Cancelled!

Gern Blansten

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/conservative-retired-judge-says-trump-corroded-and-corrupted-american-democracy

Judge Luttig is about as conservative as you can get. His stance on tRump should be followed by all republicans that aren't full maga.

Why this doesn't make more conservatives wake the fuck up is beyond me but I know why...they aren't exposed to him because they only watch OAN/Newsmax/Infowars.

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/conservative-retired-judge-says-trump-corroded-and-corrupted-american-democracy

Judge Luttig is about as conservative as you can get. His stance on tRump should be followed by all republicans that aren't full maga.

Why this doesn't make more conservatives wake the fuck up is beyond me but I know why...they aren't exposed to him because they only watch OAN/Newsmax/Infowars.

Ask Chris, he’ll fill you in.

Parksy

Lerxst1992 said:

Go Beavers said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Fallacy (and Laziness) of Both-Sides-ism

“Today’s Republican Party . . . is an insurgent outlier. It has become ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understandings of fact, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of it’s political opposition, all but declaring war on the government. The Democratic Party, while no paragon of civic virtue, is more ideologically centered and diverse, protective of the government’s role as it developed over the course of the last century, open to incremental changes in policy fashioned through bargaining with the Republicans and less disposed to or adept at take-no-prisoners conflict between the parties.

“This asymmetry between the parties, which journalists and scholars often brush aside or whitewash in a quest for ‘balance,’ constitutes a huge obstacle to effective governance.”

While there are individual exceptions, the Republicans as a political party have shown themselves less interested in actual governance than in throwing spanners in the works — or simply eliminating “the works,” as in the National Security Council office focused on global health and pandemics. This becomes a real problem in a crisis like the current one.

In the balance of Klein’s chapter he discusses structural factors that have kept the Democratic Party closer to accepted civic norms and established institutions (an argument borne out by Biden being their leading candidate for the nomination). Their language is restrained. But their point is clear — the two parties aren’t the same. To act as if they are is false." 

https://www.postalley.org/2020/04/05/the-fallacy-and-laziness-of-both-sides-ism/

If you try to argue his point you'll get "nope, see, he says it right here."

I get the science as evidence part.  That can't be stressed enough.  Too many republicans put their head in the sand or throw their hands up about it.  That is something I just don't get.

It's an op-ed, you can argue it all you want. 

I think the points are valid, but if you don't, feel free to push back. 

Meh, we won't agree anyways so it's pointless.  I said my reasoning already anyways.

If you think about it more if you don't like what a side stands for you have to pick one so you just go Conservative.  We are made to choose a side.  This is why Trump was elected in the first place.  This is why I'd love a third party system.

Can we bring back the Whigs? They were the Libertarians for their time.  I'm sure they did stupid shit back then too though.

I think third party people can be just as bad with the bothsideism. They end up equating a lesser offense and a greater offense, which just enables the greater offender. In their minds, they’re ethically and morally superior to the two major parties, but this isn’t based on any policy around regulation, it’s just ideologically based on thinking they’re better. 

Well conservatives do that also. Someone from work, immigrant from the Caribbean is a solid trump voter. A little shocking, but not when considering her hubby is retired NYPD. Almost all of them vote R now, because of Deblaze dismantling stop and frisk.
 
I said to her you realize those DC cops are dead solely because of trump so why would the police continue to support him? She barely knew what I was talking about. They are in a different bubble,and are surrounded by like minded people. No way getting around confirmation bias 
.

very interesting.. thanks for posting! 

cincybearcat

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

The Fallacy (and Laziness) of Both-Sides-ism

“Today’s Republican Party . . . is an insurgent outlier. It has become ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understandings of fact, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of it’s political opposition, all but declaring war on the government. The Democratic Party, while no paragon of civic virtue, is more ideologically centered and diverse, protective of the government’s role as it developed over the course of the last century, open to incremental changes in policy fashioned through bargaining with the Republicans and less disposed to or adept at take-no-prisoners conflict between the parties.

“This asymmetry between the parties, which journalists and scholars often brush aside or whitewash in a quest for ‘balance,’ constitutes a huge obstacle to effective governance.”

While there are individual exceptions, the Republicans as a political party have shown themselves less interested in actual governance than in throwing spanners in the works — or simply eliminating “the works,” as in the National Security Council office focused on global health and pandemics. This becomes a real problem in a crisis like the current one.

In the balance of Klein’s chapter he discusses structural factors that have kept the Democratic Party closer to accepted civic norms and established institutions (an argument borne out by Biden being their leading candidate for the nomination). Their language is restrained. But their point is clear — the two parties aren’t the same. To act as if they are is false." 

https://www.postalley.org/2020/04/05/the-fallacy-and-laziness-of-both-sides-ism/

If you try to argue his point you'll get "nope, see, he says it right here."

I get the science as evidence part.  That can't be stressed enough.  Too many republicans put their head in the sand or throw their hands up about it.  That is something I just don't get.

It's an op-ed, you can argue it all you want. 

I think the points are valid, but if you don't, feel free to push back. 

I think it has become clear that the 2 parties are not the same now.  I do think, however, that doesn't mean in some instances the Bothism isn't a reality.  The GOP is a party now dominated by it's lunatic fringe....and fringe that has grown to be a sizable portion of the party.  The Dems have a lunatic fringe, but it is much smaller and only shows it's head at a nation level from time to time on certain issues.  

I'll have to read more of the link, just my thoughts based on what I've seen and the initial portion posted.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/conservative-retired-judge-says-trump-corroded-and-corrupted-american-democracy

Judge Luttig is about as conservative as you can get. His stance on tRump should be followed by all republicans that aren't full maga.

