Cancelled!

brianlux

F Me In The Brain said:

Well, this is a cancelled thread and the rapist came up.  Sorry if this is embarrassing to you.  The good news is that you always can create topics about all of this shit going on in the world (on a rock band fan club website) and discuss with others who find those topics interesting and something they want to discuss.

You are too kind...and a bit too snarky on a personal level.  See ya!

F Me In The Brain

brianlux said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Well, this is a cancelled thread and the rapist came up.  Sorry if this is embarrassing to you.  The good news is that you always can create topics about all of this shit going on in the world (on a rock band fan club website) and discuss with others who find those topics interesting and something they want to discuss.

You are too kind...and a bit too snarky on a personal level.  See ya!

I just dont get the judgement.  Is there a list of topics that are not embarrassing to you that should be posted on here at the Pearl Jam Fan Club Message Board?
I do agree that the world is messed up, just not how anything posted here impacts that.

Anyway, have a great day

OnWis97

brianlux said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Well, this is a cancelled thread and the rapist came up.  Sorry if this is embarrassing to you.  The good news is that you always can create topics about all of this shit going on in the world (on a rock band fan club website) and discuss with others who find those topics interesting and something they want to discuss.

You are too kind...and a bit too snarky on a personal level.  See ya!

To be less snarky, we have a fairly unregulated/unregimented community here* and the topic fit within two threads (perhaps a bit loosely in the case of this thread). I'd add that I find a fairly famous person getting 30 years for two sexual assaults to be a big deal given the history of under-punishment for that crime. Given those points, while there is lots going on in the world, I don't find this story appearing in two threads to be at all embarrising.

*I am on only one other message board, where stuff like this is nipped in the bud and I think it's kinda annoying.

brianlux

F Me In The Brain said:

brianlux said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Well, this is a cancelled thread and the rapist came up.  Sorry if this is embarrassing to you.  The good news is that you always can create topics about all of this shit going on in the world (on a rock band fan club website) and discuss with others who find those topics interesting and something they want to discuss.

You are too kind...and a bit too snarky on a personal level.  See ya!

I just dont get the judgement.  Is there a list of topics that are not embarrassing to you that should be posted on here at the Pearl Jam Fan Club Message Board?
I do agree that the world is messed up, just not how anything posted here impacts that.

Anyway, have a great day

Dude, first of all it was a general statement not directed at you.  It just seems lame to me that with all the really important shit that's going on in the world, that here on AMT there are two threads about a sensationalist story.  AMT is supposedly a place to discuss current events and politics and so often this kind of story seems to get a lot more traction than the kind of subject that more directly affects our lives.  Environment, for example, is really low on the radar here and in the long run, that is a subject that that will affect us all at least as much, if not more than anything else.  It's odd to me that so often AMT is more like a check out line tabloid than a place for more serious discussion.

But look, here's the deal, if people here want to focus on sensationalist stuff more than pertinent subjects, that's not up to me.  I don't run the joint.  I don't even get on this forum section nearly as often as I used to.

mace1229

brianlux said:

With all the shit going on the the world, two AMT threads focused on a rapist? 

Kind of embarrassing here sometimes. 

I found it interesting as I wouldn't have guessed he was facing 30 years. Not that I feel bad, but 30 years for rape seems like a lot when I see cases for murder getting a lot less.
My wife and I watch those true Crome shows all the time. Doesn't seem uncommon for someone to get something like 7 years for murder.

I also find it interesting to hear when a celeb is a big PJ fan. Less interesting when they turn out to be a rapist though. 

Ledbetterman10

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

With all the shit going on the the world, two AMT threads focused on a rapist? 

Kind of embarrassing here sometimes. 

I found it interesting as I wouldn't have guessed he was facing 30 years. Not that I feel bad, but 30 years for rape seems like a lot when I see cases for murder getting a lot less.
My wife and I watch those true Crome shows all the time. Doesn't seem uncommon for someone to get something like 7 years for murder.

I also find it interesting to hear when a celeb is a big PJ fan. Less interesting when they turn out to be a rapist though. 

