i like a vienna 06 tag,is very special, but it has nothing to do with this topic i guess:)but check it its nice;)
I'll check it out
Mr. B
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
--> Melbourne 2006 (III - I guess): "We didn't belong together", after he pleases "Somebody help me (please)" and "Pull me up"...
Does anyone know about the earliest crowd-is-taking-over the background chant of the end?
My first show was in Hamburg 2000 and I thought that this was the earliest one ...crowd is making "dut dut dut..." and Eddies singing very quietly "We belong together" and introduces the next song with (grammatically challenging) "The next song is called 'Insignificance' which that last moment wasn't".
But a few days ago I read in one forum about Lisbon(?) 1996 where the crowd is taking it over too...
"Somebody help me!"
Chris,
Oldenburg, Germany
2000: Hamburg 2006: Berlin 2007: Munich * Düsseldorf 2009: Berlin * Manchester * London 2010: Dublin * Belfast * Berlin 2012: Amsterdam I & II * Berlin I & II * Stockholm * Oslo * Copenhagen EV 2012: Amsterdam I & II 2014: Amsterdam I & II * Milan * Trieste * Vienna * Berlin EV 2017: Berlin 2018: Amsterdam I & II * Prague * Krakow * Berlin 2022: Berlin- Vienna - Prague - Amsterdam I - Amsterdam II # 2024:Berlin I & II
~~~
“It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of their children is not to bring those children into existence in the first place.” ― David Benatar - Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence
"(It) take(s) the pain away
when I hear you say
du du dut dut du du duu..."
2000: Hamburg 2006: Berlin 2007: Munich * Düsseldorf 2009: Berlin * Manchester * London 2010: Dublin * Belfast * Berlin 2012: Amsterdam I & II * Berlin I & II * Stockholm * Oslo * Copenhagen EV 2012: Amsterdam I & II 2014: Amsterdam I & II * Milan * Trieste * Vienna * Berlin EV 2017: Berlin 2018: Amsterdam I & II * Prague * Krakow * Berlin 2022: Berlin- Vienna - Prague - Amsterdam I - Amsterdam II # 2024:Berlin I & II
~~~
“It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of their children is not to bring those children into existence in the first place.” ― David Benatar - Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence
--> Melbourne 2006 (III - I guess): "We didn't belong together", after he pleases "Somebody help me (please)" and "Pull me up"...
Does anyone know about the earliest crowd-is-taking-over the background chant of the end?
My first show was in Hamburg 2000 and I thought that this was the earliest one ...crowd is making "dut dut dut..." and Eddies singing very quietly "We belong together" and introduces the next song with (grammatically challenging) "The next song is called 'Insignificance' which that last moment wasn't".
But a few days ago I read in one forum about Lisbon(?) 1996 where the crowd is taking it over too...
"Somebody help me!"
Chris,
Oldenburg, Germany
Ahhhh... that was my second show ever...I think this moment was one of the best of my life. The entire arena was just buzzing by itself like magic...eddie was just whispering....and the crowd kept goinng. I havent seen that same energy during Black since. (now up to 43 shows)
--> Melbourne 2006 (III - I guess): "We didn't belong together", after he pleases "Somebody help me (please)" and "Pull me up"...
Does anyone know about the earliest crowd-is-taking-over the background chant of the end?
My first show was in Hamburg 2000 and I thought that this was the earliest one ...crowd is making "dut dut dut..." and Eddies singing very quietly "We belong together" and introduces the next song with (grammatically challenging) "The next song is called 'Insignificance' which that last moment wasn't".
But a few days ago I read in one forum about Lisbon(?) 1996 where the crowd is taking it over too...
"Somebody help me!"
Chris,
Oldenburg, Germany
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
Ahhhh... that was my second show ever...I think this moment was one of the best of my life. The entire arena was just buzzing by itself like magic...eddie was just whispering....and the crowd kept goinng. I havent seen that same energy during Black since. (now up to 43 shows)
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
As a 31 yr old woman, wife and mother of 4, currently. Having heard this song first when I was about 15-16, I think. The way I feel when I hear this song is as strong, or stronger as the years go by. I felt a connection to the song when I heard it first,a strong one at that. As I felt the song was describing in a few simple words "me" and my "pain".
For me though its not as if ,that I still feel for anyone of my losses now the same way I felt for them then, but its these losses that have molded me into the individual that I am today, but while going through the losses i felt a terrible pain. At those times, the times of difficulty I could'nt imagine life with what was happening.
We grieve and slowly time heals the wound, and many wounds for that matter. I've learned through my losses the consequences that happen from them.