Why this doesn't make more conservatives wake the fuck up is beyond me but I know why...they aren't exposed to him because they only watch OAN/Newsmax/Infowars.

It boggles the mind, Gern.   I think it has to do with an extreme inflexibility in MAGA followers thinking and, at this point, a massive amount embarrassment to actually admit what any intelligent person can clearly see.

Parksy

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/conservative-retired-judge-says-trump-corroded-and-corrupted-american-democracy

Judge Luttig is about as conservative as you can get. His stance on tRump should be followed by all republicans that aren't full maga.

Why this doesn't make more conservatives wake the fuck up is beyond me but I know why...they aren't exposed to him because they only watch OAN/Newsmax/Infowars.

It boggles the mind, Gern.   I think it has to do with an extreme inflexibility in MAGA followers thinking and, at this point, a massive amount embarrassment to actually admit what any intelligent person can clearly see.

Oui

Gern Blansten

The first amendment will kill this country. I think the argument used to be that false media would starve by not getting advertisers. Now we know that there are companies that capitalize on stupid. 

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/1696518917965906178?t=IIb5NUcnqlVVeFfMxfQrFA&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/DC_DeWitt/status/1699373123832021404?t=sPsiShUJiaORqsLy-IMYAw&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1699859920575709619?t=nCZo72qy85BmsFaEjSCOxA&s=19

DarthMaeglin

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1699859920575709619?t=nCZo72qy85BmsFaEjSCOxA&s=19

Ouch. I’m not sure though, are we supposed to cancel Conan because he knew and did nothing (although he calls him out publicly in the clip, which is probably more than others did)?

Things have gotten so confusing (as I believe I’ve mentioned before), but in this case not everyone can be Brad Pitt punching Weinstein in the face, so I don’t personally think Conan deserves any scorn here.

mace1229

DarthMaeglin said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1699859920575709619?t=nCZo72qy85BmsFaEjSCOxA&s=19

Ouch. I’m not sure though, are we supposed to cancel Conan because he knew and did nothing (although he calls him out publicly in the clip, which is probably more than others did)?

Things have gotten so confusing (as I believe I’ve mentioned before), but in this case not everyone can be Brad Pitt punching Weinstein in the face, so I don’t personally think Conan deserves any scorn here.

Was this not a joke? That's how I took it. Doesn't seem like Conan knew, was just making a joke about his other balls comment.
I knew Danny was taken off The Ranch for some allegations, had no idea they were this serious or he was on trial. 

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

DarthMaeglin said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1699859920575709619?t=nCZo72qy85BmsFaEjSCOxA&s=19

Ouch. I’m not sure though, are we supposed to cancel Conan because he knew and did nothing (although he calls him out publicly in the clip, which is probably more than others did)?

Things have gotten so confusing (as I believe I’ve mentioned before), but in this case not everyone can be Brad Pitt punching Weinstein in the face, so I don’t personally think Conan deserves any scorn here.

Was this not a joke? That's how I took it. Doesn't seem like Conan knew, was just making a joke about his other balls comment.
I knew Danny was taken off The Ranch for some allegations, had no idea they were this serious or he was on trial. 

1st ended in mistrial. scientology fuckery saw to that

F Me In The Brain

Yeah it has been ongoing for a long time.  Danny is a giant fucking piece o shit.
Hope he gets the rape while in jail.

DarthMaeglin

mace1229 said:

DarthMaeglin said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1699859920575709619?t=nCZo72qy85BmsFaEjSCOxA&s=19

Ouch. I’m not sure though, are we supposed to cancel Conan because he knew and did nothing (although he calls him out publicly in the clip, which is probably more than others did)?

Things have gotten so confusing (as I believe I’ve mentioned before), but in this case not everyone can be Brad Pitt punching Weinstein in the face, so I don’t personally think Conan deserves any scorn here.

Was this not a joke? That's how I took it. Doesn't seem like Conan knew, was just making a joke about his other balls comment.
I knew Danny was taken off The Ranch for some allegations, had no idea they were this serious or he was on trial. 

Completely agree that it was probably just a joke, it does fit with Conan’s overall style as well.

OnWis97

mace1229 said:

DarthMaeglin said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1699859920575709619?t=nCZo72qy85BmsFaEjSCOxA&s=19

Ouch. I’m not sure though, are we supposed to cancel Conan because he knew and did nothing (although he calls him out publicly in the clip, which is probably more than others did)?

Things have gotten so confusing (as I believe I’ve mentioned before), but in this case not everyone can be Brad Pitt punching Weinstein in the face, so I don’t personally think Conan deserves any scorn here.

Was this not a joke? That's how I took it. Doesn't seem like Conan knew, was just making a joke about his other balls comment.
I knew Danny was taken off The Ranch for some allegations, had no idea they were this serious or he was on trial. 

Definitely. I don't think anyone was supposed to think Conan actually knew anything. Conan's jokes, as it turned out, were more reality based than he could have known.

brianlux

With all the shit going on the the world, two AMT threads focused on a rapist? 

Kind of embarrassing here sometimes. 

F Me In The Brain

Well, this is a cancelled thread and the rapist came up.  Sorry if this is embarrassing to you.  The good news is that you always can create topics about all of this shit going on in the world (on a rock band fan club website) and discuss with others who find those topics interesting and something they want to discuss.

HughFreakingDillon

30 years. wow

F Me In The Brain

They should throw away the key on rapers
Cancel, for life.