I'm a little surprised by the conviction. I'm not sure there were any witnesses or evidence other than testimony from the alleged victims. That's more than enough to win a civil case, but usually not a criminal charge. I think the "church" of Scientology's meddling might've helped sway the jury. The victims went to "church" leaders and were not taken seriously, and he was protected by them. 

As for him being a PJ fan, I remember reading a TV Guide in the late 90's where That 70's Show was being featured and he said something along the lines of "always wanting to be like Eddie Vedder." I used find that sort of thing interesting too, as a teenager. But now, unless it's new music, a vault release, or tour announcement, I don't care about anything Pearl Jam-related, especially what celebrities like them. But at the time reading that TV Guide, I was definitely like "Whoa, cool. Hyde likes Pearl Jam too!" 

brianlux

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

With all the shit going on the the world, two AMT threads focused on a rapist? 

Kind of embarrassing here sometimes. 

I found it interesting as I wouldn't have guessed he was facing 30 years. Not that I feel bad, but 30 years for rape seems like a lot when I see cases for murder getting a lot less.
My wife and I watch those true Crome shows all the time. Doesn't seem uncommon for someone to get something like 7 years for murder.

I also find it interesting to hear when a celeb is a big PJ fan. Less interesting when they turn out to be a rapist though. 

Well, that illustrates my point.  Rape is a very serious subject and certainly is a pertinent one to fall under the category of current events.  But if we're honest about it, this story would not be on the radar here if the guy was just yet another rapist and not the Pearl Jam and TV personality that he is.  The same can be said about most true crime stories.  Those stories are about sensationalism and vicarious thrills, not serious discussion about pertinent matters.  That is the point I was trying to make.

F Me In The Brain

brianlux said:

F Me In The Brain said:

brianlux said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Well, this is a cancelled thread and the rapist came up.  Sorry if this is embarrassing to you.  The good news is that you always can create topics about all of this shit going on in the world (on a rock band fan club website) and discuss with others who find those topics interesting and something they want to discuss.

You are too kind...and a bit too snarky on a personal level.  See ya!

I just dont get the judgement.  Is there a list of topics that are not embarrassing to you that should be posted on here at the Pearl Jam Fan Club Message Board?
I do agree that the world is messed up, just not how anything posted here impacts that.

Anyway, have a great day

Dude, first of all it was a general statement not directed at you.  It just seems lame to me that with all the really important shit that's going on in the world, that here on AMT there are two threads about a sensationalist story.  AMT is supposedly a place to discuss current events and politics and so often this kind of story seems to get a lot more traction than the kind of subject that more directly affects our lives.  Environment, for example, is really low on the radar here and in the long run, that is a subject that that will affect us all at least as much, if not more than anything else.  It's odd to me that so often AMT is more like a check out line tabloid than a place for more serious discussion.

But look, here's the deal, if people here want to focus on sensationalist stuff more than pertinent subjects, that's not up to me.  I don't run the joint.  I don't even get on this forum section nearly as often as I used to.

I got the point you were making, and certainly didn't and don't take it personally.  
It is a current event.  I understand you feel these sexual assaults and related punishments are sensational, impertinent, and less impactful than current environmental issues.   
I don't have much of an opinion on that comparison but I do feel that Masterson should burn for being a raper and find it good that he is now cancelled from society.



**edit - I see your post, above, where you clarify.   So you find the story sensationalist because the offender is an actor.  I get that.
I think that he is a PJ super fan makes it very pertinent for this particular website

mace1229

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

With all the shit going on the the world, two AMT threads focused on a rapist? 

Kind of embarrassing here sometimes. 

I found it interesting as I wouldn't have guessed he was facing 30 years. Not that I feel bad, but 30 years for rape seems like a lot when I see cases for murder getting a lot less.
My wife and I watch those true Crome shows all the time. Doesn't seem uncommon for someone to get something like 7 years for murder.

I also find it interesting to hear when a celeb is a big PJ fan. Less interesting when they turn out to be a rapist though. 

