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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,321
    brianlux said:
    My wife watched it with some friends (yes, distanced and masked). She was mildly impressed, the friends were quite impressed. She told me about it when I got home. I told her,

    You know that David Bowie line about "it's lonely in space"? Well, I'm sure it is, but feeling the way I do about spending money on going to the moon or Mars or whatever- that makes it lonely to me down here on earth.

    I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who thinks about all this the way I do.
     

    i hear ya, Brian. I was once where you are. then I was taught about the overwhelming technological benefits that have come out of the space program. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

    I've heard that argument (not that I take it as argumentative) several times before and I'm sure it is sincere, but it always bring to mind the question, "Could not those some technological advancements been developed in pursuit of solutions to the problems, needs, and desires that we face here on earth?"  I have glanced through that list and not found anything that could not have been developed here on earth.  In fact, weren't they all developed here on earth?  Not meaning to be offensive in saying this, but I wonder to what degree is that argument a subconscious  justification for an unnecessary pursuit?
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 8,038
    brianlux said:
    My wife watched it with some friends (yes, distanced and masked). She was mildly impressed, the friends were quite impressed. She told me about it when I got home. I told her,

    You know that David Bowie line about "it's lonely in space"? Well, I'm sure it is, but feeling the way I do about spending money on going to the moon or Mars or whatever- that makes it lonely to me down here on earth.

    I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who thinks about all this the way I do.
     

    i hear ya, Brian. I was once where you are. then I was taught about the overwhelming technological benefits that have come out of the space program. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies
    This and the possibility of discovering something on another planet, or galaxy or anywhere in space that could advance science and our way of living. Exploration of any kind is often criticized because of the immense upfront cost without the assurance of a true measurable benefit.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,532
    they were developed here, of course. but they are called "spinoffs" because these inventions are literal spinoffs from space exploration. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,321
    And I feel compelled to add that look at where we are at:

    Cancer is still a major killer and women are dying disproportionately from breast cancer.
    People dying in Texas because the technology was not available to many people did not provide them adequate heat and clean water.
    Many people have died in the west because our technology created climate change.
    People die every year from weather and fire related causes because we not spent money on improving infrastructure but instead spend billions on space travel.
    There are an estimated 55 million potholes in America causing untold numbers of accidents and breakage of automobile parts.
    Cars still only average 25 miles per gallon (not sure what that is in metric).
    Speaking of metric, the most powerful country in the world has yet to go metric.
    And in an area outside of the small city of Placerville, California and only about 40 miles to the major city of Sacramento, there is only one internet service available and it has difficulty streaming a two minute video.

    But we can send a robot to Mars and receive video and sound transmissions in minutes?  WTF?

    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 8,038
    brianlux said:
    And I feel compelled to add that look at where we are at:

    Cancer is still a major killer and women are dying disproportionately from breast cancer.
    People dying in Texas because the technology was not available to many people did not provide them adequate heat and clean water.
    Many people have died in the west because our technology created climate change.
    People die every year from weather and fire related causes because we not spent money on improving infrastructure but instead spend billions on space travel.
    There are an estimated 55 million potholes in America causing untold numbers of accidents and breakage of automobile parts.
    Cars still only average 25 miles per gallon (not sure what that is in metric).
    Speaking of metric, the most powerful country in the world has yet to go metric.
    And in an area outside of the small city of Placerville, California and only about 40 miles to the major city of Sacramento, there is only one internet service available and it has difficulty streaming a two minute video.

    But we can send a robot to Mars and receive video and sound transmissions in minutes?  WTF?

    Your examples emphasize the failings of free will and the impact of prioritizing the good of some over the good of the whole. That was made very clear over the last four years. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,321
    tbergs said:
    brianlux said:
    And I feel compelled to add that look at where we are at:

    Cancer is still a major killer and women are dying disproportionately from breast cancer.
    People dying in Texas because the technology was not available to many people did not provide them adequate heat and clean water.
    Many people have died in the west because our technology created climate change.
    People die every year from weather and fire related causes because we not spent money on improving infrastructure but instead spend billions on space travel.
    There are an estimated 55 million potholes in America causing untold numbers of accidents and breakage of automobile parts.
    Cars still only average 25 miles per gallon (not sure what that is in metric).
    Speaking of metric, the most powerful country in the world has yet to go metric.
    And in an area outside of the small city of Placerville, California and only about 40 miles to the major city of Sacramento, there is only one internet service available and it has difficulty streaming a two minute video.

