Ok. Where the hell is Pearl Jam and what’s up with the US tour?

on2legs

kristie73 said:

Coming in here to check the chatter on the tour.  Many other bands scheduled tours and have dates and I'm not sure why Pearl Jam hasn't announced anything yet.  I'm not traveling, local to Denver but still want to schedule other things in the Spring and Summer and just not sure what dates I need to keep for my Pearl Jam tickets.  Sigh, just wishing for the news already.  I wonder if they are going to reshuffle tickets (seats for Ten club and/or public sale?).  I like what I have but just wondering what is the logistics, what's the hold up? Sure the virus, the vaccine, being indoors, masks, etc. Just posting my impatience venting.

I think the least likely outcome is that Pearl Jam will announce dates because that’s what other bands are doing. 

kristie73

on2legs said:

kristie73 said:

Coming in here to check the chatter on the tour.  Many other bands scheduled tours and have dates and I'm not sure why Pearl Jam hasn't announced anything yet.  I'm not traveling, local to Denver but still want to schedule other things in the Spring and Summer and just not sure what dates I need to keep for my Pearl Jam tickets.  Sigh, just wishing for the news already.  I wonder if they are going to reshuffle tickets (seats for Ten club and/or public sale?).  I like what I have but just wondering what is the logistics, what's the hold up? Sure the virus, the vaccine, being indoors, masks, etc. Just posting my impatience venting.

I think the least likely outcome is that Pearl Jam will announce dates because that’s what other bands are doing. 

Then why have they announced and scheduled dates for Europe?  I'm not saying be like Tool or other bands, but aren't Arena's going to start booking dates for other bands or have they saved out those same dates for 2022 for Pearl Jam?

aidt17

Ontario plans for March 2022 to be rid of all Covid protocols. Indoor, outdoors,  vax passports, masking, everything faded into the background restriction wise by March 2022

Weston1283

Indoor mask requirements at TD Garden Saturday night were ignored and not  enforced even in the least.  They took 2 seconds to check my vaccine card copy when I entered. 

These restrictions don’t really mean much tbh, as they are often hardly enforced even at large arenas in cities like Boston that have been historically strict 

evenflow82

Many of them have kids who are not old enough to be vaccinated.

As a father of a five month old I am super careful and always have a mask on until she gets vaccinated. Not everyone's circumstances are alike. I would like them to tour but I get waiting until 2022 to make an announcement. 

Also, PJ has international fans. All those places and all those airports...I get being hesitant.

on2legs

kristie73 said:

on2legs said:

kristie73 said:

Coming in here to check the chatter on the tour.  Many other bands scheduled tours and have dates and I'm not sure why Pearl Jam hasn't announced anything yet.  I'm not traveling, local to Denver but still want to schedule other things in the Spring and Summer and just not sure what dates I need to keep for my Pearl Jam tickets.  Sigh, just wishing for the news already.  I wonder if they are going to reshuffle tickets (seats for Ten club and/or public sale?).  I like what I have but just wondering what is the logistics, what's the hold up? Sure the virus, the vaccine, being indoors, masks, etc. Just posting my impatience venting.

I think the least likely outcome is that Pearl Jam will announce dates because that’s what other bands are doing. 

Then why have they announced and scheduled dates for Europe?  I'm not saying be like Tool or other bands, but aren't Arena's going to start booking dates for other bands or have they saved out those same dates for 2022 for Pearl Jam?

I’m guessing they have holds on the arena dates and will wait as long as possible before announcing.  The goal of waiting is to make sure the Covid situation is as stable as possible and there hasn’t been a drastic increase in cases.  The last thing they want to do is announce too early and have to postpone again. 

pbultimate

Can’t wait for Baltimore!  I’ll go. It’ll feel like a free show at this pt!

F Me In The Brain

Then you can plan to wait until the band decides they are ready to play indoors or to announce their plans.

As I observed previously, Pearl Jam was not great about sharing advance notice on tours/legs/etc even well before COVID. 

They are clearly not concerned about people filling their calendars and playing to empty arenas. 

F Me In The Brain

pbultimate said:

Can’t wait for Baltimore!  I’ll go. It’ll feel like a free show at this pt!

That is certainly an upside to it -- don't have to pay for tickets now!        

matt84

According to the Springsteen forum, Bruce’s tour dates are coming this Thursday.

helplessdancer

we need to kick covid's ass first and i can wait a little longer to be really free.

kristie73

on2legs said:

kristie73 said:

on2legs said:

kristie73 said:

Coming in here to check the chatter on the tour.  Many other bands scheduled tours and have dates and I'm not sure why Pearl Jam hasn't announced anything yet.  I'm not traveling, local to Denver but still want to schedule other things in the Spring and Summer and just not sure what dates I need to keep for my Pearl Jam tickets.  Sigh, just wishing for the news already.  I wonder if they are going to reshuffle tickets (seats for Ten club and/or public sale?).  I like what I have but just wondering what is the logistics, what's the hold up? Sure the virus, the vaccine, being indoors, masks, etc. Just posting my impatience venting.