Well, that illustrates my point.  Rape is a very serious subject and certainly is a pertinent one to fall under the category of current events.  But if we're honest about it, this story would not be on the radar here if the guy was just yet another rapist and not the Pearl Jam and TV personality that he is.  The same can be said about most true crime stories.  Those stories are about sensationalism and vicarious thrills, not serious discussion about pertinent matters.  That is the point I was trying to make.

I've only heard about it on here and I am a little surprised. I mean, we usually get mug shots and even news when a celeb gets a DUI. Bill Cosby was headline news for months. I know he's nowhere near the status of Cosby, but if it wasn't for this thread I'd have no idea, and that does surprise me a little. Thought there'd be more news about an actor getting 30 years in prison, PJ fan or not.

brianlux

I'm not here to judge, just to express my own thoughts.  Carry on folks, I'll stay out of it from here.

HughFreakingDillon

I think it's good when someone high profile gets caught and gets properly punished. if it stops one sick fuck from doing the same, then I'm all for discussing it. 

HughFreakingDillon

Russell Brand accused by 4 women of rape, sexual assault, and abuse:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/16/russell-brand-accused-of-sexual-assault-and-emotional-abuse

cblock4life

HughFreakingDillon said:

Russell Brand accused by 4 women of rape, sexual assault, and abuse:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/16/russell-brand-accused-of-sexual-assault-and-emotional-abuse

This does not surprise me at all.  KP’s lyrics are very telling.  

Lerxst1992

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

With all the shit going on the the world, two AMT threads focused on a rapist? 

Kind of embarrassing here sometimes. 

I found it interesting as I wouldn't have guessed he was facing 30 years. Not that I feel bad, but 30 years for rape seems like a lot when I see cases for murder getting a lot less.
My wife and I watch those true Crome shows all the time. Doesn't seem uncommon for someone to get something like 7 years for murder.

I also find it interesting to hear when a celeb is a big PJ fan. Less interesting when they turn out to be a rapist though. 

I'm a little surprised by the conviction. I'm not sure there were any witnesses or evidence other than testimony from the alleged victims. That's more than enough to win a civil case, but usually not a criminal charge. I think the "church" of Scientology's meddling might've helped sway the jury. The victims went to "church" leaders and were not taken seriously, and he was protected by them. 

As for him being a PJ fan, I remember reading a TV Guide in the late 90's where That 70's Show was being featured and he said something along the lines of "always wanting to be like Eddie Vedder." I used find that sort of thing interesting too, as a teenager. But now, unless it's new music, a vault release, or tour announcement, I don't care about anything Pearl Jam-related, especially what celebrities like them. But at the time reading that TV Guide, I was definitely like "Whoa, cool. Hyde likes Pearl Jam too!" 

From what I’ve read, there was no toxicology or any other physical evidence at the trial, which is surprising given the allegation was that he drugged the victims. Also concerning was that the jury did not believe one of the accusers since he wasn’t convicted of all three counts, as well as, iirc, one was a former girlfriend and another was current girlfriend at the time the incident occurred.

The threshold in a criminal trial is supposed to be beyond doubt, without corroborating physical evidence, I am unsure how juries get there.

HughFreakingDillon

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Russell Brand accused by 4 women of rape, sexual assault, and abuse:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/16/russell-brand-accused-of-sexual-assault-and-emotional-abuse

This does not surprise me at all.  KP’s lyrics are very telling.  

KP?

nicknyr15

HughFreakingDillon said:

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Russell Brand accused by 4 women of rape, sexual assault, and abuse:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/16/russell-brand-accused-of-sexual-assault-and-emotional-abuse

This does not surprise me at all.  KP’s lyrics are very telling.  

KP?

Katy Perry. His ex wife. Exes usually have nothing but great things to say …. 

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

With all the shit going on the the world, two AMT threads focused on a rapist? 

Kind of embarrassing here sometimes. 

I found it interesting as I wouldn't have guessed he was facing 30 years. Not that I feel bad, but 30 years for rape seems like a lot when I see cases for murder getting a lot less.
My wife and I watch those true Crome shows all the time. Doesn't seem uncommon for someone to get something like 7 years for murder.

I also find it interesting to hear when a celeb is a big PJ fan. Less interesting when they turn out to be a rapist though. 