I'm trying to say here that everytime "he" sings this song he relives the time that it was written in,..the pain ,..the moment. The tags added later is what he feels while reliving the moment. And I'm sure being that hes a father now... and I'm saying this as I feel as a mother... that his main love in life must be his child. Seeing that it had to be this way.
We learn responsibility, understanding and wisdom through our difficulties. Our children also become the love of our lives. Maybe when reliving the moments while singing "black" he no longer feels the pain once felt because of his current love or situation, and is what he, feels that its better. Yet still is able to somewhat still feel for the pain once felt.
We will always "wonder what could have been" that you can't help... being that we are human. Even though I love my husband and children and now can't imagine life any other way, but "wonder" sometimes and say to myself, but then "this" couldn't be...i love "this" more ... more then me.
As we grow older we also realise that "my" pain is so minute compared to that of the world. That our pain is so trivial compared to whats happening in the world. Not that I am belittling the pain that was once felt because that was the world at the time... I'm saying time has moved the pain onto bigger issues of the world... the world that will be passed to our children= "my love".
As for wondering about who "she" is... thats what makes it special... the song is HIS not HERS. I felt with his pain not hers so I don't really "wonder" about her as she probably doesn't care.
Just my opinion, love this song sooooooo much!
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
.....I have to admit that I am nearly speechless after having read your work. It's as if you were in my head when you wrote it...wow...just....wow.
Matthew
I feel honored, Thanks
Troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight
I am fuel, you are friends, we got the means to make amends
I am lost, I'm no guide, but I'm by your side
I am right by your side... PJ
You really did blow me away with how close your thinking was to mine....it was as if you were with me when I wrote my "Open Letter to Mr. Vedder."
Matthew
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
--> Melbourne 2006 (III - I guess): "We didn't belong together", after he pleases "Somebody help me (please)" and "Pull me up"...
Does anyone know about the earliest crowd-is-taking-over the background chant of the end?
My first show was in Hamburg 2000 and I thought that this was the earliest one ...crowd is making "dut dut dut..." and Eddies singing very quietly "We belong together" and introduces the next song with (grammatically challenging) "The next song is called 'Insignificance' which that last moment wasn't".
But a few days ago I read in one forum about Lisbon(?) 1996 where the crowd is taking it over too...
"Somebody help me!"
Chris,
Oldenburg, Germany
It happened at my first PJ show in Dublin last year, Eddie seemed genuinely moved as the crowd went on for several minutes after the song had ended, it actually sent a bit of a chill up my spine when Ed said 'there it is, the beauty of Ireland right there' when it eventually faded out :cool:
Dublin - August 23rd 2006
Wembley - June 18th 2007
Hopefully many more to come...
I'm having my "black" days right now..just got told by a girl that i love more than anything that she needs time away from me. This is the worst feeling, and I keep playing the song time after time. I honestly dont think I ever fully understood the deep pain behind the song until now. This is complete hell right now.
I'm having my "black" days right now..just got told by a girl that i love more than anything that she needs time away from me. This is the worst feeling, and I keep playing the song time after time. I honestly dont think I ever fully understood the deep pain behind the song until now. This is complete hell right now.
Oh, do i feel for you, this is indeed the most awfull feeling there is.......but hee, we've all been there, or are going to have to face this uggly motherf*cking pain your feeling right now.....take care
It happened at my first PJ show in Dublin last year, Eddie seemed genuinely moved as the crowd went on for several minutes after the song had ended, it actually sent a bit of a chill up my spine when Ed said 'there it is, the beauty of Ireland right there' when it eventually faded out :cool:
I cannot help but to wonder if the woman from "Black" was Irish? :rolleyes: ....and he wouldn't be the first guy to fall in love with a cute Irish lass! I did once.
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
I'm having my "black" days right now..just got told by a girl that i love more than anything that she needs time away from me. This is the worst feeling, and I keep playing the song time after time. I honestly dont think I ever fully understood the deep pain behind the song until now. This is complete hell right now.
Igottago,
Please know that in your pain, and in your new understanding of "Black," you have become a member of a global community. As you weep, we all do. We weep for what was, and what may never be.
You're not alone in that hurt....You're not alone.
Matthew
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
Hey man, I have noticed the same things over the past few years and I feel better with confirmation. The end of the song through tags is not so tragic any longer, more of an "I am moving on" vibe.
I always felt that it must be kinda strange for his wife to hear him sing a song that rips his heart out about a past soulmate.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
Hey man, I have noticed the same things over the past few years and I feel better with confirmation. The end of the song through tags is not so tragic any longer, more of an "I am moving on" vibe.
