064592648b0463

        Good summary here..

        WHY DID DURHAM’S CLAIMS CREATE SUCH A BUZZ?

        Mostly because of a handful of paragraphs.

        In the filing, Durham says Sussman in February 2017 presented officials at a U.S. government agency — the CIA — with information derived from internet traffic that Sussmann said showed that “Trump and/or his associates were using supposedly rare, Russian-made wireless phones in the vicinity of the White House and other locations.”

        The Durham team said it has identified no support for those allegations, and said the “purportedly suspicious” data Sussmann was drawing from actually showed that internet traffic involving the Executive Office of the President and the Russian phone provider had begun at least as early as 2014 — when Barack Obama was in the White House.

        The court filing says Sussmann relied on data gathered by a technology executive he worked with whose company, according to Durham, helped maintain servers for the White House.

        The executive, Rodney Joffe, enlisted the help of computer researchers who were already analyzing large amounts of internet data through a federal government cybersecurity research contract, tasking them with mining information to establish an “inference” tying Trump to Russia, the court filing says. The researchers exploited domain name system internet traffic at locations including Trump Tower, Trump’s Central Park West apartment building and the Executive Office of the President, or EOP, Durham said.

        The researchers were not “spying” on the Trump campaign in 2016 but were instead working at the request of federal officials to investigate Russian malware attacks that had targeted the U.S. government and the White House, said Jody Westby, a lawyer for one of the research scientists involved, David Dagon of the Georgia Institute of Technology.

        The U.S. was on high alert at the time after the hacking of Democratic National Committee emails by Russian operatives. The data at issue was from the time Obama, not Trump, was in the White House, according to Westby.

        “They were simply doing ... research of Russian attacks against U.S. entities, including the federal government,” Westby said, adding, “The motion is unfortunate because it offers a lot of confusing information that is not factually accurate.”

        A spokesman for Joffe said in a statement published by several media organizations that Joffe is an “apolitical internet security expert” who has never worked for a political party and who legally provided access to internet traffic data.

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      • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,119


        Sussmann trial jury picked; opening statements set for Tuesday

        In a criminal trial arising out of the 2016 presidential campaign, the lawyer is accused of lying to the FBI

        Yesterday at 6:21 p.m. EDT|Updated today at 7:21 a.m. EDT
        correction

        An earlier version of this story said an FBI agent had pleaded guilty to altering a government email. It should have said an FBI lawyer pleaded guilty. This version has been corrected.

        A jury is set to hear opening statements Tuesday in the trial of Michael Sussmann, a lawyer accused of lying to the FBI in 2016 when he brought the bureau allegations against Donald Trump.

        After one day of questioning potential jurors, U.S. District Court Judge Christopher Cooper assembled a panel to hear the case brought by Special Counsel John Durham against Sussmann, a lawyer who represented Democrats, including the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.

        In September 2016, Sussmann brought potential evidence of computer communications between Trump’s company and a Russian bank. The lawyer is accused of lying when he claimed not to be bringing the information on behalf of any particular client, when prosecutors say he was working on behalf of the Clinton campaign and a technology firm executive.

        The FBI looked into the computer allegation and decided there was nothing suspicious about the data. But Durham charged that Sussmann’s alleged deception caused the FBI to handle the tip more seriously than if they had known it was coming from a Democratic campaign. Sussmann has denied the charge and his lawyers insist even if he had lied about his clients, the lie was irrelevant because the FBI was well aware Sussmann worked for Democrats.

        Throughout Monday’s voir dire, jurors were asked if they could set aside any strong feelings about the 2016 election and decide the Sussmann case based only on the evidence presented in court. At times, the discussion prompted frank exchanges.

        “I remember the 2016 election was kind of a mess and there was a lot of shenanigans,” said one woman who said she strongly disliked Trump.

        At another point, as a different prospective juror faced questions about the intensity of their political views, the judge reminded everyone what the case was not about.

        “We’re not here to re-litigate the 2016 election,” said Cooper. “Donald Trump is not on trial. Hillary Clinton is not on trial.”

        But by its very nature, the case will delve into some of the still-debated issues of the 2016 presidential campaign.

        The false statements charge against Sussmann was brought by Durham, a holdover from the Trump administration who has spent years probing whether U.S. agencies unfairly investigated Trump’s 2016 campaign. The two-week trial will explore the often opaque world of campaign research, lawyers and the role the FBI played in that election, as Trump and Hillary Clinton vied for the presidency, and federal agents pursued very different investigations surrounding each of them.