    But we can send a robot to Mars and receive video and sound transmissions in minutes?  WTF?

    Your examples emphasize the failings of free will and the impact of prioritizing the good of some over the good of the whole. That was made very clear over the last four years. 

    I wish it was just the last 4 years.
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 24,215
    Most of the arguments against seeking answers in space neglect to take into consideration basic human nature.  We prove ourselves to be a species incapable of preserving the resources here, or much caring about them, regardless of the facts staring us in the collective face.
    We are idiots and we need the smartest among us to save us from ourselves.
    People are not going to reverse the changes we are doing to the earth and I could argue that many of the so called changes contain opposing truths that cause similar amounts of harm to the globe, even if we could get everyone to switch to e-cars, for instance.

    I am not a denier of the harm we do to our planet -- in fact, one of the reasons I believe we must push forward in exploring the unknown is that we might find something to help our species survive in the long run.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,321
    Most of the arguments against seeking answers in space neglect to take into consideration basic human nature.  We prove ourselves to be a species incapable of preserving the resources here, or much caring about them, regardless of the facts staring us in the collective face.
    We are idiots and we need the smartest among us to save us from ourselves.
    People are not going to reverse the changes we are doing to the earth and I could argue that many of the so called changes contain opposing truths that cause similar amounts of harm to the globe, even if we could get everyone to switch to e-cars, for instance.

    I am not a denier of the harm we do to our planet -- in fact, one of the reasons I believe we must push forward in exploring the unknown is that we might find something to help our species survive in the long run.
    "People are not going to reverse the changes we are doing to the earth and I could argue that many of the so called changes contain opposing truths that cause similar amounts of harm to the globe, even if we could get everyone to switch to e-cars, for instance."

    Absolutely true.  The mining required to build batteries for Prius and electric cars for every person of driving age and capability on this planet would wreck absolute havoc on the planet  beyond anything we have seen.  But with a reasonable human population count on earth, that would not be so.


    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,993
    brianlux said:
    Most of the arguments against seeking answers in space neglect to take into consideration basic human nature.  We prove ourselves to be a species incapable of preserving the resources here, or much caring about them, regardless of the facts staring us in the collective face.
    We are idiots and we need the smartest among us to save us from ourselves.
    People are not going to reverse the changes we are doing to the earth and I could argue that many of the so called changes contain opposing truths that cause similar amounts of harm to the globe, even if we could get everyone to switch to e-cars, for instance.

    I am not a denier of the harm we do to our planet -- in fact, one of the reasons I believe we must push forward in exploring the unknown is that we might find something to help our species survive in the long run.
    "People are not going to reverse the changes we are doing to the earth and I could argue that many of the so called changes contain opposing truths that cause similar amounts of harm to the globe, even if we could get everyone to switch to e-cars, for instance."

    Absolutely true.  The mining required to build batteries for Prius and electric cars for every person of driving age and capability on this planet would wreck absolute havoc on the planet  beyond anything we have seen.  But with a reasonable human population count on earth, that would not be so.


    If only we had a carbon tax.
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    That is great. This is my favorite so far:

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,803
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,321
    Mars, landing...
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,321
    edited February 23
    Mars' life...

    Funeral March for the Minimal Man Chris Mars  Mia
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 23,320
    Okay...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 8,038
    edited February 24
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    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,993
    Lasers on mars. That little Martian fellow better watch it!

    https://www.space.com/perseverance-rover-mars-laser-sound-recording
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,187
    Anybody catch 60 minutes this weekend?  Apparently we are going to land on the moon again.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,993
    The helicopter lifted off slightly. Not a “real” helicopter in the sense of flying from home to the office or airport but it’s on a freakin different planet. Crazy.
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