Here's some Back To The Future trivia for everybody. Don't look it up, because now with the internet, there's like websites dedicated to this. But when I figured it out in the early 90's just by watching these three movies on VHS, I thought it was a big deal and would commonly ask this of BTTF fans.
The question.....
At what I estimate to be between 3pm and 5pm on November 12, 1955 (for reference, it'd be the scene in Part 2 where Old Biff gives Young Biff the Sports Almanac), how many DeLorean time machines are there in Hill Valley?
Hmmm, 4? I am thinking cave, old Biff, present Marty and past Marty.
Edit: maybe 5 if I consider Doc's original, but I'm getting confused.
Yep! No need for the edit, you got it the first time. A lot of people forget the one in the cave because it hadn't happened yet in the film sequence, but in the timeline, it's the first one that's there.
This is a bit tricky, because the one in the cave doesn't appear until Doc is struck by lightning, so I don't think it's possible to have the one in the cave put there by the Doc Brown who was transported back to 1885 and the "1985" Doc Brown who is in 1955 at the same time. I think the answer should be 3. One stationed in 1955 Doc Brown's lab. One with old Biff. One with 1985 Doc Brown.
You're not thinking 4th dimensionally! Or maybe you are.
I think there's two schools of thought: single timeline and cause/effect (multiple timelines). I'm going by single timeline and you're going by cause/effect. In cause/effect like you're saying, the DeLorean in the cave just appears out of thin air after Doc is struck by lightning. And him getting struck by lightning sets into motion events such as Marty being delivered the letter from 1885, and discovering the car in the cave the following day.
In single timeline, it all goes chronologically. So the very first thing to happen in the timeline is Doc arrives in 1885. Then there's the events of BTTF3 that happen in 1885, and so on and so forth. Under that premise, the car has been buried since 1885. So when I'm watching the first movie and Marty is playing Johnny B. Goode, I'm picturing BTTF2 Marty climbing on the scaffold above, because I'm going off of one single timeline. Cause/effect has multiple timelines that change. So Marty playing guitar without another Marty above is one timeline, then the events of BTTF2 (cause) lead to there being a new timeline with a second Marty (effect).
Now, my single timeline theory gets challenged by alternate timelines like the alternate 1985. But I argue that never even happened because that would be a reality set in motion by young Biff becoming rich with the almanac, but in the single timeline, Marty gets it back and burns it.
I just think the single timeline is more fun to think about after you've seen these movies a millions time, The idea of the cave DeLorean appearing out of thin air following Doc being struck by lightning, while feasible I guess (matchbooks and newspaper articles change due to cause/effect), just isn't how I see it. To me, there was never a Twin Pines Mall. It was always Lone Pine Mall.
I want to premise my response is saying I love this discussion and I am a BTTF nerd! Really this is getting heavy.
So I'm trying to think back in BTTF 2 when they end up in the alternative 1985 after old Biff gave the book to himself. Even though Biff went back and gave the book to himself in 1955, the surroundings in 2015 did not change at all. Your point about multiple timelines makes a lot of sense. This is almost taking on a "Lost" type of feel now if we think of alternate dimensions. I love this thought experiment so much!
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
Here's some Back To The Future trivia for everybody. Don't look it up, because now with the internet, there's like websites dedicated to this. But when I figured it out in the early 90's just by watching these three movies on VHS, I thought it was a big deal and would commonly ask this of BTTF fans.
The question.....
At what I estimate to be between 3pm and 5pm on November 12, 1955 (for reference, it'd be the scene in Part 2 where Old Biff gives Young Biff the Sports Almanac), how many DeLorean time machines are there in Hill Valley?
Hmmm, 4? I am thinking cave, old Biff, present Marty and past Marty.
Edit: maybe 5 if I consider Doc's original, but I'm getting confused.
Yep! No need for the edit, you got it the first time. A lot of people forget the one in the cave because it hadn't happened yet in the film sequence, but in the timeline, it's the first one that's there.
