Ukraine

mace1229

lastexitlondon said:

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

I cant see how this can  not end in some nuclear  weapon use

I actually don’t think nuclear attacks are likely. If they were the only ones with nukes I’d say it’s almost for sure he’d use them. But he has to know he can’t use them without dire consequences, and he’s not the only one with them. Letting Russia go in and invade a non-NATO country while pretending we cant help because of some paperwork is one thing, allowing a dictator to nuke another country out of aggression is another.

Allowing? Too late once its done.

Not true. I don’t allow my kids to punch each other. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, just means there’s a consequence that makes them wish they hadnt. That’s what not allowing something means.
Of Putin uses a nuke, the response will be so drastic he will wish he hadn’t. I would hope so anyway.

lastexitlondon

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

Spiritual_Chaos

Sweden sending more stuff: anti tank weapons, helmets, body armor, food ransions. 

Weird seeing Sweden send lethal aid. But great.

lastexitlondon

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Sweden sending more stuff: anti tank weapons, helmets, body armor, food ransions. 

Weird seeing Sweden sending lethal aid. But great.

Its  all so sad. The pandemic  is sad but this is so unstable and instant its really horrible. 

lastexitlondon

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

I cant see how this can  not end in some nuclear  weapon use

I actually don’t think nuclear attacks are likely. If they were the only ones with nukes I’d say it’s almost for sure he’d use them. But he has to know he can’t use them without dire consequences, and he’s not the only one with them. Letting Russia go in and invade a non-NATO country while pretending we cant help because of some paperwork is one thing, allowing a dictator to nuke another country out of aggression is another.

Allowing? Too late once its done.

Not true. I don’t allow my kids to punch each other. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, just means there’s a consequence that makes them wish they hadnt. That’s what not allowing something means.
Of Putin uses a nuke, the response will be so drastic he will wish he hadn’t. I would hope so anyway.

And what  would  your  drastic response  look like.?

Spiritual_Chaos

Also sending 500 million SEK in cash to Ukraines defense. 

Spiritual_Chaos

First time Sweden gives this kind of support since Soviet attacked Finland in 1939.

PJNB

Spiritual_Chaos said:

First time Sweden gives this kind of support since Soviet attacked Finland in 1939.

It is amazing seeing all of these countries coming together. Hope it does some good. 

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm guessing body armors and helmets (which Ukraine has requested) are for the civilians taking up arms?

bbiggs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I'm guessing body armors and helmets (which Ukraine has requested) are for the civilians taking up arms?

Seems likely.  I'm not at all for this senseless war, but the resolve and will to fight shown by the Ukrainians is very inspiring.  Fuck Putin.

Spiritual_Chaos

Seems to be this anti-tank model (5000 of them). Also used by the US army because NOTHING BEATS SWEDISH ENGINEERING AND BUILD QUALITY. 




So, seems this is the first time since 1939 that Sweden as country has provided lethal aid to another country in war.

Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson do consider us staying out of NATO to be the best course for Swedish security and interests going forward though,

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/PaulSonne/status/1497987741354799108?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1497987741354799108%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/latestanonpress/status/1497994644864520206?s=21

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/latestanonpress/status/1497997200542085125?s=21

Hobbes

Anonymous fucking all sorts of shit up. Hackers of the world unite!

mace1229

lastexitlondon said:

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

Putin knows using a nuke will create consequences and most likely make him regret using it. Therefore that is how it’s not being allowed and I see it extremely unlikely.

lastexitlondon

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

Putin knows using a nuke will create consequences and most likely make him regret using it. Therefore that is how it’s not being allowed and I see it extremely unlikely.

He  is fucked and will die one way or another  now.  So i see it as he falls on his sword. He cares not for any human life

Spiritual_Chaos

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

Putin knows using a nuke will create consequences and most likely make him regret using it. Therefore that is how it’s not being allowed and I see it extremely unlikely.

At the same time, what crazy war-fevering strong man dictator want to have lived and not having used a nuke?

mickeyrat

mace1229

lastexitlondon said:

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

For one, why not? For that to be true Putin would have to take out an entire country at once. Half of US gets nuked, I’m pretty sure the other half would want to retaliate. 
But let’s assume not. There’s lots of nuclear countries. If all of Europe gets nuked and taken out at once I’m pretty sure the US wouldnt just stand there and do nothing. 

