Seaspiracy ... A Netflix Doc on over fishing...

Meltdown99

I felt this was worthy of its own thread.  Worth the watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5CXN7soQg

The Juggler

Meltdown99 said:

I felt this was worthy of its own thread.  Worth the watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5CXN7soQg

why?

tempo_n_groove

I'll say this again as being a person whom actually worked in the industry, Alaska has been successfully for years, made fishing sustainable.  They literally brought the king crab back from almost extinction numbers.  They learned their lesson.

If the rest of the world would learn from them numbers won't dwindle. 

Meltdown99

tempo_n_groove said:

I'll say this again as being a person whom actually worked in the industry, Alaska has been successfully for years, made fishing sustainable.  They literally brought the king crab back from almost extinction numbers.  They learned their lesson.

If the rest of the world would learn from them numbers won't dwindle. 

You’d have watch it.  Over fishing is one aspect.  Another aspect is the damage caused by fishing gear...it’s quite good.

jpgoegel

dont have netflix but it sounds similar to this book, which is pretty good if you run across it

https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674283961

brianlux

Being no longer able to stream, I'll try to find it on Netflix or on DVD. 

I really have to be in the mood to accept getting depressed when watching this kind of documentary any more (with a few exceptions- Sea Shepherd Conservation Society films tend to stoke the fires of my activist nature more than depress me).  My sister turned me on the the work of Jacques-Yves Cousteau in the mid 1970's.  As far back as that, Cousteau was warning us that if we don't stop killing off sea life and polluting the oceans, we put our own and many other species lives at risk.  Now, all these years later, we are at a critical stage and time and action is essential in avoiding catastrophe.  Some are saying it's already too late.  True or not, I don't find that kind of thinking constructive, so I hope that is not the message of the film.

tempo_n_groove

jpgoegel said:

dont have netflix but it sounds similar to this book, which is pretty good if you run across it

https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674283961

You can also read the book "Four Fish".  He maps out 4 fish that don't have free reign in numbers anymore but again, forgets to see the positivity in what Alaska has been doing for years.

tempo_n_groove

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'll say this again as being a person whom actually worked in the industry, Alaska has been successfully for years, made fishing sustainable.  They literally brought the king crab back from almost extinction numbers.  They learned their lesson.

If the rest of the world would learn from them numbers won't dwindle. 

You’d have watch it.  Over fishing is one aspect.  Another aspect is the damage caused by fishing gear...it’s quite good.

Some fishing gear if lost at sea poses a problem.  Another is the doors of a trawler/FV dragging the sea bottom.  Those are two I know of.

I'll try and give it a watch this weekend.

dankind

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'll say this again as being a person whom actually worked in the industry, Alaska has been successfully for years, made fishing sustainable.  They literally brought the king crab back from almost extinction numbers.  They learned their lesson.

If the rest of the world would learn from them numbers won't dwindle. 

You’d have watch it.  Over fishing is one aspect.  Another aspect is the damage caused by fishing gear...it’s quite good.

Some fishing gear if lost at sea poses a problem.  Another is the doors of a trawler/FV dragging the sea bottom.  Those are two I know of.

I'll try and give it a watch this weekend.

I did the Alaska fishing thing for a summer. I figured it was better than being homeless. Thing is, I never got paid at the end. I went back to the tobacco farms the summer after. Terrible work but at least I got paid for it.

tempo_n_groove

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'll say this again as being a person whom actually worked in the industry, Alaska has been successfully for years, made fishing sustainable.  They literally brought the king crab back from almost extinction numbers.  They learned their lesson.

If the rest of the world would learn from them numbers won't dwindle. 

You’d have watch it.  Over fishing is one aspect.  Another aspect is the damage caused by fishing gear...it’s quite good.

Some fishing gear if lost at sea poses a problem.  Another is the doors of a trawler/FV dragging the sea bottom.  Those are two I know of.

I'll try and give it a watch this weekend.

I did the Alaska fishing thing for a summer. I figured it was better than being homeless. Thing is, I never got paid at the end. I went back to the tobacco farms the summer after. Terrible work but at least I got paid for it.

You busted ass on a boat and didn't get your share or you quit and they bought your plane ticket back?

Everybody makes money during salmon so this is heartbreaking.

dankind

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'll say this again as being a person whom actually worked in the industry, Alaska has been successfully for years, made fishing sustainable.  They literally brought the king crab back from almost extinction numbers.  They learned their lesson.

If the rest of the world would learn from them numbers won't dwindle. 

You’d have watch it.  Over fishing is one aspect.  Another aspect is the damage caused by fishing gear...it’s quite good.

Some fishing gear if lost at sea poses a problem.  Another is the doors of a trawler/FV dragging the sea bottom.  Those are two I know of.

I'll try and give it a watch this weekend.

I did the Alaska fishing thing for a summer. I figured it was better than being homeless. Thing is, I never got paid at the end. I went back to the tobacco farms the summer after. Terrible work but at least I got paid for it.

You busted ass on a boat and didn't get your share or you quit and they bought your plane ticket back?

Everybody makes money during salmon so this is heartbreaking.

They were supposed send a paycheck to my mailbox at school, but it never arrived. I did manage not to be homeless for a summer, so that part was nice. 

tempo_n_groove

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'll say this again as being a person whom actually worked in the industry, Alaska has been successfully for years, made fishing sustainable.  They literally brought the king crab back from almost extinction numbers.  They learned their lesson.

