How many haven't tried to get a refund? Seat location improving?

drakeheuer14

RS65573 said:

Unfortunately I think TM is calling the shots here. I have tickets for other TM shows at MSG for example, handled exactly the same. We'll see. But I got a refund and expect a redraw because GA is just being less safe for no reason.

Eliminating GA is about as useless as Walmart deciding it was safer to cut out 24 hour locations and cut other normal business hours down at one point.. I mean how did offering less shopping time and forcing more people to go between shorter hours help anyone? Or drive through people having you put payment and receive food into a bucket where they are still coming into contact with whatever ya got anyways. There are a lot of good rules to keep people safe (stay home, where masks, etc), but a lot of equally stupid ones too. Some level of sanity has to be brought back. 

PB11041

drakeheuer14 said:

RS65573 said:

Unfortunately I think TM is calling the shots here. I have tickets for other TM shows at MSG for example, handled exactly the same. We'll see. But I got a refund and expect a redraw because GA is just being less safe for no reason.

Eliminating GA is about as useless as Walmart deciding it was safer to cut out 24 hour locations and cut other normal business hours down at one point.. I mean how did offering less shopping time and forcing more people to go between shorter hours help anyone? Or drive through people having you put payment and receive food into a bucket where they are still coming into contact with whatever ya got anyways. There are a lot of good rules to keep people safe (stay home, where masks, etc), but a lot of equally stupid ones too. Some level of sanity has to be brought back. 

people would be well advised to seek out some real science about all this at this point.  The last year has been rife with hot takes and fear based reaction, all with good reason, but for fuck sake, when the veil is lifted and events can happen again the idea that a bunch of people sitting shoulder to shoulder is somehow safer than GA is just ludicrus and completely devoid of any credible science.  

there have been so many bad stories about what does and does not constitute a "super-spreader" event.   Right now in door gatherings of any kind for a sustained period without a mask is crazy whether you sit on someones head or six feet away, unless you have been vaccinated. 

know1

You all really don't think there will be a ton of complaints from people who held onto their fan club tickets this whole time that they are now selling public seats better than theirs (seats that other fan club members with higher seniority gave up on)?

know1

SHZA said:

All speculation at this point. I'd think there would be some portion of the refunded tickets made available to 10c instead of straight to public sale. As far as moving people up that held onto their tix, they probably won't because it's more complicated and some will complain that they liked the old tickets better, but it seems they could offer an "upgrade option" and you could say yes or no to the new seats before they resell the returns. TM is not calling the shots on cancelation, plenty of TM shows were canceled outright. 

I like this. At least give us an option to take advantage of abandoned fan club seats if we want to before selling them the public who hasn't been in the fan club or hasn't given a donation of hundreds of dollars for ticketmaster to keep as a 0% loan all this time. 

SHZA

drakeheuer14 said:

RS65573 said:

Unfortunately I think TM is calling the shots here. I have tickets for other TM shows at MSG for example, handled exactly the same. We'll see. But I got a refund and expect a redraw because GA is just being less safe for no reason.

Eliminating GA is about as useless as Walmart deciding it was safer to cut out 24 hour locations and cut other normal business hours down at one point.. I mean how did offering less shopping time and forcing more people to go between shorter hours help anyone? Or drive through people having you put payment and receive food into a bucket where they are still coming into contact with whatever ya got anyways. There are a lot of good rules to keep people safe (stay home, where masks, etc), but a lot of equally stupid ones too. Some level of sanity has to be brought back. 

Walmart cut out 24-hour locations so they could sanitize overnight. Very few people actually go shopping at 3 am anyway, they limit the number of shoppers during the day, and more people are using curbside/delivery so cutting 24-hour access didn't actually force more people into the store during regular hours 

hihobibo

know1 said:

SHZA said:

All speculation at this point. I'd think there would be some portion of the refunded tickets made available to 10c instead of straight to public sale. As far as moving people up that held onto their tix, they probably won't because it's more complicated and some will complain that they liked the old tickets better, but it seems they could offer an "upgrade option" and you could say yes or no to the new seats before they resell the returns. TM is not calling the shots on cancelation, plenty of TM shows were canceled outright. 

I like this. At least give us an option to take advantage of abandoned fan club seats if we want to before selling them the public who hasn't been in the fan club or hasn't given a donation of hundreds of dollars for ticketmaster to keep as a 0% loan all this time. 

How I would handle it, based on the technology and process TM currently uses for other events, is to post the refunded seats to the fan to fan page, and give 10 Club members an exclusive passcode, with time blocks based on seniority, to look to exchange their tickets. After all the Club members get a shot, then the sale is open to general public. 