This is a bit tricky, because the one in the cave doesn't appear until Doc is struck by lightning, so I don't think it's possible to have the one in the cave put there by the Doc Brown who was transported back to 1885 and the "1985" Doc Brown who is in 1955 at the same time. I think the answer should be 3. One stationed in 1955 Doc Brown's lab. One with old Biff. One with 1985 Doc Brown.
You're not thinking 4th dimensionally! Or maybe you are.
I think there's two schools of thought: single timeline and cause/effect (multiple timelines). I'm going by single timeline and you're going by cause/effect. In cause/effect like you're saying, the DeLorean in the cave just appears out of thin air after Doc is struck by lightning. And him getting struck by lightning sets into motion events such as Marty being delivered the letter from 1885, and discovering the car in the cave the following day.
In single timeline, it all goes chronologically. So the very first thing to happen in the timeline is Doc arrives in 1885. Then there's the events of BTTF3 that happen in 1885, and so on and so forth. Under that premise, the car has been buried since 1885. So when I'm watching the first movie and Marty is playing Johnny B. Goode, I'm picturing BTTF2 Marty climbing on the scaffold above, because I'm going off of one single timeline. Cause/effect has multiple timelines that change. So Marty playing guitar without another Marty above is one timeline, then the events of BTTF2 (cause) lead to there being a new timeline with a second Marty (effect).
Now, my single timeline theory gets challenged by alternate timelines like the alternate 1985. But I argue that never even happened because that would be a reality set in motion by young Biff becoming rich with the almanac, but in the single timeline, Marty gets it back and burns it.
I just think the single timeline is more fun to think about after you've seen these movies a millions time, The idea of the cave DeLorean appearing out of thin air following Doc being struck by lightning, while feasible I guess (matchbooks and newspaper articles change due to cause/effect), just isn't how I see it. To me, there was never a Twin Pines Mall. It was always Lone Pine Mall.
Here's some Back To The Future trivia for everybody. Don't look it up, because now with the internet, there's like websites dedicated to this. But when I figured it out in the early 90's just by watching these three movies on VHS, I thought it was a big deal and would commonly ask this of BTTF fans.
The question.....
At what I estimate to be between 3pm and 5pm on November 12, 1955 (for reference, it'd be the scene in Part 2 where Old Biff gives Young Biff the Sports Almanac), how many DeLorean time machines are there in Hill Valley?
Hmmm, 4? I am thinking cave, old Biff, present Marty and past Marty.
Edit: maybe 5 if I consider Doc's original, but I'm getting confused.
Yep! No need for the edit, you got it the first time. A lot of people forget the one in the cave because it hadn't happened yet in the film sequence, but in the timeline, it's the first one that's there.
This is a bit tricky, because the one in the cave doesn't appear until Doc is struck by lightning, so I don't think it's possible to have the one in the cave put there by the Doc Brown who was transported back to 1885 and the "1985" Doc Brown who is in 1955 at the same time. I think the answer should be 3. One stationed in 1955 Doc Brown's lab. One with old Biff. One with 1985 Doc Brown.
You're not thinking 4th dimensionally! Or maybe you are.
I think there's two schools of thought: single timeline and cause/effect (multiple timelines). I'm going by single timeline and you're going by cause/effect. In cause/effect like you're saying, the DeLorean in the cave just appears out of thin air after Doc is struck by lightning. And him getting struck by lightning sets into motion events such as Marty being delivered the letter from 1885, and discovering the car in the cave the following day.
In single timeline, it all goes chronologically. So the very first thing to happen in the timeline is Doc arrives in 1885. Then there's the events of BTTF3 that happen in 1885, and so on and so forth. Under that premise, the car has been buried since 1885. So when I'm watching the first movie and Marty is playing Johnny B. Goode, I'm picturing BTTF2 Marty climbing on the scaffold above, because I'm going off of one single timeline. Cause/effect has multiple timelines that change. So Marty playing guitar without another Marty above is one timeline, then the events of BTTF2 (cause) lead to there being a new timeline with a second Marty (effect).
