WOKE

HughFreakingDillon

this isn't fucking rocket science. the education system in your country is so awful that the majority of voters are too ignorant to vote WITH their actual interests. They believe everything a snake oil salesman says because it appeals to their biases, or 10 second outrage reels on tik tok. People are too lazy to actually read beyond a sensationalist headline, and when they do, they don't use their brains to actually analyze the data presented to them. And the ones who are smart enough, only care about the economy. When trump tanks it, and he is/will, they'll vote D. 

this is why R's are so busy tryin to rig future elections with gerrymandering and disinformation: they know it's going to swing the other way. It always does. 

Tim Simmons

I think its easy to blame education in this country (and it is a factor in terms of learning how to think critically and weed out BS and properly research and all that). Its a confluence of reasons. Its community and values, sometimes religious, sometimes regional. Its limited exposure to experiences and cultures. Its misinformation (thats where the lack of critical thinking comes into play). A big factor is that change is slow. Its simplification of life due to technology. Its complex times of financial hurdles and hardship. Its not just one thing driving it.

The upside is, if you look at the last 4 generations of Americans from Boomers to Z, you see the long term change in thinking. Some can call it growth, but change for the better happens. there are setbacks (we are currently in one). But values and understanding has changed over the past 50 years. Yeah, its not where many want it to be, but things are better.

gimmesometruth27

oh we can put those 10 commandments up in classrooms now though. 

tempo_n_groove

Tim Simmons said:

I think its easy to blame education in this country (and it is a factor in terms of learning how to think critically and weed out BS and properly research and all that). Its a confluence of reasons. Its community and values, sometimes religious, sometimes regional. Its limited exposure to experiences and cultures. Its misinformation (thats where the lack of critical thinking comes into play). A big factor is that change is slow. Its simplification of life due to technology. Its complex times of financial hurdles and hardship. Its not just one thing driving it.

The upside is, if you look at the last 4 generations of Americans from Boomers to Z, you see the long term change in thinking. Some can call it growth, but change for the better happens. there are setbacks (we are currently in one). But values and understanding has changed over the past 50 years. Yeah, its not where many want it to be, but things are better.

I would say there is a definite setback right now.  I hear more and more young people that have little respect or regard to elders.

Another problem is the youth of today do not get their news from a news station or publication anymore.  It's all through social media.  Almost none of them don't read/watch in depth reporting.

I was shocked to hear that when they did a case study on youth today.

We know the old guard news medias are dyeing.  If they go then there won't be good reporting and the world could go to shit even further.

I do wish the woke generation would invest in some old fashioned news reporting.

Tim Simmons

When we take away their options, I can’t blame them from going to TikTok and other social media for news. 

Tim Simmons

And as for “respect for their elders”, respect is earned not a given. That may be on the decisions and behaviors of boomers and Xers. 

tempo_n_groove

Tim Simmons said:

And as for “respect for their elders”, respect is earned not a given. That may be on the decisions and behaviors of boomers and Xers. 

ehhh.  I want to disagree with that.  It's as if they have disdain for adults and older people in general.

One thing wrong with our country is the lack of empathy or respect, I know you say its something earned, towards older people.

In other countries the elders are celebrated.  Here we can't wait for them to die it seems.

tempo_n_groove

Tim Simmons said:

When we take away their options, I can’t blame them from going to TikTok and other social media for news. 

What options are taken away?  The news is still on.  They still print newspapers.  

gimmesometruth27

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

When we take away their options, I can’t blame them from going to TikTok and other social media for news. 

What options are taken away?  The news is still on.  They still print newspapers.  

cbs has bowed to trump. 

online newspapers are behind a paywall.

right wing organizations have bought up all the local news stations and make the reporters read pre-written editorials on the air so that all those networks are on the same page.

the news today is not presented how it was when we were growing up. it is more accessible, but not unbiased. 

gimmesometruth27

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

And as for “respect for their elders”, respect is earned not a given. That may be on the decisions and behaviors of boomers and Xers. 

ehhh.  I want to disagree with that.  It's as if they have disdain for adults and older people in general.

One thing wrong with our country is the lack of empathy or respect, I know you say its something earned, towards older people.

In other countries the elders are celebrated.  Here we can't wait for them to die it seems.

i think the young look at the boomers as the generation that will take everything for themselves and take things away from the young. the boomers own everything, they get all the medicare, yet they vote for their own interests and overwhelmingly support trump. it is funny that the old hippies now are maga. the young see that, and boomers are doing nothing to hide it.

tempo_n_groove

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

When we take away their options, I can’t blame them from going to TikTok and other social media for news. 

What options are taken away?  The news is still on.  They still print newspapers.  

cbs has bowed to trump. 

online newspapers are behind a paywall.

right wing organizations have bought up all the local news stations and make the reporters read pre-written editorials on the air so that all those networks are on the same page.

the news today is not presented how it was when we were growing up. it is more accessible, but not unbiased. 

God bless the BBC then.  Al Jazeera isn't all that bad either.

tempo_n_groove

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

And as for “respect for their elders”, respect is earned not a given. That may be on the decisions and behaviors of boomers and Xers. 

ehhh.  I want to disagree with that.  It's as if they have disdain for adults and older people in general.

One thing wrong with our country is the lack of empathy or respect, I know you say its something earned, towards older people.