I think the least likely outcome is that Pearl Jam will announce dates because that’s what other bands are doing. 

Then why have they announced and scheduled dates for Europe?  I'm not saying be like Tool or other bands, but aren't Arena's going to start booking dates for other bands or have they saved out those same dates for 2022 for Pearl Jam?

I’m guessing they have holds on the arena dates and will wait as long as possible before announcing.  The goal of waiting is to make sure the Covid situation is as stable as possible and there hasn’t been a drastic increase in cases.  The last thing they want to do is announce too early and have to postpone again. 

All of the reasons make sense, but they have already rescheduled Europe.  So what's the difference?

Spartanacus

given2fly23 said:

I've been to a lot of indoor and outdoor shows since the end of August.  I'm fully vaxxed and happy to still mask up for live music.  We can't live in fear forever.  If people are uncomfortable going or refuse to get vaxxed, give them a refund option, but calendars are filling up, so it's time to announce the new dates with a full vax & mask requirement and they can be eased as the situation improves.  I'm holding tickets for 10 shows (8 U.S. and 2 E.U.) and plan to be at every single one.

'Full vax & mask requirement and they can be eased as the situation improves'???  That's funny.  Have you seen the numbers lately?  The situation has improved...until the next uptick, which is inevitable.  People can get jabbed and mask up if they want, and I don't even mind the negative test thing to attend shows for a while longer...but we need to move on with life and these shows need to be scheduled or cancelled.  I'm sick of the interest free loan to whoever is holding my money.  If people don't want to go to the shows...stay home.  Show me the money or give me the music!!!  And this is coming from someone who just caught covid at a recent show, probably from a vax'd person!  And I'd do it all over again to see PJ play.

Spartanacus

helplessdancer said:

we need to kick covid's ass first and i can wait a little longer to be really free.

How exactly do we "kick covid's ass?"  And what does "a little longer mean"...2 years?  Do you think that this is going to be only the 2nd ever disease to be completely eradicated from the face of the earth like smallpox?  It's been here about two years now...when the calendar turns 2022 we need to make that a symbolic ending to this pandemic and realize it is going to be an endemic, end the mask mandates, and move on with life.

vedpunk

As silly as this sounds, could we see Eddie and the Vedders (The Earthlings) before PJ at this point?  Maybe different members of PJ have different opinions, COVID stances and drive towards touring again.  I sure hope not but this is starting to get ridiculous with the lack of tour updates. 

Zod

kristie73 said:

Coming in here to check the chatter on the tour.  Many other bands scheduled tours and have dates and I'm not sure why Pearl Jam hasn't announced anything yet.  I'm not traveling, local to Denver but still want to schedule other things in the Spring and Summer and just not sure what dates I need to keep for my Pearl Jam tickets.  Sigh, just wishing for the news already.  I wonder if they are going to reshuffle tickets (seats for Ten club and/or public sale?).  I like what I have but just wondering what is the logistics, what's the hold up? Sure the virus, the vaccine, being indoors, masks, etc. Just posting my impatience venting.

I think it's the challenges.   I was reading a thing by Slash last week where when they weren't playing on stage they had to be locked up in their hotel rooms.   They couldn't go out and do anything because if they got Covid or a crew member got Covid it causes shows to get cancelled.  I can't imagine that's a great way to tour (it's hard enough being away from home for long period of times, let alone being trapped in a hotel why doing so).

We've seen other bands have to cancel dates, when they've had covid issues pop up with band/crew members.

It's still a little messy.  I can see why the band is trying to wait for it to be less messy.

As for me.  I have to cross the border to get to Oakland shows, so I'm not in a rush because I'm hoping it's get easier to cross the border (aka no covid tests, just vaccine cards) in the future.  Plus I get sick when I fly (always on the way back for some reason) so I don't really want to fly, which means if PJ plays oakland I'm looking at a long drive :(

Weston1283

vedpunk said:

As silly as this sounds, could we see Eddie and the Vedders (The Earthlings) before PJ at this point?  Maybe different members of PJ have different opinions, COVID stances and drive towards touring again.  I sure hope not but this is starting to get ridiculous with the lack of tour updates. 

I’ll double down on my opinion that EV and the Earthlings is a more significant development than people want to believe 

F Me In The Brain

I do think they should give the money back to the people who don't agree with how they are handling this and just move everyone else closer.
No reason not to offer another opportunity to refund to those who no longer want their tickets.

