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Absolutely horrendously horrible. I’m very sorry for your loss and WTF is right. I can’t imagine. Hang in there.cincybearcat said:https://www.fox19.com/2023/02/28/4-killed-1-hospitalized-suspected-clermont-county-murder-suicide-identified/This shit has to stop. A friend of mine killed in a murder suicide along with his young child. His daughter survives but in critical condition. No official word on who did the shooting (but all songs point to the wife). I can’t even….wtf…
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That’s just fuuuuuuuuucked.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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So awful. No matter what is going on…how do you shoot your 13 year old son? Kid literally had no issues…just a good, solid, but goofy but family kid.Gern Blansten said:
Very sorry...that's awful.cincybearcat said:https://www.fox19.com/2023/02/28/4-killed-1-hospitalized-suspected-clermont-county-murder-suicide-identified/This shit has to stop. A friend of mine killed in a murder suicide along with his young child. His daughter survives but in critical condition. No official word on who did the shooting (but all songs point to the wife). I can’t even….wtf…
If a gun wasn’t in the house, these people are all living….
I went to school with a guy that killed his wife and then himself. Left two kids aged 9 and 3 in the house.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I just don't understand people that kill their spouse/kids along with theirselves. I know some people think there's a selfishness to suicide but I understand that a human can get to that point. What I don't understand is taking others out with you. It's bad enough that two kids lose their father to suicide but how do you bounce back from being left in the house after your father kills your mother and himself? And (not specific to this anecdote) why the hell would anyone kill their own child before killing themselves? I know sometimes people use "mental health" as a way to take the focus off the guns, but it's definitely a component.Gern Blansten said:
Very sorry...that's awful.cincybearcat said:https://www.fox19.com/2023/02/28/4-killed-1-hospitalized-suspected-clermont-county-murder-suicide-identified/This shit has to stop. A friend of mine killed in a murder suicide along with his young child. His daughter survives but in critical condition. No official word on who did the shooting (but all songs point to the wife). I can’t even….wtf…
If a gun wasn’t in the house, these people are all living….
I went to school with a guy that killed his wife and then himself. Left two kids aged 9 and 3 in the house.
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It's beyond me. The guy I knew was one of maybe three black kids in my high school. Super nice guy. I hadn't seen him since 1986 and the murder/suicide took place in 2001 I believe. I think the theory at the time was that his wife wanted to leave him and that's what caused it.OnWis97 said:
I just don't understand people that kill their spouse/kids along with theirselves. I know some people think there's a selfishness to suicide but I understand that a human can get to that point. What I don't understand is taking others out with you. It's bad enough that two kids lose their father to suicide but how do you bounce back from being left in the house after your father kills your mother and himself? And (not specific to this anecdote) why the hell would anyone kill their own child before killing themselves? I know sometimes people use "mental health" as a way to take the focus off the guns, but it's definitely a component.Gern Blansten said:
Very sorry...that's awful.cincybearcat said:https://www.fox19.com/2023/02/28/4-killed-1-hospitalized-suspected-clermont-county-murder-suicide-identified/This shit has to stop. A friend of mine killed in a murder suicide along with his young child. His daughter survives but in critical condition. No official word on who did the shooting (but all songs point to the wife). I can’t even….wtf…
If a gun wasn’t in the house, these people are all living….
I went to school with a guy that killed his wife and then himself. Left two kids aged 9 and 3 in the house.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/samantha-cains-medical-and-emergency-expensesThis is the sole survivor of the recent killings. They did determine it was the mother as the shooter. If you feel like you want to and are able, that is a Gofundme her friends setup for her. I can’t even imagine how she will move forward after healing physically.hippiemom = goodness0
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Thanks for sharing.cincybearcat said:https://www.gofundme.com/f/samantha-cains-medical-and-emergency-expensesThis is the sole survivor of the recent killings. They did determine it was the mother as the shooter. If you feel like you want to and are able, that is a Gofundme her friends setup for her. I can’t even imagine how she will move forward after healing physically.0 -
This may be obvious and I Just don't know. But how do they know that is a proud boys member? Looks like a dude with a lot of tattoos holding an assault rifle to me.Gern Blansten said:0 -
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This may be obvious and I Just don't know. But how do they know that is a proud boys member? Looks like a dude with a lot of tattoos holding an assault rifle to me.Gern Blansten said:
black shirt with the yellow PB on the left side. associated with them. its not exact but it seems a not so subtle targeted marketing scheme. its same letter stle and is missing the crossed wheat frame or whatever around the bottom.
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I didn't even notice those were letters on his shirt at first. Thought it was some weird design. But now that you pointed it out, seems obvious its a P and a B.mickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
This may be obvious and I Just don't know. But how do they know that is a proud boys member? Looks like a dude with a lot of tattoos holding an assault rifle to me.Gern Blansten said:
black shirt with the yellow PB on the left side. associated with them. its not exact but it seems a not so subtle targeted marketing scheme. its same letter stle and is missing the crossed wheat frame or whatever around the bottom.0 -
Looks more like an F and B to me, like the unis they wore when they raided Melania's underwear drawer. Too cheap for the I or were worried about the backlash?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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US judge strikes down Missouri gun law as unconstitutionalBy SUMMER BALLENTINE7 mins ago
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — A Missouri law banning local police from enforcing federal gun laws is unconstitutional and void, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.