Now, my single timeline theory gets challenged by alternate timelines like the alternate 1985. But I argue that never even happened because that would be a reality set in motion by young Biff becoming rich with the almanac, but in the single timeline, Marty gets it back and burns it.
I just think the single timeline is more fun to think about after you've seen these movies a millions time, The idea of the cave DeLorean appearing out of thin air following Doc being struck by lightning, while feasible I guess (matchbooks and newspaper articles change due to cause/effect), just isn't how I see it. To me, there was never a Twin Pines Mall. It was always Lone Pine Mall.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
Here's some Back To The Future trivia for everybody. Don't look it up, because now with the internet, there's like websites dedicated to this. But when I figured it out in the early 90's just by watching these three movies on VHS, I thought it was a big deal and would commonly ask this of BTTF fans.
The question.....
At what I estimate to be between 3pm and 5pm on November 12, 1955 (for reference, it'd be the scene in Part 2 where Old Biff gives Young Biff the Sports Almanac), how many DeLorean time machines are there in Hill Valley?
Hmmm, 4? I am thinking cave, old Biff, present Marty and past Marty.
Edit: maybe 5 if I consider Doc's original, but I'm getting confused.
Yep! No need for the edit, you got it the first time. A lot of people forget the one in the cave because it hadn't happened yet in the film sequence, but in the timeline, it's the first one that's there.
This is a bit tricky, because the one in the cave doesn't appear until Doc is struck by lightning, so I don't think it's possible to have the one in the cave put there by the Doc Brown who was transported back to 1885 and the "1985" Doc Brown who is in 1955 at the same time. I think the answer should be 3. One stationed in 1955 Doc Brown's lab. One with old Biff. One with 1985 Doc Brown.
You're not thinking 4th dimensionally! Or maybe you are.
I think there's two schools of thought: single timeline and cause/effect (multiple timelines). I'm going by single timeline and you're going by cause/effect. In cause/effect like you're saying, the DeLorean in the cave just appears out of thin air after Doc is struck by lightning. And him getting struck by lightning sets into motion events such as Marty being delivered the letter from 1885, and discovering the car in the cave the following day.
In single timeline, it all goes chronologically. So the very first thing to happen in the timeline is Doc arrives in 1885. Then there's the events of BTTF3 that happen in 1885, and so on and so forth. Under that premise, the car has been buried since 1885. So when I'm watching the first movie and Marty is playing Johnny B. Goode, I'm picturing BTTF2 Marty climbing on the scaffold above, because I'm going off of one single timeline. Cause/effect has multiple timelines that change. So Marty playing guitar without another Marty above is one timeline, then the events of BTTF2 (cause) lead to there being a new timeline with a second Marty (effect).
Now, my single timeline theory gets challenged by alternate timelines like the alternate 1985. But I argue that never even happened because that would be a reality set in motion by young Biff becoming rich with the almanac, but in the single timeline, Marty gets it back and burns it.
I just think the single timeline is more fun to think about after you've seen these movies a millions time, The idea of the cave DeLorean appearing out of thin air following Doc being struck by lightning, while feasible I guess (matchbooks and newspaper articles change due to cause/effect), just isn't how I see it. To me, there was never a Twin Pines Mall. It was always Lone Pine Mall.
I want to premise my response is saying I love this discussion and I am a BTTF nerd! Really this is getting heavy.
So I'm trying to think back in BTTF 2 when they end up in the alternative 1985 after old Biff gave the book to himself. Even though Biff went back and gave the book to himself in 1955, the surroundings in 2015 did not change at all. Your point about multiple timelines makes a lot of sense. This is almost taking on a "Lost" type of feel now if we think of alternate dimensions. I love this thought experiment so much!
