"Black" revisited

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  • Igottago
    Igottago Posts: 483
    I'm having my "black" days right now..just got told by a girl that i love more than anything that she needs time away from me. This is the worst feeling, and I keep playing the song time after time. I honestly dont think I ever fully understood the deep pain behind the song until now. This is complete hell right now.
  • Linda
    Linda Posts: 1,656
    I always wonder if it could be (partial) about the child that would be a grown up right now if she(?) had not been aborted........or am i way off?
    i'm not happy yet.....
  • Linda
    Linda Posts: 1,656
    Igottago wrote:
    I'm having my "black" days right now..just got told by a girl that i love more than anything that she needs time away from me. This is the worst feeling, and I keep playing the song time after time. I honestly dont think I ever fully understood the deep pain behind the song until now. This is complete hell right now.


    Oh, do i feel for you, this is indeed the most awfull feeling there is.......but hee, we've all been there, or are going to have to face this uggly motherf*cking pain your feeling right now.....take care
    i'm not happy yet.....
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    fluttergirlie wrote:
    It happened at my first PJ show in Dublin last year, Eddie seemed genuinely moved as the crowd went on for several minutes after the song had ended, it actually sent a bit of a chill up my spine when Ed said 'there it is, the beauty of Ireland right there' when it eventually faded out :cool:


    I cannot help but to wonder if the woman from "Black" was Irish? :rolleyes: ....and he wouldn't be the first guy to fall in love with a cute Irish lass! I did once. :)
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    Igottago wrote:
    I'm having my "black" days right now..just got told by a girl that i love more than anything that she needs time away from me. This is the worst feeling, and I keep playing the song time after time. I honestly dont think I ever fully understood the deep pain behind the song until now. This is complete hell right now.

    Igottago,

    Please know that in your pain, and in your new understanding of "Black," you have become a member of a global community. As you weep, we all do. We weep for what was, and what may never be.

    You're not alone in that hurt....You're not alone.

    Matthew
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    Hey man, I have noticed the same things over the past few years and I feel better with confirmation. The end of the song through tags is not so tragic any longer, more of an "I am moving on" vibe.

    I always felt that it must be kinda strange for his wife to hear him sing a song that rips his heart out about a past soulmate.
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    Hey man, I have noticed the same things over the past few years and I feel better with confirmation. The end of the song through tags is not so tragic any longer, more of an "I am moving on" vibe.

    I always felt that it must be kinda strange for his wife to hear him sing a song that rips his heart out about a past soulmate.


    Actually, I think that he's single......he was married (once), but not anymore.

    ...but you are right....the Madrid 2007 tag shows that he's putting it behind him.

    ...and we all wish him the best with that.

    Matt

    Madrid, 2007

    what could have been
    what could have been
    will never be
    it could have been here
    I could have been there
    well I want to be here
    fuck you and them
    I'm with my friends (fans?)
    I've got an end

    what could have been
    what could have been
    no longer care
    I no longer care
    it's all right, it's all right
    it's all right, it's all right
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    yes, my bad. his girlfriend and babys momma is what I meant to say. I put myself in her shoes, and to hear my wife sing her ass off so emotionally about a past romance would bug me a bit...
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    yes, my bad. his girlfriend and babys momma is what I meant to say. I put myself in her shoes, and to hear my wife sing her ass off so emotionally about a past romance would bug me a bit...


    ...and I agree....it might leave me feeling a bit like a 2nd class citizen if my wife sang her heart out about how much she pined for "him."

    ...that would sting a bit....

    Matthew
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • vedderfan10
    vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    Now you're making me ill...
    be philanthropic
  • kinetic
    kinetic Posts: 148
    Vedderfan10 wrote:
    Now you're making me ill...

    Yeah. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Enough already.
    When you're married, you'll understand the importance of fresh produce.
  • ashtrayrock
    ashtrayrock Posts: 167
    Cool Thread, and to a beauty of a song.

    I didn't realize that the newer tags showing up are giving us different angles of the song, as it's played out today. Interesting read.

    In the end I think the song can be taken from many angles and my guess is that it's not just one view of one loss. This is why it relates so well. IMO
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  • Igottago
    Igottago Posts: 483
    MarylandTeacher wrote:
    Igottago,

    Please know that in your pain, and in your new understanding of "Black," you have become a member of a global community. As you weep, we all do. We weep for what was, and what may never be.

    You're not alone in that hurt....You're not alone.

    Matthew

    Thanks...that means a lot. I'm thankful to have some amazing friends who are helping me get through this...I know it will turn out okay...but when its this fresh its pretty tough.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    Igottago wrote:
    Thanks...that means a lot. I'm thankful to have some amazing friends who are helping me get through this...I know it will turn out okay...but when its this fresh its pretty tough.


    ...glad to help out. We all have our own "Black" in our history.....but it's no less painful. If it is any consolation at all, you are not alone with this.

    Keep your chin up, and hold your head up...give yourself permission to be human.

    Matt
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    GetALife wrote:
    ...to mention Santa Barbara 2006:

    "(It) take(s) the pain away
    when I hear you say
    du du dut dut du du duu..."


    ....to the fact that the Narrator from "Black" is still in great pain....it isn't until Madrid of '07 when the Narrator seems to gain some measure of solace.

    Matthew
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    ashtrayrock wrote:
    Cool Thread, and to a beauty of a song.

    I didn't realize that the newer tags showing up are giving us different angles of the song, as it's played out today. Interesting read.

    In the end I think the song can be taken from many angles and my guess is that it's not just one view of one loss. This is why it relates so well. IMO


    ...seem to act as an emotional thermometer...it shows a slow cooling of the pain felt by the Narrator in "Black." They seem to show a pattern over time.

    ....but that's just my spin....

    Matt
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    eddievedder64 wrote:
    I'm just getting chills and on the verge of tears reading this.....this is a great analysis Maryland Teacher....and I do think you are definitely on the right track.

    I have always thought when EV is saying this tag he is sending a messages to him, whoever black is about, us etc.


    I enjoyed writing it....looking at the tags only deepens the mystery.
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    Studying the tags like this seems a bit like analyzing someone's diary. Maybe it's a bit invasive?
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  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    justam wrote:
    Studying the tags like this seems a bit like analyzing someone's diary. Maybe it's a bit invasive?
    The answer is no.
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • kinetic
    kinetic Posts: 148
    justam wrote:
    ...Maybe it's a bit invasive?

    Agreed. Thinking about a song's interpretation and how the lyrics resonate with someone personally is a very nice thing.

    But imagining how the lyrics and the changing tags connect to the personal and emotional state of the writer and posting your results on a message board is indeed creepy. "What's Ed's emotional state? Is he single? Is he singing about an Irish woman? What's really going on in his life?"

    Yeah, invasive. Maybe you can wonder about Ed's personal life, but why would you want to?

    Posting what you think about his personal life and emotional state based on a song tag is definitely invasive. It's going over the top. And irrelevant.
    When you're married, you'll understand the importance of fresh produce.

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