If the rest of the world would learn from them numbers won't dwindle. 

You’d have watch it.  Over fishing is one aspect.  Another aspect is the damage caused by fishing gear...it’s quite good.

Some fishing gear if lost at sea poses a problem.  Another is the doors of a trawler/FV dragging the sea bottom.  Those are two I know of.

I'll try and give it a watch this weekend.

I did the Alaska fishing thing for a summer. I figured it was better than being homeless. Thing is, I never got paid at the end. I went back to the tobacco farms the summer after. Terrible work but at least I got paid for it.

You busted ass on a boat and didn't get your share or you quit and they bought your plane ticket back?

Everybody makes money during salmon so this is heartbreaking.

They were supposed send a paycheck to my mailbox at school, but it never arrived. I did manage not to be homeless for a summer, so that part was nice. 

That is shitty.

oftenreading

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'll say this again as being a person whom actually worked in the industry, Alaska has been successfully for years, made fishing sustainable.  They literally brought the king crab back from almost extinction numbers.  They learned their lesson.

If the rest of the world would learn from them numbers won't dwindle. 

You’d have watch it.  Over fishing is one aspect.  Another aspect is the damage caused by fishing gear...it’s quite good.

Some fishing gear if lost at sea poses a problem.  Another is the doors of a trawler/FV dragging the sea bottom.  Those are two I know of.

I'll try and give it a watch this weekend.

I did the Alaska fishing thing for a summer. I figured it was better than being homeless. Thing is, I never got paid at the end. I went back to the tobacco farms the summer after. Terrible work but at least I got paid for it.

You busted ass on a boat and didn't get your share or you quit and they bought your plane ticket back?

Everybody makes money during salmon so this is heartbreaking.

They were supposed send a paycheck to my mailbox at school, but it never arrived. I did manage not to be homeless for a summer, so that part was nice. 

Three hots and a hammock. 

jpgoegel

tempo_n_groove said:

jpgoegel said:

dont have netflix but it sounds similar to this book, which is pretty good if you run across it

https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674283961

You can also read the book "Four Fish".  He maps out 4 fish that don't have free reign in numbers anymore but again, forgets to see the positivity in what Alaska has been doing for years.

will look it up next library trip, thanks

brianlux

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

He's only partially right w that statement.  We have learned how to harvest and reproduce Salmon in hatcheries where the other species can not.

Halibut is another fish that is heavily regulated in Alaska.  I am sure the rest of the world doesn't go through the measures we do though.

oftenreading

brianlux said:

I’m not really sure that anything he says distinguishes fishing from any other type of hunting. The arguments can be equally applied to terrestrial hunting anywhere. With a few exceptions, the concerns depend more on scale than the animal hunted per se. The alternative is to be against any form of hunting. 

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

He's only partially right w that statement.  We have learned how to harvest and reproduce Salmon in hatcheries where the other species can not.

Halibut is another fish that is heavily regulated in Alaska.  I am sure the rest of the world doesn't go through the measures we do though.

I know you have defending fishing off Alaska many times.  You may be right, but the waters off Alaska only comprise a small percentage of the worlds oceans.  This is a global crisis.

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

I’m not really sure that anything he says distinguishes fishing from any other type of hunting. The arguments can be equally applied to terrestrial hunting anywhere. With a few exceptions, the concerns depend more on scale than the animal hunted per se. The alternative is to be against any form of hunting. 

"I’m not really sure that anything he says distinguishes fishing from any other type of hunting."

Correct.

"The alternative is to be against any form of hunting."

Many of us are, especially when it comes to endangered species, and especially considering the huge over-population of the human species.  Hunting would not be anywhere nearly problematic if over-population was not a problem.     And many people support the hunting of deer because they are over populated.  But, of course, that is because we have eliminated deer's natural predators by hunting or slaughtering those predators, and through our reduction of wildlife habitat and our disruption of migratory patters.

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We can't continue to live out of balance with nature and expect our species to survive.  As we continue our out-of-balance ways, we take ourselves to the brink and kill off huge numbers of species in the process.  We should at least be honest about this because there's just no arguing these truths.

HughFreakingDillon

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

This is not the plaice for that 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

This is not the plaice for that 

I had to google that. LOL

dankind

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

This is not the plaice for that 

I had to google that. LOL

Already he's floundering.

HughFreakingDillon

dankind said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

This is not the plaice for that 

I had to google that. LOL

Already he's floundering.

This hurts my sole. 

dankind

HughFreakingDillon said:

dankind said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

This is not the plaice for that 

I had to google that. LOL

Already he's floundering.

This hurts my sole. 

Cheer up. It was just a fluke.

oftenreading

dankind said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

This is not the plaice for that 

I had to google that. LOL

Already he's floundering.

That’s what I’m herring about it. 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

dankind said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

This is not the plaice for that 

I had to google that. LOL

Already he's floundering.

That’s what I’m herring about it. 

Pollocks!! 

FiveBelow

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

dankind said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I came to this thread.....just for the halibut. 

This is not the plaice for that 

I had to google that. LOL

Already he's floundering.

That’s what I’m herring about it. 

Pollocks!! 

Stop being such a guppy.

oftenreading

You’re a sucker for this 

HughFreakingDillon

I would betta lotta money you guys can't keep this going all week

oftenreading

That’s a pretty crappie bet 

HughFreakingDillon

some of you are cruisin' for a shiner.