        The Sussmann case is the first of Durham’s special counsel work to go to trial. Previously, a former FBI lawyer pleaded guilty to altering a government email, and another trial is scheduled in the fall for a Washington-area researcher accused of lying to the FBI about how he gathered allegations against Trump in 2016.



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      • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,892
        For the record...in my opinion people that break the law should be charged. I don't care who it is. 

        It just seems like this investigation is trickling out minor shit and giving tRumpsters ammo.  
        I agree.

        problem is both sides don’t play by the same rules. 

        If a democrat breaks the law in some way, I’d be the first one to support whatever action is appropriate. When a Republican does it, it’s never admit, close ranks, and spin a counter narrative 

        the result it democrats are “corrupt” and republicans are victims of fake news.  At this point until the GOP changes course the democrats have no choice but to play that game. Normal rules is a losing strategy 
      • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,119
        For the record...in my opinion people that break the law should be charged. I don't care who it is. 

        It just seems like this investigation is trickling out minor shit and giving tRumpsters ammo.  
        I agree.

        problem is both sides don’t play by the same rules. 

        If a democrat breaks the law in some way, I’d be the first one to support whatever action is appropriate. When a Republican does it, it’s never admit, close ranks, and spin a counter narrative 

        the result it democrats are “corrupt” and republicans are victims of fake news.  At this point until the GOP changes course the democrats have no choice but to play that game. Normal rules is a losing strategy 

        at what long term cost? I dont believe there would be any going back. it all sinks lower. which it is now. of course. but the above accelerates that decline.

        so what are we talking about here? race to the bottom and implode as a country?

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      • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 1,892
        edited May 17
        mickeyrat said:
        For the record...in my opinion people that break the law should be charged. I don't care who it is. 

        It just seems like this investigation is trickling out minor shit and giving tRumpsters ammo.  
        I agree.

        problem is both sides don’t play by the same rules. 

        If a democrat breaks the law in some way, I’d be the first one to support whatever action is appropriate. When a Republican does it, it’s never admit, close ranks, and spin a counter narrative 

        the result it democrats are “corrupt” and republicans are victims of fake news.  At this point until the GOP changes course the democrats have no choice but to play that game. Normal rules is a losing strategy 

        at what long term cost? I dont believe there would be any going back. it all sinks lower. which it is now. of course. but the above accelerates that decline.

        so what are we talking about here? race to the bottom and implode as a country?

        I agree with that too

        long term cost is huge either way.  It’s two bad choices.

        be principled and lose every election and the country falls apart with radical, corrupt nationalistic politics. Or stoop to their level and stay competitive and bring everything down to that level while your doing it.

        fact is never admitting responsibility or fault for literally anything is rewarded.  Ultimately if voters don’t care, neither will the politicians. I’m more disturbed that voters don’t care than I am with politicians trying to get away with whatever they think they can. There is no check on this kind of stuff anymore 
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      • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TXPosts: 5,921
        We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
        I'm like an opening band for your mom.
      • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 37,927
        Jesus, Joseph, and Mary, it must be fun being one of the outliers here.  Whoopee cushions all around!

        "I believe in the mystery, and I don't want to take it any further than that. Maybe what I mean by that is love."
        -John Densmore











      • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,332
        We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
        supposed to be? Far above tRumpster. I would rather have Biden in the WH to navigate this covid economic recovery than Donny shitstain
        Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

        1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
        2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
        2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
        2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
        2020: Oakland1, Oakland2:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
        2022: Oakland1, Oakland2, Nashville, Louisville 
      • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 15,542
        We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
        supposed to be? Far above tRumpster. I would rather have Biden in the WH to navigate this covid economic recovery than Donny shitstain
        That is one mighty low bar.  
        hippiemom = goodness
      • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,124
        We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
        "the rest of us have moved on".

        what, back to trump?? lol good luck.
        There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

        "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
      • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,966
        We already knew how dirty democrats were. Now we’re learning how spineless they are as they throw each other to the wolves. Man it sucks getting caught.  I’d like to say it’s vindicating, but it’s shameful seeing people act like they actually thought trump was all they were fed. Russia? Oh, honey. 🤦‍♂️If you still support the left after they fois gras stuffed you full of their nonsense for the last decade, there’s no helping you- the rest of us have long moved on and are focused on saving the country from $10/gallon bidenflaton , who was supposed to be so much better than trump. 
        "the rest of us have moved on".

        what, back to trump?? lol good luck.

        Is Biden now running OPEC? If so, geez, what a career it’s been.
      • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
         :D 
        I think I'll move to Australia


      • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 32,659
        it just astounds me how blind someone can be to call Democrats dirty, while at the same time supporting/excusing/worshipping the most openly criminal family in the history of the WH. 
        I think I'll move to Australia


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