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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,357


      
    Washington CNN  — 

    Former Trump adviser Stephen Miller testified on Tuesday to a federal grand jury in Washington, DC, as part of the January 6, 2021, investigation, CNN has learned, making him the first known witness to testify since the Justice Department appointed a special counsel to oversee the criminal investigations around the former president.

    Miller was at the federal courthouse in downtown Washington for several hours throughout Tuesday, according to a person familiar with the investigation. January 6 lead prosecutor Thomas Windom was spotted at the same federal courthouse on Tuesday.

    Windom is expected to join the newly created Special Counsel’s Office led by longtime public corruption prosecutor Jack Smith and will continue leading the investigation into former President Donald Trump’s role in efforts to impede the transfer of power following the 2020 election.


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    DOJ subpoenas election officials in states Trump disputed
    By SCOTT BAUER and JILL COLVIN
    2 hours ago

    MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Special counsel Jack Smith has subpoenaed local election officials in Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona and Pennsylvania, asking for communications with or involving former President Donald Trump, his 2020 campaign aides and a list of allies involved in his efforts to try to overturn the results of the election.

    The requests, issued to Milwaukee and Dane counties in Wisconsin; Wayne County, Michigan; Maricopa County, Arizona; and Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, are the first known subpoenas by Smith, who was named special counsel last month by Attorney General Merrick Garland.

    Smith is overseeing the Justice Department’s investigation into the presence of classified documents at Trump’s Florida estate as well as key aspects of a separate probe involving the violent storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and Trump's frantic efforts to remain in power.

    The subpoenas, some of which were first reported by The Washington Post, are the clearest indication yet that Smith’s work will include an examination of the fake electors that were part of Trump’s efforts to subvert the election count and certification. All of the states where requests were sent are states that Trump and his allies targeted as they tried to overturn the democratic vote.

    In Pennsylvania, for instance, Trump’s campaign sued unsuccessfully in court to try to overturn President Joe Biden's victory, and his allies organized a Trump slate of electors to send to Congress. Trump and his allies also repeatedly contacted top Republican lawmakers, at times asking about using the GOP-controlled legislature to give lawmakers the power to overturn the election. They refused.

    The subpoenas, two of which were obtained by The Associated Press, request “any and all communications in any form” between June 1, 2020, and Jan. 20, 2021, “to, from, or involving” Trump, his campaign, lawyers and aides, including but not limited to former campaign officials like Bill Stepien and Justin Clark and lawyers John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn, Sidney Powell and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

    In Wisconsin, Milwaukee County Clerk George Christenson said he received a subpoena on Monday and is working with the county’s attorney to comply with the request as soon as possible.

    “I don’t see any issues with it,” he said. “Many of those names aren’t familiar to me, so I don't know how many of those individuals did reach out to us. For example, I don’t recall receiving anything from Rudy Giuliani. I think I would have remembered that. But who knows.”

    Christenson said he hoped the documents would help with the investigation, but he didn’t expect to turn over anything that hasn’t already been made public.

    “I don’t expect to find any smoking gun,” Christenson said.

    Dane County Clerk Scott McDonell said he received a similar subpoena on Dec. 1, asking for communications he had with “the gang of people you would sort of expect.”

    McDonell said the only person on the list that his office had interaction with was Jim Troupis, Trump’s Wisconsin-based attorney. Trump ordered a recount of ballots cast in Milwaukee and Dane counties, the two largest Democratic counties in Wisconsin, following the 2020 election. Troupis spearheaded the legal effort not to count tens of thousands of ballots cast absentee in that election, including his own.

    McDonell said he didn’t expect his response to the subpoena to reveal anything that “hasn’t been covered in the past.”

    “I don’t have any stories of Trump calling me at dinner like the other guys,” McDonell said.

    In Michigan, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson confirmed that Wayne County had received a subpoena from Smith but did not provide additional information on what it was seeking.

    “We welcome and support the work of any law enforcement agency working to ensure full accountability for efforts to illegally overturn the fair and accurate results of Michigan’s 2020 election,” Benson said in a statement sent to The Associated Press.

    Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Michigan centered on Detroit’s convention hall, which is located in Wayne County. Trump falsely claimed poll workers there “were duplicating ballots,” and an unsuccessful lawsuit by his campaign on Election Day forced election workers to temporarily halt the tallying of votes in the state’s largest city.