I'm a little surprised by the conviction. I'm not sure there were any witnesses or evidence other than testimony from the alleged victims. That's more than enough to win a civil case, but usually not a criminal charge. I think the "church" of Scientology's meddling might've helped sway the jury. The victims went to "church" leaders and were not taken seriously, and he was protected by them. 

As for him being a PJ fan, I remember reading a TV Guide in the late 90's where That 70's Show was being featured and he said something along the lines of "always wanting to be like Eddie Vedder." I used find that sort of thing interesting too, as a teenager. But now, unless it's new music, a vault release, or tour announcement, I don't care about anything Pearl Jam-related, especially what celebrities like them. But at the time reading that TV Guide, I was definitely like "Whoa, cool. Hyde likes Pearl Jam too!" 

From what I’ve read, there was no toxicology or any other physical evidence at the trial, which is surprising given the allegation was that he drugged the victims. Also concerning was that the jury did not believe one of the accusers since he wasn’t convicted of all three counts, as well as, iirc, one was a former girlfriend and another was current girlfriend at the time the incident occurred.

The threshold in a criminal trial is supposed to be beyond doubt, without corroborating physical evidence, I am unsure how juries get there.

In rape trials, I’m going to guess it’s the norm, not the exception, if there’s mo physical evidence. I think it mostly depends on the believability of the victim; does she have any motive to lie? If multiple victims, is there a clear pattern the accused follows in his crime that the victims disclosed to police without knowing each other? That’s why convictions are rare with rape. If it goes to trial at all. 

HughFreakingDillon

nicknyr15 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Russell Brand accused by 4 women of rape, sexual assault, and abuse:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/16/russell-brand-accused-of-sexual-assault-and-emotional-abuse

This does not surprise me at all.  KP’s lyrics are very telling.  

KP?

Katy Perry. His ex wife. Exes usually have nothing but great things to say …. 

😂 

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1703076128028795366?t=TkJIKpDatOMRLMbomRXkkw&s=19

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

With all the shit going on the the world, two AMT threads focused on a rapist? 

Kind of embarrassing here sometimes. 

I found it interesting as I wouldn't have guessed he was facing 30 years. Not that I feel bad, but 30 years for rape seems like a lot when I see cases for murder getting a lot less.
My wife and I watch those true Crome shows all the time. Doesn't seem uncommon for someone to get something like 7 years for murder.

I also find it interesting to hear when a celeb is a big PJ fan. Less interesting when they turn out to be a rapist though. 

I'm a little surprised by the conviction. I'm not sure there were any witnesses or evidence other than testimony from the alleged victims. That's more than enough to win a civil case, but usually not a criminal charge. I think the "church" of Scientology's meddling might've helped sway the jury. The victims went to "church" leaders and were not taken seriously, and he was protected by them. 

As for him being a PJ fan, I remember reading a TV Guide in the late 90's where That 70's Show was being featured and he said something along the lines of "always wanting to be like Eddie Vedder." I used find that sort of thing interesting too, as a teenager. But now, unless it's new music, a vault release, or tour announcement, I don't care about anything Pearl Jam-related, especially what celebrities like them. But at the time reading that TV Guide, I was definitely like "Whoa, cool. Hyde likes Pearl Jam too!" 

From what I’ve read, there was no toxicology or any other physical evidence at the trial, which is surprising given the allegation was that he drugged the victims. Also concerning was that the jury did not believe one of the accusers since he wasn’t convicted of all three counts, as well as, iirc, one was a former girlfriend and another was current girlfriend at the time the incident occurred.

The threshold in a criminal trial is supposed to be beyond doubt, without corroborating physical evidence, I am unsure how juries get there.

In rape trials, I’m going to guess it’s the norm, not the exception, if there’s mo physical evidence. I think it mostly depends on the believability of the victim; does she have any motive to lie? If multiple victims, is there a clear pattern the accused follows in his crime that the victims disclosed to police without knowing each other? That’s why convictions are rare with rape. If it goes to trial at all. 

I think victims here are also suing the church, which has very deep pockets. If that’s motive to stretch out the facts I’m not sure. I hope the jury was correct in this case.