So yes, you can nuke and get juked back just like you can lunch and get punched back. You can take out a little kid with one punch too, but then his big brother is going to come after you.
 Bottom line is there would be dire consequences for using nukes.

Hobbes

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

For one, why not? For that to be true Putin would have to take out an entire country at once. Half of US gets nuked, I’m pretty sure the other half would want to retaliate. 
But let’s assume not. There’s lots of nuclear countries. If all of Europe gets nuked and taken out at once I’m pretty sure the US wouldnt just stand there and do nothing. 

So yes, you can nuke and get juked back just like you can lunch and get punched back. You can take out a little kid with one punch too, but then his big brother is going to come after you.
 Bottom line is there would be dire consequences for using nukes.

Spiritual_Chaos

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

For one, why not? For that to be true Putin would have to take out an entire country at once. Half of US gets nuked, I’m pretty sure the other half would want to retaliate. 
But let’s assume not. There’s lots of nuclear countries. If all of Europe gets nuked and taken out at once I’m pretty sure the US wouldnt just stand there and do nothing. 

So yes, you can nuke and get juked back just like you can lunch and get punched back. You can take out a little kid with one punch too, but then his big brother is going to come after you.
 Bottom line is there would be dire consequences for using nukes.

Also, before a nuke has landed - mid-punch - the other sides nuke would go off. I would reckon.

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

For one, why not? For that to be true Putin would have to take out an entire country at once. Half of US gets nuked, I’m pretty sure the other half would want to retaliate. 
But let’s assume not. There’s lots of nuclear countries. If all of Europe gets nuked and taken out at once I’m pretty sure the US wouldnt just stand there and do nothing. 

So yes, you can nuke and get juked back just like you can lunch and get punched back. You can take out a little kid with one punch too, but then his big brother is going to come after you.
 Bottom line is there would be dire consequences for using nukes.

I think some are forgetting that there are defense shields all over the world.  @static111 had some good info the other day.  

Putin getting the cold shoulder from China is really critical.  Love how the world is uniting. 

Meltdown99

Hobbes said:

mace1229 said:

lastexitlondon said:

But  how does that work. By the time you are nuked its too late. Stupid example. You cant nuke back after  you are nuked. You can punch back after  a punch! 

For one, why not? For that to be true Putin would have to take out an entire country at once. Half of US gets nuked, I’m pretty sure the other half would want to retaliate. 
But let’s assume not. There’s lots of nuclear countries. If all of Europe gets nuked and taken out at once I’m pretty sure the US wouldnt just stand there and do nothing. 

So yes, you can nuke and get juked back just like you can lunch and get punched back. You can take out a little kid with one punch too, but then his big brother is going to come after you.
 Bottom line is there would be dire consequences for using nukes.

This

brianlux

GlowGirl said:

Go Fund Me has a page to donate to a Ukrainian Humanitarian Fund if anyone is interested. 

https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukraine-humanitarian-fund?utm_source=email&utm_medium=marketing&utm_content=annoucement&utm_campaign=022522_helpukraine_send2_humanifund

Latest update from Go Fund Me/ Ukraine:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukraine-humanitarian-fund?viewupdates=1&rcid=r01-164599369553-7b2aeb6f66674ac4&utm_medium=email&utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_email+1137-update-supporters-v5b

Best hundred bucks I've spent in a while.

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1497519799391649792?s=21

For those looking to contribute more than money here is an opportunity…

HughFreakingDillon

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1497519799391649792?s=21

For those looking to contribute more than money here is an opportunity…

maybe all of those "freedom fighting" truckers who said they were fighting a tyrannical dictator might want to do it for real now that playtime is over?

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1497519799391649792?s=21

For those looking to contribute more than money here is an opportunity…

maybe all of those "freedom fighting" truckers who said they were fighting a tyrannical dictator might want to do it for real now that playtime is over?

For real.  Same with the January 6 knuckleheads.  They've all been conditioned to believe they are being oppressed by being a part of society. 

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1497519799391649792?s=21

For those looking to contribute more than money here is an opportunity…

maybe all of those "freedom fighting" truckers who said they were fighting a tyrannical dictator might want to do it for real now that playtime is over?

Great idea, but not likely to happen.

I saw this open invitation to join the Ukraine defensive forces in a brief article last night and with this whole thing having me so rankled, my first reaction was, "If I were much younger than I am...". 

mrussel1

Berlin