    Another lawsuit was filed by several attorneys, including Trump allies Powell and L. Lin Wood, after the 2020 election on behalf of six Republican voters who wanted a federal judge to decertify Michigan’s results and impound voting machines. The judge declined, calling the request “stunning in its scope and breathtaking in its reach.”

    Trump and his allies also focused on voting machines in Antrim County, which is located just north of Detroit. Republican attorney general candidate Matthew DePerno, who lost to Democratic incumbent Dana Nessel in the 2022 midterms, sued Antrim County, claiming voting machines there recorded votes for Trump as being for Biden. A Michigan special prosecutor is currently reviewing whether to criminally charge DePerno and others for attempting to gain access to voting machines after that election.

    Angela Benander, a spokesperson for the Michigan Department of State, said the department wasn't aware of any other counties being issued subpoenas from Smith.

    In Arizona, Maricopa County also received a subpoena and will comply, said county spokesperson Fields Moseley.

    The county, which includes the Phoenix area and more than 60% of Arizona voters, had been a centerpiece of Trump’s efforts to overturn the election and cast doubt on the results.

    Trump allies tried to pressure Republicans on the county board of supervisors not to certify his loss in 2020, and when they did so, continued trying to reach them as Congress prepared to tally the electoral votes on Jan. 6. Clint Hickman, then the chairman of the board, dodged calls from the White House operator, who left voicemails saying the president was trying to reach him.

    In Pennsylvania, Allegheny County, the state’s second-most populous and home to Pittsburgh, received a subpoena as well, a spokesperson confirmed.

    A Justice Department spokesperson declined to comment Tuesday.

    In addition to the DOJ, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has also been investigating whether Trump and his allies illegally tried to interfere in the 2020 election in Georgia. ___

    Colvin reported from New York. Associated Press writers Joey Cappelletti in Lansing, Michigan, Jonathan J. Cooper in Phoenix, Marc Levy in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and Eric Tucker in Washington contributed to this report.


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    Garland appoints special counsel to investigate Biden docs
    By ZEKE MILLER and ERIC TUCKER
    27 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday appointed a special counsel to investigate the presence of documents with classified markings found at President Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, and at an office in Washington.

    The announcement followed Biden's acknowledgement Thursday morning that a document with classified markings from his time as vice president was found in his personal library, along with other classified documents found in his garage. Garland said Biden's lawyers informed the Justice Department Thursday morning of the discovery of a classified document at Biden's home, after FBI agents first retrieved other documents from the garage in December. It was disclosed on Monday that sensitive documents were found at the office of his former institute in Washington.

    Robert Hur, the former Trump-appointed U.S. attorney in Maryland, will lead the investigation, taking over from the top Justice Department prosecutor in Chicago, John Lausch, who was earlier assigned by the department to investigate the matter and who recommended to Garland last week that a special counsel be appointed. Hur is to begin his work soon.

    “The extraordinary circumstances here require the appointment of a special counsel for this matter,” Garland said, adding that Hur is authorized to investigate whether any person or entity violated the law.

    “This appointment underscores for the public the department’s commitment to both independence and accountability in particularly sensitive matters, and to making decisions indisputably guided only by the facts and the law,” Garland said.

    Biden told reporters at the White House that he was “cooperating fully and completely” with a Justice Department investigation into how classified information and government records were stored.

    “We have cooperated closely with the Justice Department throughout its review, and we will continue that cooperation with the special counsel,” said Richard Sauber, himself a special counsel to the president. "We are confident that a thorough review will show that these documents were inadvertently misplaced, and the president and his lawyers acted promptly upon discovery of this mistake.”

    Biden's lawyers found the first set of documents in a locked closet in the offices of the Biden Penn Center in Washington on Nov. 2, just before the midterm elections, but publicly revealed that development only on Monday.

    Sauber said that after Biden's personal lawyers found the initial documents, they examined other locations where records might have been shipped after Biden left the vice presidency in 2017.

    Biden did not say when the latest documents were found at his home, only that his lawyers’ review of potential storage locations was completed Wednesday night.

    Sauber said a “small number” with classified markings were found in a storage space in Biden's garage in Wilmington, with one document being located in an adjacent room. Biden later revealed that the other location was his personal library.

