POLL - The WEAKEST LINK of AMERICAN BANDS - (Championship) ROUND 1

mrussel1

Metallica

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

So I missed the early rounds, but were the classic rock era bands purposely omitted?

It would be hard to have a list like this without the Dead, Doors, Bruce, Hendrix (although maybe the Experience is considered British?), etc.  To me, there's no world where the Talking Heads, Metallica, AIC, SG, compete favorably with the very icons of our favorite music.  

I would disagree with you here. Those bands you mentioned are icons of the next wave of rock. 

I don't understand... what next wave?

The bands you mentioned are all the 70s and 80s bands. A lot of us PJ faithful are 90s kids. Metallica, AIC and SG are more important to us than CCR, the Doors, the Dead etc. 
Respect those bands, but there is no emotional attachment that comes from them being a part of your formative years, unless your parents were fans and you spun their records.  

They are important, but so are the giants of the 90s

I understand as I graduated high school in 91, so I was 18 when it all hit.  And I did the whole scene, saw them all including Nirvana, Lolla 92, etc. However, I just think the classic era was superior and the legacy more important.  For me, the 90s as a great music decade ended by 95, 96.  By that point the great bands were established and everything else was derivative, in an awful way.  It was a short run.  

And if you’re talking about the real giants of the classic era, then you’re on the Beatles, Stones, zep and Floyd.  And you can’t compare anyone in the 90s to those monsters.  I just think there were far more great, great bands in that era than in the 80s and 90s and certainly since then.  

All the bands you just mentioned were British… that was the other poll. We are talking about American bands here. 

Anyways, we can agree to disagree. Legacy is one part of what makes a band great. Anyways this is all fun.  I can’t vote for a band that I own a greatest hits record (Doors) over a band I have their entire discography (SG or AIC) 

Right but I thought you were making a broader point about the eras which is why I brought up the Brits.  But I think you can agree that the sheer quantity of quality music of the classic era ( late 60s to late 70s) overwhelms the 90s…no?

And I think the discussion is the point of the thread so no worries on disagreeing.  

Btw, I own complete catalogs of Doors and SG, and probably listen to the Doors 8x for every SG listen.  Although it doesn’t hurt that my Doors are all the AP 45s so they are pretty glorious.  

OffSheGoes35

The Ramones

Hobbes said:

OffSheGoes35 said:

Hobbes said:

OffSheGoes35 said:

If Hobbes is against me, I might as well leave.

If you had better taste in music and voted accordingly, then I wouldn't be against you. Duh.

We voted pretty much the same on the majority of these rounds. 

And we were cruising right along before you spun out of control with this round's vote and comment on The Ramones.

And we were cruising right along before you spun out of control with this round's vote against GN'R.  

It was a good run.

https://youtu.be/LatorN4P9aA

Hobbes

Guns N' Roses

OffSheGoes35 said:

Hobbes said:

OffSheGoes35 said:

Hobbes said:

OffSheGoes35 said:

If Hobbes is against me, I might as well leave.

If you had better taste in music and voted accordingly, then I wouldn't be against you. Duh.

We voted pretty much the same on the majority of these rounds. 

And we were cruising right along before you spun out of control with this round's vote and comment on The Ramones.

And we were cruising right along before you spun out of control with this round's vote against GN'R.  

It was a good run.

https://youtu.be/LatorN4P9aA

My vote for G'N'R was, admittedly, one of strategy to preserve The Ramones' standing for at least another round.

OffSheGoes35

The Ramones

https://youtu.be/mh8MIp2FOhc

mrussel1

Metallica

OffSheGoes35 said:

Hobbes said:

OffSheGoes35 said:

Hobbes said:

OffSheGoes35 said:

If Hobbes is against me, I might as well leave.

If you had better taste in music and voted accordingly, then I wouldn't be against you. Duh.

We voted pretty much the same on the majority of these rounds. 

And we were cruising right along before you spun out of control with this round's vote and comment on The Ramones.

And we were cruising right along before you spun out of control with this round's vote against GN'R.  

It was a good run.

https://youtu.be/LatorN4P9aA

Definitely one of the worst videos of all time… truly awful.  Perhaps topped only by this…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HasaQvHCv4w&ab_channel=DavidBowie

1ThoughtKnown

Guns N' Roses

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

So I missed the early rounds, but were the classic rock era bands purposely omitted?