I always felt that it must be kinda strange for his wife to hear him sing a song that rips his heart out about a past soulmate.
Actually, I think that he's single......he was married (once), but not anymore.
...but you are right....the Madrid 2007 tag shows that he's putting it behind him.
...and we all wish him the best with that.
Matt
Madrid, 2007
what could have been
what could have been
will never be
it could have been here
I could have been there
well I want to be here
fuck you and them
I'm with my friends (fans?)
I've got an end
what could have been
what could have been
no longer care
I no longer care
it's all right, it's all right
it's all right, it's all right
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
yes, my bad. his girlfriend and babys momma is what I meant to say. I put myself in her shoes, and to hear my wife sing her ass off so emotionally about a past romance would bug me a bit...
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
yes, my bad. his girlfriend and babys momma is what I meant to say. I put myself in her shoes, and to hear my wife sing her ass off so emotionally about a past romance would bug me a bit...
...and I agree....it might leave me feeling a bit like a 2nd class citizen if my wife sang her heart out about how much she pined for "him."
...that would sting a bit....
Matthew
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
Please know that in your pain, and in your new understanding of "Black," you have become a member of a global community. As you weep, we all do. We weep for what was, and what may never be.
You're not alone in that hurt....You're not alone.
Matthew
Thanks...that means a lot. I'm thankful to have some amazing friends who are helping me get through this...I know it will turn out okay...but when its this fresh its pretty tough.
Thanks...that means a lot. I'm thankful to have some amazing friends who are helping me get through this...I know it will turn out okay...but when its this fresh its pretty tough.
...glad to help out. We all have our own "Black" in our history.....but it's no less painful. If it is any consolation at all, you are not alone with this.
Keep your chin up, and hold your head up...give yourself permission to be human.
Matt
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
"(It) take(s) the pain away
when I hear you say
du du dut dut du du duu..."
....to the fact that the Narrator from "Black" is still in great pain....it isn't until Madrid of '07 when the Narrator seems to gain some measure of solace.
Matthew
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
I didn't realize that the newer tags showing up are giving us different angles of the song, as it's played out today. Interesting read.
In the end I think the song can be taken from many angles and my guess is that it's not just one view of one loss. This is why it relates so well. IMO
...seem to act as an emotional thermometer...it shows a slow cooling of the pain felt by the Narrator in "Black." They seem to show a pattern over time.
....but that's just my spin....
Matt
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
I'm just getting chills and on the verge of tears reading this.....this is a great analysis Maryland Teacher....and I do think you are definitely on the right track.
I have always thought when EV is saying this tag he is sending a messages to him, whoever black is about, us etc.
I enjoyed writing it....looking at the tags only deepens the mystery.
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
Agreed. Thinking about a song's interpretation and how the lyrics resonate with someone personally is a very nice thing.
But imagining how the lyrics and the changing tags connect to the personal and emotional state of the writer and posting your results on a message board is indeed creepy. "What's Ed's emotional state? Is he single? Is he singing about an Irish woman? What's really going on in his life?"
Yeah, invasive. Maybe you can wonder about Ed's personal life, but why would you want to?
Posting what you think about his personal life and emotional state based on a song tag is definitely invasive. It's going over the top. And irrelevant.
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I'll check it out
Mr. B
--> Melbourne 2006 (III - I guess): "We didn't belong together", after he pleases "Somebody help me (please)" and "Pull me up"...
Does anyone know about the earliest crowd-is-taking-over the background chant of the end?
My first show was in Hamburg 2000 and I thought that this was the earliest one ...crowd is making "dut dut dut..." and Eddies singing very quietly "We belong together" and introduces the next song with (grammatically challenging) "The next song is called 'Insignificance' which that last moment wasn't".
But a few days ago I read in one forum about Lisbon(?) 1996 where the crowd is taking it over too...
"Somebody help me!"
Chris,
Oldenburg, Germany
2006: Berlin
2007: Munich * Düsseldorf
2009: Berlin * Manchester * London
2010: Dublin * Belfast * Berlin
2012: Amsterdam I & II * Berlin I & II * Stockholm * Oslo * Copenhagen
EV 2012: Amsterdam I & II
2014: Amsterdam I & II * Milan * Trieste * Vienna * Berlin
EV 2017: Berlin
2018: Amsterdam I & II * Prague * Krakow * Berlin
2022: Berlin- Vienna - Prague - Amsterdam I - Amsterdam II #
2024: Berlin I & II
~~~
“It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of their children is not to bring those children into existence in the first place.”