In other countries the elders are celebrated.  Here we can't wait for them to die it seems.

i think the young look at the boomers as the generation that will take everything for themselves and take things away from the young. the boomers own everything, they get all the medicare, yet they vote for their own interests and overwhelmingly support trump. it is funny that the old hippies now are maga. the young see that, and boomers are doing nothing to hide it.

I havent heard that angle.  It's an interesting one.

DE4173

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

When we take away their options, I can’t blame them from going to TikTok and other social media for news. 

What options are taken away?  The news is still on.  They still print newspapers.  

cbs has bowed to trump. 

online newspapers are behind a paywall.

right wing organizations have bought up all the local news stations and make the reporters read pre-written editorials on the air so that all those networks are on the same page.

the news today is not presented how it was when we were growing up. it is more accessible, but not unbiased. 

Big news if true!  🤯

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

And as for “respect for their elders”, respect is earned not a given. That may be on the decisions and behaviors of boomers and Xers. 

ehhh.  I want to disagree with that.  It's as if they have disdain for adults and older people in general.

One thing wrong with our country is the lack of empathy or respect, I know you say its something earned, towards older people.

In other countries the elders are celebrated.  Here we can't wait for them to die it seems.

I respected my elders as much as I respected any other human-to demand extra respect due to nothing but age always puzzled me. There’s a lot of shitty old people, just like there’s lots of shitty young people. 

When I first entered the work force I’d get that line from an older woman I worked with whenever we disagreed. Sorry, you don’t get to be right just because of your age. 

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

And as for “respect for their elders”, respect is earned not a given. That may be on the decisions and behaviors of boomers and Xers. 

ehhh.  I want to disagree with that.  It's as if they have disdain for adults and older people in general.

One thing wrong with our country is the lack of empathy or respect, I know you say its something earned, towards older people.

In other countries the elders are celebrated.  Here we can't wait for them to die it seems.

I respected my elders as much as I respected any other human-to demand extra respect due to nothing but age always puzzled me. There’s a lot of shitty old people, just like there’s lots of shitty young people. 

When I first entered the work force I’d get that line from an older woman I worked with whenever we disagreed. Sorry, you don’t get to be right just because of your age. 

Maybe respect is the wrong word.  Respectful?

I mean do you hold a door open for someone older or just slam it in their face?  Thats what I'm talking about.

tbergs

DE4173 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

When we take away their options, I can’t blame them from going to TikTok and other social media for news. 

What options are taken away?  The news is still on.  They still print newspapers.  

cbs has bowed to trump. 

online newspapers are behind a paywall.

right wing organizations have bought up all the local news stations and make the reporters read pre-written editorials on the air so that all those networks are on the same page.

the news today is not presented how it was when we were growing up. it is more accessible, but not unbiased. 

Big news if true!  🤯

Um, this has been happening for years already. Are you not aware of this and the agenda of the Sinclair group?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/02/sinclair-tv-disinformation-conservative-news

DE4173

tbergs said:

DE4173 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

When we take away their options, I can’t blame them from going to TikTok and other social media for news. 

What options are taken away?  The news is still on.  They still print newspapers.  

cbs has bowed to trump. 

online newspapers are behind a paywall.

right wing organizations have bought up all the local news stations and make the reporters read pre-written editorials on the air so that all those networks are on the same page.

the news today is not presented how it was when we were growing up. it is more accessible, but not unbiased. 

Big news if true!  🤯

Um, this has been happening for years already. Are you not aware of this and the agenda of the Sinclair group?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/02/sinclair-tv-disinformation-conservative-news

All of the local news stations have been bought up by right wing organizations?

Wow!

Tim Simmons

DE4173 said:

tbergs said:

DE4173 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

When we take away their options, I can’t blame them from going to TikTok and other social media for news. 

What options are taken away?  The news is still on.  They still print newspapers.  

cbs has bowed to trump. 

online newspapers are behind a paywall.

right wing organizations have bought up all the local news stations and make the reporters read pre-written editorials on the air so that all those networks are on the same page.

the news today is not presented how it was when we were growing up. it is more accessible, but not unbiased. 

Big news if true!  🤯

Um, this has been happening for years already. Are you not aware of this and the agenda of the Sinclair group?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/02/sinclair-tv-disinformation-conservative-news

All of the local news stations have been bought up by right wing organizations?

Wow!

Don't be disingenuous. Most are local stations that service smaller communities. So viewers need to deal with whats near them signal wise. 

Tim Simmons

Other than subscribing to a Newspaper and having it delivered (if they still do that), I have zero idea where to go to buy one. Maybe the train station? 

Like the TV station problems, many small town and regional newspapers are shutting down. 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/10/media/severe-shortage-local-news-muck-rack-journalism-index

Gern Blansten

Tim Simmons said:

DE4173 said:

As a huge NFL (and college football) fan, I think it's an excellent idea. The male cheerleaders give straight women and gay men an alternative to the female cheerleaders in their tiny outfits and the players in tight pants.

Win-win! 🙌

I don’t follow football, but I don’t see how it’s any difference than college cheerleading. I’m surprised people are upset. It’s weird. 


or are people “upset” because conservative outlets are reporting this as an issue because of 3 tweets? 

It's a bit different...the college male cheerleaders are generally the guys that hold up the females, the male NFL cheerleaders couldn't lift cotton candy above their heads