It would be hard to have a list like this without the Dead, Doors, Bruce, Hendrix (although maybe the Experience is considered British?), etc.  To me, there's no world where the Talking Heads, Metallica, AIC, SG, compete favorably with the very icons of our favorite music.  

I would disagree with you here. Those bands you mentioned are icons of the next wave of rock. 

I don't understand... what next wave?

The bands you mentioned are all the 70s and 80s bands. A lot of us PJ faithful are 90s kids. Metallica, AIC and SG are more important to us than CCR, the Doors, the Dead etc. 
Respect those bands, but there is no emotional attachment that comes from them being a part of your formative years, unless your parents were fans and you spun their records.  

They are important, but so are the giants of the 90s

I understand as I graduated high school in 91, so I was 18 when it all hit.  And I did the whole scene, saw them all including Nirvana, Lolla 92, etc. However, I just think the classic era was superior and the legacy more important.  For me, the 90s as a great music decade ended by 95, 96.  By that point the great bands were established and everything else was derivative, in an awful way.  It was a short run.  

And if you’re talking about the real giants of the classic era, then you’re on the Beatles, Stones, zep and Floyd.  And you can’t compare anyone in the 90s to those monsters.  I just think there were far more great, great bands in that era than in the 80s and 90s and certainly since then.  

All the bands you just mentioned were British… that was the other poll. We are talking about American bands here. 

Anyways, we can agree to disagree. Legacy is one part of what makes a band great. Anyways this is all fun.  I can’t vote for a band that I own a greatest hits record (Doors) over a band I have their entire discography (SG or AIC) 

Right but I thought you were making a broader point about the eras which is why I brought up the Brits.  But I think you can agree that the sheer quantity of quality music of the classic era ( late 60s to late 70s) overwhelms the 90s…no?

And I think the discussion is the point of the thread so no worries on disagreeing.  

Btw, I own complete catalogs of Doors and SG, and probably listen to the Doors 8x for every SG listen.  Although it doesn’t hurt that my Doors are all the AP 45s so they are pretty glorious.  

I get that. The Doors don’t really do much for me. My mom was a huge fan and I did have a phase where I listened to them, but I play SG way more often. Truth be told I play AIC more than SG. 

I would agree the rock music of the 60s and 70s is more prolific. But for me, the emotional attachment is for the alternative music of the late 80s, early nineties. 

PJ, SG, AIC, Nirvana, Jane’s Addiction, Faith No More, Fugazi, Tool, Tragically Hip (I’m Canadian), etc. I have memories that can be attached to each of those bands that just aren’t there for the 60s and 70s bands (except Pink Floyd and the Stones been fans of theirs since I was a kid). I became a Neil Young fan later on life thanks to my wife and PJ for instance. 
My point is, an emotional attachment to the music is what may separate the votes here. It certainly has affected mine. Having witnessed a band live may also affect your vote. 

brianlux

Guns N' Roses

OffSheGoes35 said:

dankind said:

And @OffSheGoes35 First Creedence, and now the Ramones?

I could've been wrong for voting CCR, but the Ramones just sounds like one continuous song to me.

Audience member at Crazy Horse concert, yelling:  "They all sound the same!"
Neil Young yelling back to audience member:  "It's all one song!"

mrussel1

Metallica

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mrussel1 said:

So I missed the early rounds, but were the classic rock era bands purposely omitted?

It would be hard to have a list like this without the Dead, Doors, Bruce, Hendrix (although maybe the Experience is considered British?), etc.  To me, there's no world where the Talking Heads, Metallica, AIC, SG, compete favorably with the very icons of our favorite music.  

I would disagree with you here. Those bands you mentioned are icons of the next wave of rock. 

I don't understand... what next wave?

The bands you mentioned are all the 70s and 80s bands. A lot of us PJ faithful are 90s kids. Metallica, AIC and SG are more important to us than CCR, the Doors, the Dead etc. 
Respect those bands, but there is no emotional attachment that comes from them being a part of your formative years, unless your parents were fans and you spun their records.  

They are important, but so are the giants of the 90s

I understand as I graduated high school in 91, so I was 18 when it all hit.  And I did the whole scene, saw them all including Nirvana, Lolla 92, etc. However, I just think the classic era was superior and the legacy more important.  For me, the 90s as a great music decade ended by 95, 96.  By that point the great bands were established and everything else was derivative, in an awful way.  It was a short run.  