Weston1283

F Me In The Brain said:

I do think they should give the money back to the people who don't agree with how they are handling this and just move everyone else closer.
No reason not to offer another opportunity to refund to those who no longer want their tickets.

Is the refund window closed?  I’ve successfully refunded tickets through both 10c and Ticketmaster very recently 

F Me In The Brain

Weston1283 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I do think they should give the money back to the people who don't agree with how they are handling this and just move everyone else closer.
No reason not to offer another opportunity to refund to those who no longer want their tickets.

Is the refund window closed?  I’ve successfully refunded tickets through both 10c and Ticketmaster very recently 

Really?
If that is the case a lot of people should just change out their tickets and quit bitching about the fact that the band doesn't fit their viewpoint.

on2legs

Weston1283 said:

vedpunk said:

As silly as this sounds, could we see Eddie and the Vedders (The Earthlings) before PJ at this point?  Maybe different members of PJ have different opinions, COVID stances and drive towards touring again.  I sure hope not but this is starting to get ridiculous with the lack of tour updates. 

I’ll double down on my opinion that EV and the Earthlings is a more significant development than people want to believe 

Maybe. But I'm more of the opinion that Ed's dabbling with another band is mostly a product of a lot of free time during the pandemic. Ed's creative output, in my opinion, trails Jeff and Stone over the years.  He's been basically doing solo shows with the same material since 2007.  Personally, I don't really think Ed has a bunch of Earthling albums in the hopper. 

darwinstheory

F Me In The Brain said:

I do think they should give the money back to the people who don't agree with how they are handling this and just move everyone else closer.
No reason not to offer another opportunity to refund to those who no longer want their tickets.

I don't disagree with this.

PJNB

on2legs said:

Weston1283 said:

vedpunk said:

As silly as this sounds, could we see Eddie and the Vedders (The Earthlings) before PJ at this point?  Maybe different members of PJ have different opinions, COVID stances and drive towards touring again.  I sure hope not but this is starting to get ridiculous with the lack of tour updates. 

I’ll double down on my opinion that EV and the Earthlings is a more significant development than people want to believe 

Maybe. But I'm more of the opinion that Ed's dabbling with another band is mostly a product of a lot of free time during the pandemic. Ed's creative output, in my opinion, trails Jeff and Stone over the years.  He's been basically doing solo shows with the same material since 2007.  Personally, I don't really think Ed has a bunch of Earthling albums in the hopper. 

This.

kramer73

helplessdancer said:

we need to kick covid's ass first and i can wait a little longer to be really free.

Unfortunately this will never happen.  Too many people don’t care enough.  

drakeheuer14

kramer73 said:

helplessdancer said:

we need to kick covid's ass first and i can wait a little longer to be really free.

Unfortunately this will never happen.  Too many people don’t care enough.  

It can’t be kicked any harder than it has been already though…

HailHailVitalogy

matt84 said:

According to the Springsteen forum, Bruce’s tour dates are coming this Thursday.

Huge, PJ could follow very quickly

Side note, was at MSG tonight and will be again tomorrow. Obviously need vaxx to get in, but no masks required. 

PJNB

PJ where you at?

Gern Blansten

I wonder how many people complaining about the date announcements are not vaccinated. Getting vaxed helps move us all forward.

Weston1283

Gern Blansten said:

I wonder how many people complaining about the date announcements are not vaccinated. Getting vaxed helps move us all forward.

I would be willing to bet that almost everyone here is fully vaccinated, but also at the point where they feel they have done what has been asked of them, and realize we have done just about everything we can to stop this thing and that it is going to be a part of our lives for the next 50 years in some way or another.  

F Me In The Brain

Weston1283 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I wonder how many people complaining about the date announcements are not vaccinated. Getting vaxed helps move us all forward.

I would be willing to bet that almost everyone here is fully vaccinated, but also at the point where they feel they have done what has been asked of them, and realize we have done just about everything we can to stop this thing and that it is going to be a part of our lives for the next 50 years in some way or another.  

This may be true but also looks beyond what the band thinks is best.

If they are still offering money back (which i believe you shared yesterday was what you thought was the case) then I don't see the big departure from everything we know of/from Pearl Jam for them to sit back and make sure the decision they go with is one they fully support and think is the best thing for them to do for their organization, crew, band, and fans. 

(And this would include "thinking" for their fans as well as their fans' desire to see Pearl Jam at any costs being the lowest determining factor in their equation.)

Would I like to know the plans?  Sure, I would.

Did I want to know what the full tour plans were well in advance of their last few tour announcements?  Sure did.  They always roll this stuff out as it seems right to them -- and not with top value being placed on travel plans and vacation plans of their crazed fan base.