POLL - The WEAKEST LINK of AMERICAN BANDS - (Championship) ROUND 4

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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl Posts: 10,909
    Metallica
    mrussel1 said:
    DewieCox said:
    If soundgarden wins this you all are fucking idiots.  Just sayin.
    Badmotorfinger is considerably better than any Petty album.
    That's crazy talk.  Wildflowers is a masterpiece. 
    Agreed. Just listened to the 3 record set in its entirety over the last two days. Brilliant. 
  • GibsonGibson Posts: 2,646
    edited December 2021
    Metallica
    My interest in Metallica has been fading since their inception.

    Kidding - but I still voted them down. They're just not my wheelhouse. A stellar career and catalogue nonetheless.
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  • Metallica
    MedozK said:
    Soundgarden being the Greatest American Band seems kinda crazy.
    Definitely surprising, but when CC passed away a lot of musicians/singers commented that he was one of, if not the best singer in rock music ever. In the pantheon of hard rock singers, CC is an icon…. No one sang like he did.  The band itself was very influential,  in a way they were a “musicians band” that got very popular because of their iconic lead singer. The antithesis of this would be King’s X, the “musicians band” which is probably the most underrated band in rock history.  
  • Soundgarden
    as I said before, SG is one of my faves, and I easily listen to them way more than Metallica or TP, but the influence of the latter two just can't be overstated. 
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  • Metallica
    Bye-bye, Metallica! Still love you though! 

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    I hope TP emerges as the top. That's been my angle all along. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Soundgarden
    MedozK said:
    Soundgarden being the Greatest American Band seems kinda crazy.

    For sure!  Who'd have guessed the would go this far here?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Soundgarden
    I hope TP emerges as the top. That's been my angle all along. 

    They are worthy, for sure!
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    I think SG has a much better batting average and forebears of the grunge explosions they had quite impact.

    I don’t think Petty is as influential as most other bands of their stature and sort of went with the flow of what was popular until they were firmly established. Huge fan but I wouldn’t put him in my top 5 American bands. Obviously a deep catalog and more well known classics than just about anybody.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Metallica
    DewieCox said:
    I think SG has a much better batting average and forebears of the grunge explosions they had quite impact.

    I don’t think Petty is as influential as most other bands of their stature and sort of went with the flow of what was popular until they were firmly established. Huge fan but I wouldn’t put him in my top 5 American bands. Obviously a deep catalog and more well known classics than just about anybody.
    Well TP is really a derivative of the Byrds and the Laurel Canyon sound.  I agree that they are not necessarily 'influential', but he did his own thing, on his terms.  And his fans span country music to hard rock and everything in between.  The mainstream cultural impact of Full Moon Fever is pretty significant too.  I would argue much more than any SG record.  In 1989, you could not go anywhere without hearing something from Full Moom.

    We got Mtv in the early 80's and the You Got Lucky video just blew me away.  The whole Mad Max thing with such a cool song was just astounding to my little brain.  Dont' Come Around Here No More tripped me out too.  
  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,834
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    goldrush said:
    Nothing bad to say about TP, I’ve just never been a fan. 
    Same with me.
  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,834
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    MedozK said:
    Soundgarden being the Greatest American Band seems kinda crazy.
    It does to me too.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Metallica
    cutz said:
    MedozK said:
    Soundgarden being the Greatest American Band seems kinda crazy.
    It does to me too.
    who would you say?
  • Metallica
    I’m a little confused that nobody seems to think Soundgarden influenced anything lol .
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Metallica
    I’m a little confused that nobody seems to think Soundgarden influenced anything lol .
    Im sure it did but what? 90s are the end of good rock. There's been a handful of good bands since then (White Stripes, early Mumford, Vampire Weekend, Alabama Shakes,  etc.) but I don't see any SG in there. 
  • Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    So is KISS coming back for the final round? Or how do the rules work?
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  • Soundgarden
    I’m a little confused that nobody seems to think Soundgarden influenced anything lol .
    I'm sure they have, I just don't think they've had the same level of influence as the other two, or even the other big four of seattle. 

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  • Metallica
    mrussel1 said:
    I’m a little confused that nobody seems to think Soundgarden influenced anything lol .
    Im sure it did but what? 90s are the end of good rock. There's been a handful of good bands since then (White Stripes, early Mumford, Vampire Weekend, Alabama Shakes,  etc.) but I don't see any SG in there. 
    Well for one thing, they certainly influenced their contemporaries, particularly PJ, AIC and Nirvana. After CC passed away, every artist seemed to say CC was a one of a kind singer.
    i would say they are a big influence on the alt-metal scene that followed.  I think it was Dave Grohl who said Black Hole Sun was half the Beatles and half Black Sabbath. They were the most metal and experimental of the 90s alt-scene so the certainly influenced that genre heavily as did Tool. 
    Now, I’m not a huge fan of the alt-metal scene  (Korn, Dillinger Escape Plan, Drowning Pool, etc.) that followed post-hardcore which I love (Fugazi, Helmet, Quicksand)  but these bands had a following and sold a lot of records. 