U.S. District Judge Brian Wimes ruled the 2021 law is preempted by the federal government under the U.S. Constitution’s supremacy clause.
“At best, this statute causes confusion among state law enforcement officials who are deputized for federal task force operations, and at worst, is unconstitutional on its face," Wimes wrote.
Missouri's Republican Attorney General Andrew Bailey in a statement said he will appeal the ruling.
“As Attorney General, I will protect the Constitution, which includes defending Missourians’ fundamental right to bear arms," Bailey said. "We are prepared to defend this statute to the highest court, and we anticipate a better result at the Eighth Circuit.”
RELATED COVERAGEThe Missouri law had subjected law enforcement agencies with officers who knowingly enforced federal gun laws without equivalent state laws to a fine of $50,000 per violating officer.
Federal laws without similar Missouri laws include statutes covering weapons registration and tracking, and possession of firearms by some domestic violence offenders.
Conflict over Missouri’s law wrecked a crime-fighting partnership with U.S. attorneys that Missouri’s former Republican attorney general, now-Sen. Eric Schmitt, touted for years. Under Schmitt’s Safer Streets Initiative, attorneys from his office were deputized as assistant U.S. attorneys to help prosecute violent crimes.
The Justice Department, which last year sued to overturn the Missouri law, said the Missouri state crime lab, operated by the Highway Patrol, refused to process evidence that would help federal firearms prosecutions after the law took effect.
The Missouri Information and Analysis Center, also under the Highway Patrol, stopped cooperating with federal agencies investigating federal firearms offenses. And the Highway Patrol, along with many other agencies, suspended joint efforts to enforce federal firearms laws.
Wimes said police can now work with federal partners without worrying about breaking the voided law.
“State and local law enforcement officials in Missouri may lawfully participate in joint federal task forces, assist in the investigation and enforcement of federal firearm crimes, and fully share information with the Federal Government without fear of H.B. 85’s penalties,” the judge wrote.
Several Missouri prosecutors had testified against the bill, saying it jeopardized investigations and prosecutions against serious offenders while exposing state and local officers to civil liability.
“Given today's ruling, Missouri’s prosecutors and our state and local law enforcement partners look forward to again utilizing federal assistance when appropriate to apprehend and punish violent offenders who endanger the citizens of our state,” the statement said. “Police and prosecutors will return to their work without fear of losing their jobs or being held liable personally to criminal offenders simply because they are doing vital work to keep our communities safe.”
Republican lawmakers who helped pass the bill said they were motivated by the potential for new gun restrictions under Democratic President Joe Biden, who signed the most sweeping gun violence bill in decades last year.
The federal legislation toughened background checks for the youngest gun buyers, keeps firearms from more domestic violence offenders and helps states put in place red flag laws that make it easier for authorities to take weapons from people adjudged to be dangerous.
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Associated Press writer Heather Hollingsworth and Margaret Stafford contributed to this report from Kansas City, Missouri.
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The only safe 4 year olds are 4 year olds with guns. Nothing can be done.
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There were at least 2,070 unintentional shootings by children under 18 years old between 2015 and 2020, resulting in 765 deaths and 1,366 injuries, according to data compiled by Everytown Research & Policy, the research arm of the group that advocates for gun control and against gun violence. About 39% involved a shooter 9 years old or younger, the non-profit said.Halifax2TheMax said:The only safe 4 year olds are 4 year olds with guns. Nothing can be done.
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I wonder...how many instances of good guys with guns stopping bad guys/toddlers with guns? I'd bet not even close to the 765 to somehow "justify" their "rights".By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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There were at least 2,070 unintentional shootings by children under 18 years old between 2015 and 2020, resulting in 765 deaths and 1,366 injuries, according to data compiled by Everytown Research & Policy, the research arm of the group that advocates for gun control and against gun violence. About 39% involved a shooter 9 years old or younger, the non-profit said.Halifax2TheMax said:The only safe 4 year olds are 4 year olds with guns. Nothing can be done.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/13/us/girl-shoots-sister-texas/index.html
I wonder...how many instances of good guys with guns stopping bad guys/toddlers with guns? I'd bet not even close to the 765 to somehow "justify" their "rights".
behind these particular numbers, I'd like know how many parents or adults were charged vs how many L.E. agents simply called it an accident.
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Boo! Obama’s coming!gimmesometruth27 said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Just another sad day in Gun World:
3 children killed in shooting at Nashville private school
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Three children were killed in a shooting at a private Christian grade school in Nashville on Monday, hospital officials said. The suspect is also dead after a confrontation with police.
All three children had gunshot wounds from the shooting at The Covenant School, a Presbyterian school for about 200 students from preschool through sixth grade. The victims were pronounced dead upon arrival at the Monroe Carell Jr. Children’s Hospital.
It was not immediately clear whether anyone else was wounded in the attack. Other students walked to safety Monday, holding hands as they left their school surrounded by police cars, to a nearby church to reunited with their parents.
The shooter died after being “engaged by” officers, Metro Nashville Police said in a Twitter post. It was not immediately clear whether the shooter died by suicide or was shot by police.
The fire department said it responded to an “active aggressor” but did not give any specifics. Other details about the shooting were not immediately available.
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