    Garland said Biden attorneys located documents in the Wilmington garage on Dec. 20 and that Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took custody of them shortly thereafter. The Justice Department was informed only on Thursday of the latest found by Biden’s lawyers.

    The appointment of yet another special counsel to investigate the handling of classified documents is a remarkable turn of events, legally and politically, for a Justice Department that has spent months looking into the retention by Donald Trump of more than 300 documents with classification markings found at the former president’s Florida estate.

    Though the situations are factually and legally different, the discovery of classified documents at two separate locations tied to Biden — as well as the appointment of a new special counsel — would almost certainly complicate any prosecution that the department might bring against Trump.

    “I will conduct the assigned investigation with fair, impartial and dispassionate judgment," he said in a statement after his appointment. "I intend to follow the facts swiftly and thoroughly, without fear or favor and will honor the trust placed in me to perform this service.”

    New House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, a California Republican, said of the latest news: “I think Congress has to investigate this."

    “Here’s an individual that sat on ‘60 Minutes’ that was so concerned about President Trump’s documents locked in behind, and now we find that this is a vice president keeping it for years out in the open in different locations.”

    Contradicting several fellow Republicans, he said, “We don't think there needs to be a special prosecutor.”

    The top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee has requested that intelligence agencies conduct a “damage assessment” of potentially classified documents. Ohio Rep. Mike Turner on Thursday also requested briefings from Garland and the director of national intelligence, Avril Haines, on their reviews by Jan. 26.

    “The presence of classified information at these separate locations could implicate the President in the mishandling, potential misuse, and exposure of classified information," Turner wrote the officials.

    The revelation that additional classified documents were uncovered by Biden’s team came hours after White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre dodged questions about Biden’s handling of classified information and the West Wing’s management of the discovery.

    She had said Wednesday that the White House was committed to handling the matter in the “right way,” pointing to Biden’s personal attorneys’ immediate notification of the National Archives.

    But she refused to say when Biden himself had been briefed, whether there were any more classified documents potentially located at other unauthorized locations, and why the White House waited more than two months to reveal the discovery of the initial batch of documents.

    Biden has said he was “surprised to learn that there are any government records that were taken there to that office” but his lawyers “did what they should have done” when they immediately called the National Archives.

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    Associated Press writers Nomaan Merchant and Kevin Freking contributed to this report.

     

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    Garland appoints special counsel to investigate Biden docs
    By ZEKE MILLER and ERIC TUCKER
    27 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday appointed a special counsel to investigate the presence of documents with classified markings found at President Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, and at an office in Washington.

    The announcement followed Biden's acknowledgement Thursday morning that a document with classified markings from his time as vice president was found in his personal library, along with other classified documents found in his garage. Garland said Biden's lawyers informed the Justice Department Thursday morning of the discovery of a classified document at Biden's home, after FBI agents first retrieved other documents from the garage in December. It was disclosed on Monday that sensitive documents were found at the office of his former institute in Washington.

    Robert Hur, the former Trump-appointed U.S. attorney in Maryland, will lead the investigation, taking over from the top Justice Department prosecutor in Chicago, John Lausch, who was earlier assigned by the department to investigate the matter and who recommended to Garland last week that a special counsel be appointed. Hur is to begin his work soon.

    “The extraordinary circumstances here require the appointment of a special counsel for this matter,” Garland said, adding that Hur is authorized to investigate whether any person or entity violated the law.

    “This appointment underscores for the public the department’s commitment to both independence and accountability in particularly sensitive matters, and to making decisions indisputably guided only by the facts and the law,” Garland said.

    Biden told reporters at the White House that he was “cooperating fully and completely” with a Justice Department investigation into how classified information and government records were stored.

    “We have cooperated closely with the Justice Department throughout its review, and we will continue that cooperation with the special counsel,” said Richard Sauber, himself a special counsel to the president. "We are confident that a thorough review will show that these documents were inadvertently misplaced, and the president and his lawyers acted promptly upon discovery of this mistake.”

    Biden's lawyers found the first set of documents in a locked closet in the offices of the Biden Penn Center in Washington on Nov. 2, just before the midterm elections, but publicly revealed that development only on Monday.

    Sauber said that after Biden's personal lawyers found the initial documents, they examined other locations where records might have been shipped after Biden left the vice presidency in 2017.