And if you’re talking about the real giants of the classic era, then you’re on the Beatles, Stones, zep and Floyd.  And you can’t compare anyone in the 90s to those monsters.  I just think there were far more great, great bands in that era than in the 80s and 90s and certainly since then.  

All the bands you just mentioned were British… that was the other poll. We are talking about American bands here. 

Anyways, we can agree to disagree. Legacy is one part of what makes a band great. Anyways this is all fun.  I can’t vote for a band that I own a greatest hits record (Doors) over a band I have their entire discography (SG or AIC) 

Right but I thought you were making a broader point about the eras which is why I brought up the Brits.  But I think you can agree that the sheer quantity of quality music of the classic era ( late 60s to late 70s) overwhelms the 90s…no?

And I think the discussion is the point of the thread so no worries on disagreeing.  

Btw, I own complete catalogs of Doors and SG, and probably listen to the Doors 8x for every SG listen.  Although it doesn’t hurt that my Doors are all the AP 45s so they are pretty glorious.  

I get that. The Doors don’t really do much for me. My mom was a huge fan and I did have a phase where I listened to them, but I play SG way more often. Truth be told I play AIC more than SG. 

I would agree the rock music of the 60s and 70s is more prolific. But for me, the emotional attachment is for the alternative music of the late 80s, early nineties. 

PJ, SG, AIC, Nirvana, Jane’s Addiction, Faith No More, Fugazi, Tool, Tragically Hip (I’m Canadian), etc. I have memories that can be attached to each of those bands that just aren’t there for the 60s and 70s bands (except Pink Floyd and the Stones been fans of theirs since I was a kid). I became a Neil Young fan later on life thanks to my wife and PJ for instance. 
My point is, an emotional attachment to the music is what may separate the votes here. It certainly has affected mine. Having witnessed a band live may also affect your vote. 

Yes, I can see the strong ties of nostalgia.  I have those as well.  For classic rock, my parents were too old to listen to good music, but I listened to straight classic rock in the 80's because I hated the hair scene.  Then when 91 hit and everything got good finally, after a decade of shitty pop music. 

dankind

Metallica

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

mrussel1

Metallica

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

I do think the 80s had some great music, which is why I said it was a decade of shitty pop music.  Whereas the classic era had great pop music.  Although we might disagree on what was great about the 80s, if you're talking about the hardcore scene.  I was into that in my youth, but left it behind.  

Spiritual_Chaos

Talking Heads

Shouldn't KISS be on this list?

HughFreakingDillon

Talking Heads

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

you're in the fanclub of a band you consider derivative drek?

dankind

Metallica

HughFreakingDillon said:

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

you're in the fanclub of a band you consider derivative drek?

I know, right?

1ThoughtKnown

Guns N' Roses

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

All music is derivative. It is such a lazy argument. No music or scene is created in a vacuum. 

dankind

Metallica

1ThoughtKnown said:

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

All music is derivative. It is such a lazy argument. No music or scene is created in a vacuum. 

Good thing I'm not arguing. 

HughFreakingDillon

Talking Heads

dankind said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

All music is derivative. It is such a lazy argument. No music or scene is created in a vacuum. 

Good thing I'm not arguing. 

I think what he means is it seems you are suggesting that 90's is derivative but 80's is not. I'll channel my inner chadwick with a yes/no?

1ThoughtKnown

Guns N' Roses

dankind said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

All music is derivative. It is such a lazy argument. No music or scene is created in a vacuum. 

Good thing I'm not arguing. 

Probably a wise decision. You wouldn’t win 

brianlux

Guns N' Roses

Standoff at the PJ Corral.

mfc2006

Guns N' Roses

1ThoughtKnown said:

dankind said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

All music is derivative. It is such a lazy argument. No music or scene is created in a vacuum. 

Good thing I'm not arguing. 

Probably a wise decision. You wouldn’t win 

:popcorn:

dankind

Metallica

mfc2006 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dankind said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dankind said:

The 1980s gave us some of the absolute best music ever recorded; they just didn't play it on MTV or the popular radio stations.

I think I like zero bands from the 90s, and if I do, they are admittedly derivative dreck (see Pearl Jam).

All music is derivative. It is such a lazy argument. No music or scene is created in a vacuum. 

Good thing I'm not arguing. 

Probably a wise decision. You wouldn’t win 

:popcorn: