POLL - The WEAKEST LINK of Rolling Stone Magazine's Top 10 - FINALS

tbergs · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

I think a lot of people would know "Good only Knows" and "Sloop John B." But basing greatness on a simple hook or being able to hum a tune? That makes an album great? How much of A Love Supreme or Kind of Blue can the average person hum? I can hum some themes from both, but the average Jane or Joe on the street? No way. And without question, those are also truly great albums. I'm a bit surprised at your standard for assessment.

It isn't the basis for greatness, but it's definitely a factor. A big one.
One of the biggest aspects of music (and all art) is it's ability to move people's hearts and lodge in their minds. My reaction to obscure art is to wonder why, if it's so great, have I never heard of it? Why didn't it move the needle enough to reach me?

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

Sloop? when they sing "Let me go home" to a crescendo? I'm waiting for the day?

I will say that yes most people will know Wouldn't it be nice. Music enthusiasts like this.

Classical enthusiasts like JN Hummel and Zelenka, but Beethoven and Bach are the ones that we remember, the names that will last for even more centuries. Popular, memorable melodies that move the hearts of masses of people is the difference.
Sloop John B will not last centuries in the hearts of mankind, quite a few Beatles songs almost certainly will.
Don't get me wrong, popularity isn't everything. Lil' Nas X dominated the charts for a record time, but history will not remember him lol

Since you know who Lil Nas X is, he WILL be remembered. Just like All about that Bass Meagan Trainor is a household name. Some songs withstand the test of time and is the reason I am trying to figure out why Paradise by the Dashboard Light is one of them?

I am talking about generations...centuries... millennia

The most famous and predominantly referenced figures of our culture are white for a reason. That has only recently (the last 50+ years) began to change as the systems of oppression and racism have begun to be challenged and overturned. Just because you don't connect with a certain musician doesn't mean millions of other people won't be humming their tune.

GlowGirl · March 2021

The Beatles, 'Abbey Road'

This was a really hard decision. I love both the Beatles and Bob Dylan. I love the Beatles more, but Abbey Road is not my favorite Beatles album, while Blood on the Tracks is my favorite Dylan album.

rgambs · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

tbergs said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

I think a lot of people would know "Good only Knows" and "Sloop John B." But basing greatness on a simple hook or being able to hum a tune? That makes an album great? How much of A Love Supreme or Kind of Blue can the average person hum? I can hum some themes from both, but the average Jane or Joe on the street? No way. And without question, those are also truly great albums. I'm a bit surprised at your standard for assessment.

It isn't the basis for greatness, but it's definitely a factor. A big one.
One of the biggest aspects of music (and all art) is it's ability to move people's hearts and lodge in their minds. My reaction to obscure art is to wonder why, if it's so great, have I never heard of it? Why didn't it move the needle enough to reach me?

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

Sloop? when they sing "Let me go home" to a crescendo? I'm waiting for the day?

I will say that yes most people will know Wouldn't it be nice. Music enthusiasts like this.

Classical enthusiasts like JN Hummel and Zelenka, but Beethoven and Bach are the ones that we remember, the names that will last for even more centuries. Popular, memorable melodies that move the hearts of masses of people is the difference.
Sloop John B will not last centuries in the hearts of mankind, quite a few Beatles songs almost certainly will.
Don't get me wrong, popularity isn't everything. Lil' Nas X dominated the charts for a record time, but history will not remember him lol

Since you know who Lil Nas X is, he WILL be remembered. Just like All about that Bass Meagan Trainor is a household name. Some songs withstand the test of time and is the reason I am trying to figure out why Paradise by the Dashboard Light is one of them?

I am talking about generations...centuries... millennia

The most famous and predominantly referenced figures of our culture are white for a reason. That has only recently (the last 50+ years) began to change as the systems of oppression and racism have begun to be challenged and overturned. Just because you don't connect with a certain musician doesn't mean millions of other people won't be humming their tune.

Of course! But Lil Nas X isn't going to be one of them lol

tempo_n_groove · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

rgambs said:

tbergs said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

I think a lot of people would know "Good only Knows" and "Sloop John B." But basing greatness on a simple hook or being able to hum a tune? That makes an album great? How much of A Love Supreme or Kind of Blue can the average person hum? I can hum some themes from both, but the average Jane or Joe on the street? No way. And without question, those are also truly great albums. I'm a bit surprised at your standard for assessment.

It isn't the basis for greatness, but it's definitely a factor. A big one.
One of the biggest aspects of music (and all art) is it's ability to move people's hearts and lodge in their minds. My reaction to obscure art is to wonder why, if it's so great, have I never heard of it? Why didn't it move the needle enough to reach me?

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

Sloop? when they sing "Let me go home" to a crescendo? I'm waiting for the day?

I will say that yes most people will know Wouldn't it be nice. Music enthusiasts like this.

Classical enthusiasts like JN Hummel and Zelenka, but Beethoven and Bach are the ones that we remember, the names that will last for even more centuries. Popular, memorable melodies that move the hearts of masses of people is the difference.
Sloop John B will not last centuries in the hearts of mankind, quite a few Beatles songs almost certainly will.
Don't get me wrong, popularity isn't everything. Lil' Nas X dominated the charts for a record time, but history will not remember him lol

Since you know who Lil Nas X is, he WILL be remembered. Just like All about that Bass Meagan Trainor is a household name. Some songs withstand the test of time and is the reason I am trying to figure out why Paradise by the Dashboard Light is one of them?

I am talking about generations...centuries... millennia

The most famous and predominantly referenced figures of our culture are white for a reason. That has only recently (the last 50+ years) began to change as the systems of oppression and racism have begun to be challenged and overturned. Just because you don't connect with a certain musician doesn't mean millions of other people won't be humming their tune.

Of course! But Lil Nas X isn't going to be one of them lol

Imma take my horse to the old town road...
Ima ride until I can't no more.

tempo_n_groove · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

I will proudly play William Hung to anyone whom will listen so posterity continues.

F Me In The Brain · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

I think a lot of people would know "Good only Knows" and "Sloop John B." But basing greatness on a simple hook or being able to hum a tune? That makes an album great? How much of A Love Supreme or Kind of Blue can the average person hum? I can hum some themes from both, but the average Jane or Joe on the street? No way. And without question, those are also truly great albums. I'm a bit surprised at your standard for assessment.

It isn't the basis for greatness, but it's definitely a factor. A big one.
One of the biggest aspects of music (and all art) is it's ability to move people's hearts and lodge in their minds. My reaction to obscure art is to wonder why, if it's so great, have I never heard of it? Why didn't it move the needle enough to reach me?

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

Sloop? when they sing "Let me go home" to a crescendo? I'm waiting for the day?

I will say that yes most people will know Wouldn't it be nice. Music enthusiasts like this.

Classical enthusiasts like JN Hummel and Zelenka, but Beethoven and Bach are the ones that we remember, the names that will last for even more centuries. Popular, memorable melodies that move the hearts of masses of people is the difference.
Sloop John B will not last centuries in the hearts of mankind, quite a few Beatles songs almost certainly will.
Don't get me wrong, popularity isn't everything. Lil' Nas X dominated the charts for a record time, but history will not remember him lol

Dude, you don't chuckle at this? Perhaps because of who I live with (and another who used to live with us) I do hear a lot of the radio hits. This thing is funny as hell and an ear worm. Good hook.

https://youtu.be/w2Ov5jzm3j8

rgambs · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

F Me In The Brain said:

rgambs said:

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

I think a lot of people would know "Good only Knows" and "Sloop John B." But basing greatness on a simple hook or being able to hum a tune? That makes an album great? How much of A Love Supreme or Kind of Blue can the average person hum? I can hum some themes from both, but the average Jane or Joe on the street? No way. And without question, those are also truly great albums. I'm a bit surprised at your standard for assessment.

It isn't the basis for greatness, but it's definitely a factor. A big one.
One of the biggest aspects of music (and all art) is it's ability to move people's hearts and lodge in their minds. My reaction to obscure art is to wonder why, if it's so great, have I never heard of it? Why didn't it move the needle enough to reach me?