    Biden did not say when the latest documents were found at his home, only that his lawyers’ review of potential storage locations was completed Wednesday night.

    Sauber said a “small number” with classified markings were found in a storage space in Biden's garage in Wilmington, with one document being located in an adjacent room. Biden later revealed that the other location was his personal library.

    Garland said Biden attorneys located documents in the Wilmington garage on Dec. 20 and that Federal Bureau of Investigation agents took custody of them shortly thereafter. The Justice Department was informed only on Thursday of the latest found by Biden’s lawyers.

    The appointment of yet another special counsel to investigate the handling of classified documents is a remarkable turn of events, legally and politically, for a Justice Department that has spent months looking into the retention by Donald Trump of more than 300 documents with classification markings found at the former president’s Florida estate.

    Though the situations are factually and legally different, the discovery of classified documents at two separate locations tied to Biden — as well as the appointment of a new special counsel — would almost certainly complicate any prosecution that the department might bring against Trump.

    “I will conduct the assigned investigation with fair, impartial and dispassionate judgment," he said in a statement after his appointment. "I intend to follow the facts swiftly and thoroughly, without fear or favor and will honor the trust placed in me to perform this service.”

    New House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, a California Republican, said of the latest news: “I think Congress has to investigate this."

    “Here’s an individual that sat on ‘60 Minutes’ that was so concerned about President Trump’s documents locked in behind, and now we find that this is a vice president keeping it for years out in the open in different locations.”

    Contradicting several fellow Republicans, he said, “We don't think there needs to be a special prosecutor.”

    The top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee has requested that intelligence agencies conduct a “damage assessment” of potentially classified documents. Ohio Rep. Mike Turner on Thursday also requested briefings from Garland and the director of national intelligence, Avril Haines, on their reviews by Jan. 26.

    “The presence of classified information at these separate locations could implicate the President in the mishandling, potential misuse, and exposure of classified information," Turner wrote the officials.

    The revelation that additional classified documents were uncovered by Biden’s team came hours after White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre dodged questions about Biden’s handling of classified information and the West Wing’s management of the discovery.

    She had said Wednesday that the White House was committed to handling the matter in the “right way,” pointing to Biden’s personal attorneys’ immediate notification of the National Archives.

    But she refused to say when Biden himself had been briefed, whether there were any more classified documents potentially located at other unauthorized locations, and why the White House waited more than two months to reveal the discovery of the initial batch of documents.

    Biden has said he was “surprised to learn that there are any government records that were taken there to that office” but his lawyers “did what they should have done” when they immediately called the National Archives.

    ___

    Associated Press writers Nomaan Merchant and Kevin Freking contributed to this report.

     

    Doesn't matter. Brandon has super duper impunity and immunity and the docs are his anyway. Case closed.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,275
    so let me get this straight. biden has docs and 4 days later special prosecutor and likely impeachment.

    trump has hundreds of docs that he knowingly kept and even hid. open and shut case, and nobody is being held accountable.

    gotcha.
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    put this here as its not said whom is investigating. DOJ itself or Smith as part of Jan 6.....


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    JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
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    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 

    of that number, how many were sent back? whats the net migration gain here?

    for as bad a shape as some believe the US is right now, why do you think so many seek to be here?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,275
    it is not illegal to seek asylum
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    it is not illegal to seek asylum

    right. that is a state dept policy no one on the gop side has changed when opportunity arose to do so.........
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,275
    mickeyrat said:
    it is not illegal to seek asylum

    right. that is a state dept policy no one on the gop side has changed when opportunity arose to do so.........
    why would they change it when it is basically the only thing they might be able to run on in the south to keep holding on to state governments?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,275
    here they are wanting to end birthright citizenship, as if that is any solution to the issue lol.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,982
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Do you know who’s responsible for immigration reform and law? Congress, specifically the house via legislation but more importantly funding. And who controls the house? Right. Ronny Rayguns was the last POTUS to sign an immigration bill. In 19 fucking 86.

    Im guessing this is one of your top five issues. What is your candidate(s)/party’s proposal for immigration reform. Be specific.
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    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Do you know who’s responsible for immigration reform and law? Congress, specifically the house via legislation but more importantly funding. And who controls the house? Right. Ronny Rayguns was the last POTUS to sign an immigration bill. In 19 fucking 86.

