interesting. in all these weakest link polls, I dont recall any them being about most influential etc....
its
all subjective and kinda arbitrary. seeing how age range is presenting
itself era or groups folks were most drawn to initially etc...
True. I think the influence piece comes in when/if the band or artist a person likes is not winning, or was previously voted out. (See, sour grapes.).
I think I was the one who brought influence into it, and I kinda thought we were supposed to try to be as objective about this as possible, not just vote our favourite band. that's where the influence piece came in for me. But I guess we're all voting different criteria, which is ok.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
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Nah, like I said, I don’t really think Petty is all that influential and I think Soundgarden deserves their fair share of credit for grunge/alt explosion in being one of the earliest bands to get ears and eyes turned towards Seattle and almost a guiding force for a lot of those bands on a personal level. Petty always had his rootsier sound but was never hesitant the follow trends with his 70s and 80s material and I don’t feel like they inspired many acts to follow their lead on a musical front.
Id really put both in more of 1b tier but unquestionably 2 acts worthy of all the adulation they’ve received.
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Nah, like I said, I don’t really think Petty is all that influential and I think Soundgarden deserves their fair share of credit for grunge/alt explosion in being one of the earliest bands to get ears and eyes turned towards Seattle and almost a guiding force for a lot of those bands on a personal level. Petty always had his rootsier sound but was never hesitant the follow trends with his 70s and 80s material and I don’t feel like they inspired many acts to follow their lead on a musical front.
Id really put both in more of 1b tier but unquestionably 2 acts worthy of all the adulation they’ve received.
Those are good points, Dewie. But the more I think about it, the more I think comparing the influence of Soundgarden and Petty is like comparing the influence of milk and baking powder on culinary arts- both were influential in differing ways. Soundgarden did have a big influence on the Seattle grunge scene- a strong but more specific, regional influence- whereas Petty had a more broad influence of bringing audiences together- he united southern and northern rock audiences and he drew on both older "mellow" rock fans and younger "edgier" rock fans. Looked at the way, I'm not sure it is even possible to compare the influence of the two bands in a quantitative sense.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Nah, like I said, I don’t really think Petty is all that influential and I think Soundgarden deserves their fair share of credit for grunge/alt explosion in being one of the earliest bands to get ears and eyes turned towards Seattle and almost a guiding force for a lot of those bands on a personal level. Petty always had his rootsier sound but was never hesitant the follow trends with his 70s and 80s material and I don’t feel like they inspired many acts to follow their lead on a musical front.
Id really put both in more of 1b tier but unquestionably 2 acts worthy of all the adulation they’ve received.
Those are good points, Dewie. But the more I think about it, the more I think comparing the influence of Soundgarden and Petty is like comparing the influence of milk and baking powder on culinary arts- both were influential in differing ways. Soundgarden did have a big influence on the Seattle grunge scene- a strong but more specific, regional influence- whereas Petty had a more broad influence of bringing audiences together- he united southern and northern rock audiences and he drew on both older "mellow" rock fans and younger "edgier" rock fans. Looked at the way, I'm not sure it is even possible to compare the influence of the two bands in a quantitative sense.
I think the difficult thing for younger generations (and I’m one of them in this case) to understand is that according to the cadgers and music magazines from the time, NO ONE sounded like Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers when they hit. Record stores didn’t know how to classify them and put their releases in the punk section (the Patti Smith Group, too, for that matter!).
They were already established and trying out new-to-them sounds by the time I was old enough to get into them (Southern Accents), so though I hear the above statements and read them a lot, it’s just difficult to understand, having not lived through it. I mean, their videos were in heavy rotation on MTV at the point I was introduced (not the Patti Smith Group’s, though!)
The most recent comparison I can think of is Arcade Fire. If I recall correctly, people didn’t know how to classify them for a while.
I think the difficult thing for younger generations (and I’m one of them in this case) to understand is that according to the cadgers and music magazines from the time, NO ONE sounded like Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers when they hit. Record stores didn’t know how to classify them and put their releases in the punk section (the Patti Smith Group, too, for that matter!).
They were already established and trying out new-to-them sounds by the time I was old enough to get into them (Southern Accents), so though I hear the above statements and read them a lot, it’s just difficult to understand, having not lived through it. I mean, their videos were in heavy rotation on MTV at the point I was introduced (not the Patti Smith Group’s, though!)
The most recent comparison I can think of is Arcade Fire. If I recall correctly, people didn’t know how to classify them for a while.
I think Roger Mcguinn might disagree that the Heartbreakers were hard to classify!
However, for those not steeped in the Laurel Canyon sound, I can see that. Their first album wasn't much of a hit (even though it was great) so when Torpedos hit, the Canyon sound was five music waves removed! And I agree, it sounded nothing like what was pop at the time.
I think the difficult thing for younger generations (and I’m one of them in this case) to understand is that according to the cadgers and music magazines from the time, NO ONE sounded like Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers when they hit. Record stores didn’t know how to classify them and put their releases in the punk section (the Patti Smith Group, too, for that matter!).
They were already established and trying out new-to-them sounds by the time I was old enough to get into them (Southern Accents), so though I hear the above statements and read them a lot, it’s just difficult to understand, having not lived through it. I mean, their videos were in heavy rotation on MTV at the point I was introduced (not the Patti Smith Group’s, though!)
The most recent comparison I can think of is Arcade Fire. If I recall correctly, people didn’t know how to classify them for a while.
they didnt break here til they came back from england after breaking there first. similar to hendrix.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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brianlux
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Soundgarden
I'm guessing most T.P. fans here are familiar with these, but if not (or if just curios) this film and this book are both excellent and both do a fine job of illustrating the rich history of Tom Petty/ Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers:
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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-EV 8/14/93
Surely you are kidding?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Id really put both in more of 1b tier but unquestionably 2 acts worthy of all the adulation they’ve received.
But the more I think about it, the more I think comparing the influence of Soundgarden and Petty is like comparing the influence of milk and baking powder on culinary arts- both were influential in differing ways. Soundgarden did have a big influence on the Seattle grunge scene- a strong but more specific, regional influence- whereas Petty had a more broad influence of bringing audiences together- he united southern and northern rock audiences and he drew on both older "mellow" rock fans and younger "edgier" rock fans.
Looked at the way, I'm not sure it is even possible to compare the influence of the two bands in a quantitative sense.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
They were already established and trying out new-to-them sounds by the time I was old enough to get into them (Southern Accents), so though I hear the above statements and read them a lot, it’s just difficult to understand, having not lived through it. I mean, their videos were in heavy rotation on MTV at the point I was introduced (not the Patti Smith Group’s, though!)
The most recent comparison I can think of is Arcade Fire. If I recall correctly, people didn’t know how to classify them for a while.
However, for those not steeped in the Laurel Canyon sound, I can see that. Their first album wasn't much of a hit (even though it was great) so when Torpedos hit, the Canyon sound was five music waves removed! And I agree, it sounded nothing like what was pop at the time.
they didnt break here til they came back from england after breaking there first. similar to hendrix.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"