Cancelled!

Hobbes

gimmesometruth27 said:

gina canceled herself. she could not resist the urge to post grievance politics on her social media, after repeated warnings from disney, and lost a lifetime of money in the process. there is a bunch of stuff i would like to post about on social media, but at the same time, i know it could cost me my job.

Dump, dat you?

hedonist

I don’t think social media itself is the issue; it’s the people using it.

The self-absorption, the hate, the gaffes, the sometime-goodness, the need to be seen or known for anything - that already exists. Social media simply facilitates its communication (and the news mistakes this for actual news, but that’s another story).

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

Gina Carano wasn't "canceled", she's facing the consequences of her own stupidity. 


She's not a victim. 

being cancelled doesn't equate to, in my opinion, being the victim. 

many have been cancelled that deserved it. 

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

brianlux said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

gina canceled herself. she could not resist the urge to post grievance politics on her social media, after repeated warnings from disney, and lost a lifetime of money in the process. there is a bunch of stuff i would like to post about on social media, but at the same time, i know it could cost me my job.

I know a woman who has zero capability of restraint in what she says on FaceBook.  She's in real estate and has been booted out of at least two offices that I know of for outrageous things she has said on FB, and each time cries "victim".  She is a capable and, at heart, very good person but not being able to bite her tongue has basically trashed her career.  I don't get it- it's just not worth wrecking ones life just to shout some shit on the internet.

i have learned that sometimes it is best to not say anything. now that i am older i do not like to spend my time on social media sites arguing with strangers and posting super inflammatory things. most of the stuff i post now is stuff i find humorous. i have really shied away from the controversial stuff the last few years. all that does is piss people off and get you reported and potentially zucced, haha.

Wise choices!

HughFreakingDillon

hedonist said:

I don’t think social media itself is the issue; it’s the people using it.

The self-absorption, the hate, the gaffes, the sometime-goodness, the need to be seen or known for anything - that already exists. Social media simply facilitates its communication (and the news mistakes this for actual news, but that’s another story).

i think that's what people mean by social media being the problem. its gives amplification to things that shouldn't be amplified. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gina Carano wasn't "canceled", she's facing the consequences of her own stupidity. 


She's not a victim. 

being cancelled doesn't equate to, in my opinion, being the victim. 

many have been cancelled that deserved it. 

I understood your original post to suggest Gina Carano's a victim of cancel culture. 

Did I read that wrong? 

PJPOWER

hedonist said:

I don’t think social media itself is the issue; it’s the people using it.

The self-absorption, the hate, the gaffes, the sometime-goodness, the need to be seen or known for anything - that already exists. Social media simply facilitates its communication (and the news mistakes this for actual news, but that’s another story).

That’s not 100% true.  Social media, Facebook specifically, uses AI software that creates algorithms to manipulate people’s accounts to focus on certain topics...the ones that are going to most effectively elicit an emotional response and general clicks.  It’s disgusting.

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gina Carano wasn't "canceled", she's facing the consequences of her own stupidity. 


She's not a victim. 

being cancelled doesn't equate to, in my opinion, being the victim. 

many have been cancelled that deserved it. 

I understood your original post to suggest Gina Carano's a victim of cancel culture. 

Did I read that wrong? 

I don't consider her a victim. you can be cancelled for legitimate reasons and for frivolous reasons. Hers, in my view, were legit. Matt Good's, in my view, were not. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJPOWER said:

hedonist said:

I don’t think social media itself is the issue; it’s the people using it.

The self-absorption, the hate, the gaffes, the sometime-goodness, the need to be seen or known for anything - that already exists. Social media simply facilitates its communication (and the news mistakes this for actual news, but that’s another story).

That’s not 100% true.  Social media, Facebook specifically, uses AI software that creates algorithms to manipulate people’s accounts to focus on certain topics...the ones that are going to most effectively elicit an emotional response and general clicks.  It’s disgusting.

absolutely. it's designed to keep you engaged and addicted. it first grabs you with the rush of likes and just general being noticed, and then it sends you down the rabbit hole of nastiness. it's hard to break free of it. 

hedonist

PJPOWER said:

hedonist said:

I don’t think social media itself is the issue; it’s the people using it.

The self-absorption, the hate, the gaffes, the sometime-goodness, the need to be seen or known for anything - that already exists. Social media simply facilitates its communication (and the news mistakes this for actual news, but that’s another story).

That’s not 100% true.  Social media, Facebook specifically, uses AI software that creates algorithms to manipulate people’s accounts to focus on certain topics...the ones that are going to most effectively elicit an emotional response and general clicks.  It’s disgusting.