  • Soundgarden
    I see what you're saying, but usually when a band is that influential, you can hear snippets of said influence in other bands. I don't hear anything like SG in any other bands right now. Sure, CC was a one of a kind singer and songwriter; there is no doubt about that. I just haven't seen any silverchairs to nirvanas with soundgarden. (maybe silverchair is a bad example, since it was so soon after, but you get my point). now, I don't really listen to those alt metal bands now, but I did, and I don't hear any SG in any of them. 
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  • ComeToTXComeToTX Posts: 7,794
    Metallica
    Petty and the HB are the greatest American band ever. 
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  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited December 2021
    Metallica
    I see what you're saying, but usually when a band is that influential, you can hear snippets of said influence in other bands. I don't hear anything like SG in any other bands right now. Sure, CC was a one of a kind singer and songwriter; there is no doubt about that. I just haven't seen any silverchairs to nirvanas with soundgarden. (maybe silverchair is a bad example, since it was so soon after, but you get my point). now, I don't really listen to those alt metal bands now, but I did, and I don't hear any SG in any of them. 
    They were still influenced by it. They are the ones that said so. Just the fact there was some metal in that sound, gave them a little freedom. 
    Even Brandi Carlile has said she was influenced by SG. I can’t hear it necessarily, but she listened to them and loved them. Linkin Park is another one who sold millions of records…. the list is lengthy actually. 

    It’s just a little disingenuous to make the argument against SG because they didn’t have influence. Not saying they are the greatest US band ever, but I haven’t voted them off once because I like them more than other bands on the list. 
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  • Soundgarden
    I see what you're saying, but usually when a band is that influential, you can hear snippets of said influence in other bands. I don't hear anything like SG in any other bands right now. Sure, CC was a one of a kind singer and songwriter; there is no doubt about that. I just haven't seen any silverchairs to nirvanas with soundgarden. (maybe silverchair is a bad example, since it was so soon after, but you get my point). now, I don't really listen to those alt metal bands now, but I did, and I don't hear any SG in any of them. 
    They were still influenced by it. They are the ones that said so. Just the fact there was some metal in that sound, gave them a little freedom. 
    Even Brandi Carlile has said she was influenced by SG. I can’t hear it necessarily, but she listened to them and loved them. Linkin Park is another one who sold millions of records…. the list is lengthy actually. 

    It’s just a little disingenuous to make the argument against SG because they didn’t have influence. Not saying they are the greatest US band ever, but I haven’t voted them off once because I like them more than other bands on the list. 
    fair enough. influence wasn't my only reasoning, however, just my biggest reasoning. 

    plus, if you influenced people who's bands I can't stand, that works against you. :lol:
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  • Metallica
    I see what you're saying, but usually when a band is that influential, you can hear snippets of said influence in other bands. I don't hear anything like SG in any other bands right now. Sure, CC was a one of a kind singer and songwriter; there is no doubt about that. I just haven't seen any silverchairs to nirvanas with soundgarden. (maybe silverchair is a bad example, since it was so soon after, but you get my point). now, I don't really listen to those alt metal bands now, but I did, and I don't hear any SG in any of them. 
    They were still influenced by it. They are the ones that said so. Just the fact there was some metal in that sound, gave them a little freedom. 
    Even Brandi Carlile has said she was influenced by SG. I can’t hear it necessarily, but she listened to them and loved them. Linkin Park is another one who sold millions of records…. the list is lengthy actually. 

    It’s just a little disingenuous to make the argument against SG because they didn’t have influence. Not saying they are the greatest US band ever, but I haven’t voted them off once because I like them more than other bands on the list. 
    fair enough. influence wasn't my only reasoning, however, just my biggest reasoning. 

    plus, if you influenced people who's bands I can't stand, that works against you. :lol:
    😂.  I was just confused that SG wasn’t getting credit for influencing anyone. I do like some Linkin Park and am certainly a Brandi C. fan, but a lot of that Nu-metal/alt-metal/metalcore that SG influenced isn’t my cup of tea either.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Metallica
    ComeToTX said:
    Petty and the HB are the greatest American band ever. 
    You convinced me.  Petty!
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    Soundgarden is more influential than Petty. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    Metallica
     
    interesting. in all these weakest link polls, I dont recall any them being about most influential etc....


    its all subjective and kinda arbitrary. seeing how age range is presenting itself era or groups folks were most drawn to initially etc...

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  • Metallica
    mickeyrat said:
     
    interesting. in all these weakest link polls, I dont recall any them being about most influential etc....


    its all subjective and kinda arbitrary. seeing how age range is presenting itself era or groups folks were most drawn to initially etc...

    As the final vote narrows, it invariably gets tougher to make decisions as perhaps people are looking to expand their criteria on who they will vote out.  It is a form of objectivity. It’s a frivolous poll really. You can be as objective or subjective as you like. Who cares? 😂
  • Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    mickeyrat said:
     
    interesting. in all these weakest link polls, I dont recall any them being about most influential etc....


    its all subjective and kinda arbitrary. seeing how age range is presenting itself era or groups folks were most drawn to initially etc...

    True.  I think the influence piece comes in when/if the band or artist a person likes is not winning, or was previously voted out.  (See, sour grapes.). ;)
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  • Metallica
    Soundgarden over REM and the Talking Heads?  C’mon man.
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  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,834
    Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
    mrussel1 said:
    cutz said:
    MedozK said:
    Soundgarden being the Greatest American Band seems kinda crazy.
    It does to me too.
    who would you say?
    mrussel1 said:
    cutz said:
    MedozK said:
    Soundgarden being the Greatest American Band seems kinda crazy.
    It does to me too.
    who would you say?
    N

    Not big fans of all of these bands but here's some:
    The Doors
    Grateful Dead
    CCR
    Aerosmith
    The Eagles
    Simon & Garfunkel
    Steely Dan
    Allman Brothers Ban
    Lynyrd Skynyrd
    The Temptations
    Santana
    Frank Zappa & The Mother's Of Invention
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