I love it too. That’s why I always liked part 2 the best. The amount of time travel and pseudo science is so fun. As for 2015 not changing. I guess that would fall under the single timeline premise where young Biff gets the book at 4pm or so, and loses by 11pm or so. So he never actually gets to place a bet, and so the alternate 1985 never actually happens. So I guess only Doc and Marty, as the time travelers, would have any recollection of the alternate 1985.
I am actually rewatching Lost now. I hadn’t seen it since it originally aired. I just started season 3. There was a lot I had forgotten.
Is it good the second time around or I should say after this long? I was watched this show all the way thru 3 times (last re-watch was 2013 ) . My wife and I were talking about the idea of re-watching it but I question the long seasons ( 26 episodes in season 1 ) with the way TV has transformed with 10 episode seasons. Does it feel like a lot of filler or still a great time?
That said to me the last five episodes of season 3 and forward are the best of lost and yes I still loved the last season of it.
We watched it a few years ago because my fiancé had never seen it. Season 1 absolutely holds up. Season 2 dragged a bit IIRC but most all of the good stuff throughout was still good. The final season was better than I remembered it.
I am actually rewatching Lost now. I hadn’t seen it since it originally aired. I just started season 3. There was a lot I had forgotten.
Is it good the second time around or I should say after this long? I was watched this show all the way thru 3 times (last re-watch was 2013 ) . My wife and I were talking about the idea of re-watching it but I question the long seasons ( 26 episodes in season 1 ) with the way TV has transformed with 10 episode seasons. Does it feel like a lot of filler or still a great time?
That said to me the last five episodes of season 3 and forward are the best of lost and yes I still loved the last season of it.
Season 3 was great and heartbreaking. That's the Charlie season, right? I too enjoyed it until the end.
I am actually rewatching Lost now. I hadn’t seen it since it originally aired. I just started season 3. There was a lot I had forgotten.
Is it good the second time around or I should say after this long? I was watched this show all the way thru 3 times (last re-watch was 2013 ) . My wife and I were talking about the idea of re-watching it but I question the long seasons ( 26 episodes in season 1 ) with the way TV has transformed with 10 episode seasons. Does it feel like a lot of filler or still a great time?
That said to me the last five episodes of season 3 and forward are the best of lost and yes I still loved the last season of it.
I am enjoying it the second time around. The seasons are long. However, I am not a binge watcher of anything. I like to stretch it out. So I watch 1 or at the most 2 episodes a day. I have been mainly watching while I eat lunch (I work at home). So, it will take me a few months to get through it all, which I like.
SPOILERS AHEAD
Since I haven’t seen it in so long it is almost like watching a fresh show. I know some heartbreaking deaths are coming up and I may have to skip those or fast forward through. I remembered Boone but I had forgotten what happened to Shannon, Libby, and Ana Lucia. So those snuck up on me. I remember liking the 1970s episodes so looking forward to getting to that point.
I am actually rewatching Lost now. I hadn’t seen it since it originally aired. I just started season 3. There was a lot I had forgotten.
Is it good the second time around or I should say after this long? I was watched this show all the way thru 3 times (last re-watch was 2013 ) . My wife and I were talking about the idea of re-watching it but I question the long seasons ( 26 episodes in season 1 ) with the way TV has transformed with 10 episode seasons. Does it feel like a lot of filler or still a great time?
That said to me the last five episodes of season 3 and forward are the best of lost and yes I still loved the last season of it.
Season 3 was great and heartbreaking. That's the Charlie season, right? I too enjoyed it until the end.
Yup " NOT PENNEYS BOAT" just got chills just writing that.
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Lost
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Is it good the second time around or I should say after this long? I was watched this show all the way thru 3 times (last re-watch was 2013 ) . My wife and I were talking about the idea of re-watching it but I question the long seasons ( 26 episodes in season 1 ) with the way TV has transformed with 10 episode seasons. Does it feel like a lot of filler or still a great time?
That said to me the last five episodes of season 3 and forward are the best of lost and yes I still loved the last season of it.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Yup " NOT PENNEYS BOAT" just got chills just writing that.