    Im guessing this is one of your top five issues. What is your candidate(s)/party’s proposal for immigration reform. Be specific.
    there isn't one. if we solve the immigration issue the gop has literally nothing to run on. seriously. they complain about it but do nothing when they have the chance.

    this is like democrats giving medicare for all and then they have one less thing to campaign on.
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    For the last 20 years I have lived in New Mexico or Texas, the way some of the people that have never set foot in the southwest talk, you'd think we were being overrun with crime.  However, I have yet to see that.  What I have seen is some good people that I have worked with that appreciate this country and being here much more than some so called patriots that were born here and claim to love this country.  Oh and many actually work harder than some of the aforementioned entitled patriots...
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    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Has an immigrant taken your job? Or jobs of Americans last time I checked I haven’t seen milky white kids cutting lawns or waiting on tables or picking fucking cucumbers! And if an immigrant has taken you job you’ve done a shitty job at what your doing for income! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Has an immigrant taken your job? Or jobs of Americans last time I checked I haven’t seen milky white kids cutting lawns or waiting on tables or picking fucking cucumbers! And if an immigrant has taken you job you’ve done a shitty job at what your doing for income! 
    How many migrants in America are sleeping on the streets because they have nowhere to go? We aren't ready to take care of millions of migrants. Many of these migrants are suffering here and none of you seem concerned. You only want to be correct with your talking points. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,982
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Has an immigrant taken your job? Or jobs of Americans last time I checked I haven’t seen milky white kids cutting lawns or waiting on tables or picking fucking cucumbers! And if an immigrant has taken you job you’ve done a shitty job at what your doing for income! 
    How many migrants in America are sleeping on the streets because they have nowhere to go? We aren't ready to take care of millions of migrants. Many of these migrants are suffering here and none of you seem concerned. You only want to be correct with your talking points. 
    How many migrants are sleeping on the street. Throw some stats at us.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,982
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Has an immigrant taken your job? Or jobs of Americans last time I checked I haven’t seen milky white kids cutting lawns or waiting on tables or picking fucking cucumbers! And if an immigrant has taken you job you’ve done a shitty job at what your doing for income! 
    How many migrants in America are sleeping on the streets because they have nowhere to go? We aren't ready to take care of millions of migrants. Many of these migrants are suffering here and none of you seem concerned. You only want to be correct with your talking points. 
    Less likely to be homeless than native born.

    Abstract

    Objectives: This study examines rates of lifetime adult homelessness among foreign-born adults in the United States and how they differ from native-born adults.

    Study design: Cross-sectional data from a nationally representative US sample were analyzed.

    Methods: A sample of 29,896 native-born (weighted 84.1%) and 6404 foreign-born (weighted 16.0%) US adults participating in the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions-III were compared on rates of homelessness, controlling for sociodemographic characteristics, mental and substance-use disorders, health insurance, and use of welfare.

    Results: There was no significant difference in rates of lifetime adult homelessness between foreign-born adults and native-born adults (1.0% vs 1.7%). Foreign-born participants were less likely to have various mental and substance-use disorders, less likely to receive welfare, and less likely to have any lifetime incarceration. The number of years foreign-born adults lived in the United States was significantly associated with risk for homelessness.

    Conclusions: These findings suggest the 'healthy immigrant effect' applies to the mental health and social functioning of US immigrants but may not necessarily apply to homelessness. Long-standing immigration procedures requiring mental health and psychosocial evaluations may contribute to selection effects.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30739834/


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    JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Has an immigrant taken your job? Or jobs of Americans last time I checked I haven’t seen milky white kids cutting lawns or waiting on tables or picking fucking cucumbers! And if an immigrant has taken you job you’ve done a shitty job at what your doing for income! 
    How many migrants in America are sleeping on the streets because they have nowhere to go? We aren't ready to take care of millions of migrants. Many of these migrants are suffering here and none of you seem concerned. You only want to be correct with your talking points. 
    Less likely to be homeless than native born.

    Abstract

    Objectives: This study examines rates of lifetime adult homelessness among foreign-born adults in the United States and how they differ from native-born adults.

    Study design: Cross-sectional data from a nationally representative US sample were analyzed.