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

So I just listened to Pet Sounds all the way through to make sure I was giving it a fair assessment. Only heard most of it once or twice and was never very impressed. Yeah, I stand by that. I don't think it's a bad record, and I get how experimental it was, but I don't think it belongs even in the top ten. The melodies are scattershot, unimpressive, and not at all memorable. Experimenting is fine, but experiment with a melody worthy of experimentation. The only song that stands out is the only one that's still in Beach Boys rotation, Wouldn't It Be Nice. The lyrics were ok, but only in substance and not in style. I didn't catch any clever turns of phrase or metaphors that grabbed me. This may be a great record in it's ambition, but in execution it really seems pretty average.

I really don't understand how anyone could match Pet Sounds against anything after Hard Day's Night from the Beatles, it's just not even a competition. It makes me wonder if it's just classic hating on the beloved? Gotta root for the underdog?

Hearing that the Beach Boys melodies are unimpressive is a first to me...

Are we talking about the same album? lol
I'll bet you'd have to survey 1000 people on the street to find a single one who could hum a tune from Pet Sounds, if you exclude Wouldn't It Be Nice. There isn't a hook to be found.

Sloop? when they sing "Let me go home" to a crescendo? I'm waiting for the day?

I will say that yes most people will know Wouldn't it be nice. Music enthusiasts like this.

Classical enthusiasts like JN Hummel and Zelenka, but Beethoven and Bach are the ones that we remember, the names that will last for even more centuries. Popular, memorable melodies that move the hearts of masses of people is the difference.
Sloop John B will not last centuries in the hearts of mankind, quite a few Beatles songs almost certainly will.
Don't get me wrong, popularity isn't everything. Lil' Nas X dominated the charts for a record time, but history will not remember him lol

Dude, you don't chuckle at this? Perhaps because of who I live with (and another who used to live with us) I do hear a lot of the radio hits. This thing is funny as hell and an ear worm. Good hook.
https://youtu.be/w2Ov5jzm3j8

It definitely has the hook, haha

A little (lot) short on substance though lol

That's what makes greatness, IMO, substance and style together in harmony.

rgambs · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

I just happened across this randomly, the last bit is perfect 😂😂
https://thehardtimes.net/blog/man-doesnt-like-beatles-hes-interesting-god-dont-just-want-fuck-him/

tempo_n_groove · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

rgambs said:

I just happened across this randomly, the last bit is perfect 😂😂
https://thehardtimes.net/blog/man-doesnt-like-beatles-hes-interesting-god-dont-just-want-fuck-him/

hahahahah!!! The related article is great "I lived a week as Ian MacKaye and most people don't know who that is."

hahahahaha!!!

tbergs · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

I think Google is stalking me again. Just linked this article for my reading leisure...

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/10-iconic-albums-that-initially-flopped/

dankind · March 2021

The Beatles, 'Abbey Road'

I’ve still never heard “Old Town Road.” I’ve heard children sing it, I’ve heard snippets of it in commercial usage, but I’ve never actually heard the song all the way through. And I’m OK with that.

Huge respect for Lil Nas X, though.

F Me In The Brain · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

dankind said:

I’ve still never heard “Old Town Road.” I’ve heard children sing it, I’ve heard snippets of it in commercial usage, but I’ve never actually heard the song all the way through. And I’m OK with that.

Huge respect for Lil Nas X, though.

Dude, watch that video ("movie") I posted.

It is no Holiday, but it is funny as shit.

2-feign-reluctance · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

Bye Bob!

Hobbes · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

My heart pumps "...Blue." Difficult task, a vote against Blood...

Pap · March 2021

The Beatles, 'Abbey Road'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmx5sLusykY

MedozK · March 2021

And your winner is ABBEY ROAD. Thanks for playing.

brianlux · March 2021

The Beatles, 'Abbey Road'

MedozK said:

And your winner is ABBEY ROAD. Thanks for playing.

Thanks for doing it! These are always fun. Got anything else up your sleeve?

MedozK · March 2021

brianlux said:

MedozK said:

And your winner is ABBEY ROAD. Thanks for playing.

Thanks for doing it! These are always fun. Got anything else up your sleeve?

Yes, working on it now.

Hobbes · March 2021

Bob Dylan, 'Blood on the Tracks'

MedozK said:

brianlux said:

MedozK said:

And your winner is ABBEY ROAD. Thanks for playing.

Thanks for doing it! These are always fun. Got anything else up your sleeve?

Yes, working on it now.

Awesome! :plus_one:

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