― David Benatar - Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence
"(It) take(s) the pain away
when I hear you say
du du dut dut du du duu..."
2006: Berlin
2007: Munich * Düsseldorf
2009: Berlin * Manchester * London
2010: Dublin * Belfast * Berlin
2012: Amsterdam I & II * Berlin I & II * Stockholm * Oslo * Copenhagen
EV 2012: Amsterdam I & II
2014: Amsterdam I & II * Milan * Trieste * Vienna * Berlin
EV 2017: Berlin
2018: Amsterdam I & II * Prague * Krakow * Berlin
2022: Berlin- Vienna - Prague - Amsterdam I - Amsterdam II #
2024: Berlin I & II
~~~
“It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of their children is not to bring those children into existence in the first place.”
― David Benatar - Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence
Ahhhh... that was my second show ever...I think this moment was one of the best of my life. The entire arena was just buzzing by itself like magic...eddie was just whispering....and the crowd kept goinng. I havent seen that same energy during Black since. (now up to 43 shows)
Talk about a great find! :cool:
MB
Matthew
I feel honored, Thanks
I am fuel, you are friends, we got the means to make amends
I am lost, I'm no guide, but I'm by your side
I am right by your side... PJ
You really did blow me away with how close your thinking was to mine....it was as if you were with me when I wrote my "Open Letter to Mr. Vedder."
Matthew
It happened at my first PJ show in Dublin last year, Eddie seemed genuinely moved as the crowd went on for several minutes after the song had ended, it actually sent a bit of a chill up my spine when Ed said 'there it is, the beauty of Ireland right there' when it eventually faded out :cool:
Wembley - June 18th 2007
Hopefully many more to come...
Oh, do i feel for you, this is indeed the most awfull feeling there is.......but hee, we've all been there, or are going to have to face this uggly motherf*cking pain your feeling right now.....take care
I cannot help but to wonder if the woman from "Black" was Irish? :rolleyes: ....and he wouldn't be the first guy to fall in love with a cute Irish lass! I did once.
Igottago,
Please know that in your pain, and in your new understanding of "Black," you have become a member of a global community. As you weep, we all do. We weep for what was, and what may never be.
You're not alone in that hurt....You're not alone.
Matthew
I always felt that it must be kinda strange for his wife to hear him sing a song that rips his heart out about a past soulmate.
Actually, I think that he's single......he was married (once), but not anymore.
...but you are right....the Madrid 2007 tag shows that he's putting it behind him.
...and we all wish him the best with that.
Matt
Madrid, 2007
what could have been
what could have been
will never be
it could have been here
I could have been there
well I want to be here
fuck you and them
I'm with my friends (fans?)
I've got an end
what could have been
what could have been
no longer care
I no longer care
it's all right, it's all right
it's all right, it's all right
...and I agree....it might leave me feeling a bit like a 2nd class citizen if my wife sang her heart out about how much she pined for "him."
...that would sting a bit....
Matthew
Yeah. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Enough already.
I didn't realize that the newer tags showing up are giving us different angles of the song, as it's played out today. Interesting read.
In the end I think the song can be taken from many angles and my guess is that it's not just one view of one loss. This is why it relates so well. IMO
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Thanks...that means a lot. I'm thankful to have some amazing friends who are helping me get through this...I know it will turn out okay...but when its this fresh its pretty tough.
...glad to help out. We all have our own "Black" in our history.....but it's no less painful. If it is any consolation at all, you are not alone with this.
Keep your chin up, and hold your head up...give yourself permission to be human.
Matt
....to the fact that the Narrator from "Black" is still in great pain....it isn't until Madrid of '07 when the Narrator seems to gain some measure of solace.
Matthew
...seem to act as an emotional thermometer...it shows a slow cooling of the pain felt by the Narrator in "Black." They seem to show a pattern over time.
....but that's just my spin....
Matt
I enjoyed writing it....looking at the tags only deepens the mystery.
Agreed. Thinking about a song's interpretation and how the lyrics resonate with someone personally is a very nice thing.
But imagining how the lyrics and the changing tags connect to the personal and emotional state of the writer and posting your results on a message board is indeed creepy. "What's Ed's emotional state? Is he single? Is he singing about an Irish woman? What's really going on in his life?"
Yeah, invasive. Maybe you can wonder about Ed's personal life, but why would you want to?
Posting what you think about his personal life and emotional state based on a song tag is definitely invasive. It's going over the top. And irrelevant.