    Methods: A sample of 29,896 native-born (weighted 84.1%) and 6404 foreign-born (weighted 16.0%) US adults participating in the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions-III were compared on rates of homelessness, controlling for sociodemographic characteristics, mental and substance-use disorders, health insurance, and use of welfare.

    Results: There was no significant difference in rates of lifetime adult homelessness between foreign-born adults and native-born adults (1.0% vs 1.7%). Foreign-born participants were less likely to have various mental and substance-use disorders, less likely to receive welfare, and less likely to have any lifetime incarceration. The number of years foreign-born adults lived in the United States was significantly associated with risk for homelessness.

    Conclusions: These findings suggest the 'healthy immigrant effect' applies to the mental health and social functioning of US immigrants but may not necessarily apply to homelessness. Long-standing immigration procedures requiring mental health and psychosocial evaluations may contribute to selection effects.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30739834/


    Can someone please explain to me how this is sustainable? 

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jul/18/health-department-released-thousands-of-illegal-im/

    The government is releasing thousands of illegal immigrant children with latent tuberculosis infections into American communities without assurances of treatment.

    Nearly 2,500 children with latent infections were released into 44 states over the past year, according to a court-ordered report on how the Health and Human Services Department is treating the children.

    About 126,000 total were released, indicating an infection rate of 1 in 50 migrant children.

    The government says it can’t treat the children because they are in custody for a short time and treatment requires three to nine months. HHS releases infected children to sponsors and notifies local health authorities in the hope that they can arrange for treatment before the latent infection becomes active.

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    JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Has an immigrant taken your job? Or jobs of Americans last time I checked I haven’t seen milky white kids cutting lawns or waiting on tables or picking fucking cucumbers! And if an immigrant has taken you job you’ve done a shitty job at what your doing for income! 
    How many migrants in America are sleeping on the streets because they have nowhere to go? We aren't ready to take care of millions of migrants. Many of these migrants are suffering here and none of you seem concerned. You only want to be correct with your talking points. 
    How many migrants are sleeping on the street. Throw some stats at us.
    More than 2,000 in El Paso, https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/migrants-el-pasos-street-influx/

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-migrants-sleep-on-sidewalk-after-refusing-transfers-brooklyn-shelter-20230130-iky6hkru7va3fgee5b6jwenpoa-story.html

    Don't be ignorant. This is a real issue happening in America and you don't care. 
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    JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    JB16057 said:
    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    "may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out it's official duties"

    If the federal government did their fucking job, Texas wouldn't have to stop illegal aliens from entering their state. 8 million migrants since Biden took office. That is fucking insane and unsustainable!!! 
    Has an immigrant taken your job? Or jobs of Americans last time I checked I haven’t seen milky white kids cutting lawns or waiting on tables or picking fucking cucumbers! And if an immigrant has taken you job you’ve done a shitty job at what your doing for income! 
    How many migrants in America are sleeping on the streets because they have nowhere to go? We aren't ready to take care of millions of migrants. Many of these migrants are suffering here and none of you seem concerned. You only want to be correct with your talking points. 
    Less likely to be homeless than native born.

    Abstract

    Objectives: This study examines rates of lifetime adult homelessness among foreign-born adults in the United States and how they differ from native-born adults.

    Study design: Cross-sectional data from a nationally representative US sample were analyzed.

    Methods: A sample of 29,896 native-born (weighted 84.1%) and 6404 foreign-born (weighted 16.0%) US adults participating in the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions-III were compared on rates of homelessness, controlling for sociodemographic characteristics, mental and substance-use disorders, health insurance, and use of welfare.

    Results: There was no significant difference in rates of lifetime adult homelessness between foreign-born adults and native-born adults (1.0% vs 1.7%). Foreign-born participants were less likely to have various mental and substance-use disorders, less likely to receive welfare, and less likely to have any lifetime incarceration. The number of years foreign-born adults lived in the United States was significantly associated with risk for homelessness.

    Conclusions: These findings suggest the 'healthy immigrant effect' applies to the mental health and social functioning of US immigrants but may not necessarily apply to homelessness. Long-standing immigration procedures requiring mental health and psychosocial evaluations may contribute to selection effects.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30739834/


    That's a cute study you have there from 2017. We've had millions more come here since then. That study is no longer relevant. 
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