I imagine a bunch of other companies do this too. Hell, my email account is still bombarded by ads for a litter box we purchased two months ago!

As to the amplification issue mentioned, I want those with whom I disagree to speak as loudly and freely as those with whom I do concur. That I might be disgusted by another’s words or actions isn’t worth that sacrifice, to me. 

HughFreakingDillon

people who are the target of hate speech, I'm sure, would disagree. 

PJPOWER

hedonist said:

PJPOWER said:

hedonist said:

I don’t think social media itself is the issue; it’s the people using it.

The self-absorption, the hate, the gaffes, the sometime-goodness, the need to be seen or known for anything - that already exists. Social media simply facilitates its communication (and the news mistakes this for actual news, but that’s another story).

That’s not 100% true.  Social media, Facebook specifically, uses AI software that creates algorithms to manipulate people’s accounts to focus on certain topics...the ones that are going to most effectively elicit an emotional response and general clicks.  It’s disgusting.

I imagine a bunch of other companies do this too. Hell, my email account is still bombarded by ads for a litter box we purchased two months ago!

As to the amplification issue mentioned, I want those with whom I disagree to speak as loudly and freely as those with whom I do concur. That I might be disgusted by another’s words or actions isn’t worth that sacrifice, to me. 

That’s the thing, though, you will see less apposing views and more content that aligns with what you are interested in.  Trump supporters get tied to more and more Trump content and less pro-Biden content and so on.  

If you haven’t seen it yet, Social Dilemma on Netflix explains how the program works better than I can. 

hedonist

HughFreakingDillon said:

people who are the target of hate speech, I'm sure, would disagree. 

Are you sure? I’m not.

And I’m not talking about outright threats.

PJP, you’re the third person to recommend that viewing. No Netflix at the moment, unfortunately. 

HughFreakingDillon

generally when I say I'm sure, I'm sure. 

of course, I'm not suggesting this is 100%. But I'd guess the vast majority. 

PJPOWER

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

people who are the target of hate speech, I'm sure, would disagree. 

Are you sure? I’m not.

And I’m not talking about outright threats.

PJP, you’re the third person to recommend that viewing. No Netflix at the moment, unfortunately. 

Bummer, it really is eye opening (or was for me).  I mean, I knew there was shady stuff going on, but to hear some of the things straight from the horses mouth (people employed with Facebook) was concerning.  As you said, they are not the only ones manipulating people, but definitely stand out with their technology and how it is essentially operating on its own with little oversight.

mace1229

Can we add the Joe Biden thread to this list?

tempo_n_groove

PJPOWER said:

hedonist said:

PJPOWER said:

hedonist said:

I don’t think social media itself is the issue; it’s the people using it.

The self-absorption, the hate, the gaffes, the sometime-goodness, the need to be seen or known for anything - that already exists. Social media simply facilitates its communication (and the news mistakes this for actual news, but that’s another story).

That’s not 100% true.  Social media, Facebook specifically, uses AI software that creates algorithms to manipulate people’s accounts to focus on certain topics...the ones that are going to most effectively elicit an emotional response and general clicks.  It’s disgusting.

I imagine a bunch of other companies do this too. Hell, my email account is still bombarded by ads for a litter box we purchased two months ago!

As to the amplification issue mentioned, I want those with whom I disagree to speak as loudly and freely as those with whom I do concur. That I might be disgusted by another’s words or actions isn’t worth that sacrifice, to me. 

That’s the thing, though, you will see less apposing views and more content that aligns with what you are interested in.  Trump supporters get tied to more and more Trump content and less pro-Biden content and so on.  

If you haven’t seen it yet, Social Dilemma on Netflix explains how the program works better than I can. 

I see almost ZERO pro trump posts now after the election. No more links, memes, or posts.  It’s crazy because I’m still friends with people but I just don’t get in the algorithms?

brianlux

Man oh man, think of all the musicians in the past who would be cancelled today.  For example, John Mayall.  Still alive, of course, but what if he had written "Cancelling Out" in recent days?  Not only would it be super ironic, but imagine the flack he would get for recording this song!  "Yeah I got a bad egg in my hen house/ why I'm gonna cancel out that kind of chick."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQEGKbmcMlY

hedonist

Look what they did to Lenny Bruce. For WORDS. 

brianlux

hedonist said:

Look what they did to Lenny Bruce. For WORDS. 

Yes, for words!  Freakin' words!  Outrageous!

Edit:  Sorry, I meant fucking words.