This is how my Buccaneers season tickets were done every season, when they allowed us to upgrade our seats. I had a window to exchange, and I could do it or not. If I changed my seats, my old ones were then added to the pool.

know1

hihobibo said:

know1 said:

SHZA said:

All speculation at this point. I'd think there would be some portion of the refunded tickets made available to 10c instead of straight to public sale. As far as moving people up that held onto their tix, they probably won't because it's more complicated and some will complain that they liked the old tickets better, but it seems they could offer an "upgrade option" and you could say yes or no to the new seats before they resell the returns. TM is not calling the shots on cancelation, plenty of TM shows were canceled outright. 

I like this. At least give us an option to take advantage of abandoned fan club seats if we want to before selling them the public who hasn't been in the fan club or hasn't given a donation of hundreds of dollars for ticketmaster to keep as a 0% loan all this time. 

How I would handle it, based on the technology and process TM currently uses for other events, is to post the refunded seats to the fan to fan page, and give 10 Club members an exclusive passcode, with time blocks based on seniority, to look to exchange their tickets. After all the Club members get a shot, then the sale is open to general public. 

This is how my Buccaneers season tickets were done every season, when they allowed us to upgrade our seats. I had a window to exchange, and I could do it or not. If I changed my seats, my old ones were then added to the pool.

But I think in this case the preference should be given to those who have held onto seats for so long. It can be done by seniority first, but it needs to be seniority within those that already had tickets. Others who didn't even have tickets shouldn't get a chance for better ones than those that have.

mace1229

know1 said:

You all really don't think there will be a ton of complaints from people who held onto their fan club tickets this whole time that they are now selling public seats better than theirs (seats that other fan club members with higher seniority gave up on)?

There will be a mountain of complaints no matter what, from what you said all the way to "What?! The rescheduled date is a Tuesday and not a Friday anymore! If I had known that I wouldn't have held onto my ticket! 10C sucks!"
So what people will or won't complain about is irrelevant. What makes sense is. What does not make sense is to cancel all tickets and reissue them from scratch. What does make since is tell people if you like your ticket, keep it. If you don't like your ticket, get a refund. They can decide on their own if they want to risk a better seat or not in the public sale. 

I'D RATHER BE

I like this whole discussion! Everyone brings up some good stuff. I agree that there should be a reward for those that held onto their tickets. Seat upgrades would be nice. However, I am always happy with what the Ten Club does for us! I like the idea of treating them how they do with season tickets to a sports team. It's not like there isn't enough time for them to look into this on their end. They have always treated us good and even in the pandemic, continue to go above an beyond most bands! Thank you!

Foriginal Sin

Who cares, play some fucking music!!!

PureandEasy

I held onto my tickets, if people were refunded for their tickets and they will be resold; it doesn't change anything for me.  There will be people filling those seats; WTF do I care who they are and more to point, how the hell would I know one way or the other if they held original tickets or refunded tickets?  

tschav

If the F2F system continues to exist once new dates are announced, they'll likely place the refunded 10c tix into that pool. Then everyone gets a chance to buy upgrades & sell existing tickets in hand. I don't see a reason for them to entertain a redraw - especially if some venues have different state laws for buying/transferring. As for GA, the only way I see that evolving for Covid reasons is either assigned entry times per ticket to avoid camping, or more likely converting GA to assigned reserved seating on the floor.

on2legs

PureandEasy said:

I held onto my tickets, if people were refunded for their tickets and they will be resold; it doesn't change anything for me.  There will be people filling those seats; WTF do I care who they are and more to point, how the hell would I know one way or the other if they held original tickets or refunded tickets?  

I agree.  An upgrade would be nice, but its really way too complicated to seriously entertain and would no doubt lead to plenty of complaints as others have said. 

WesC

Why do I get the feeling we’ve seen the last of PJ playing live to 30k plus fans?

drakeheuer14

WesC said:

Why do I get the feeling we’ve just seen the beginning of PJ playing live to 30k plus fans?

Fixed.

Sarava

I guess we'll see if they do something with GA or leave it as is. As for a re-shuffle - one nice thing they could do is offer people who have existing tickets a chance to reshuffle for better seats, or stay where they are  if they want. But that might be too much work for them.

OceansJenny

know1 said:

mace1229 said:

I see no reason to redistribute seats again. If you have a ticket with a seat number, that’s your ticket. It won’t change.

So there will be new people who get tickets when they re-announce that will be getting better seats than those that have hung onto them all this time?

Here we go... been such a long time since we’ve argued over seats. 🍿

OceansJenny

tdawe said:

I have no idea how they’re going to handle tickets for the rescheduled shows, but I am confident that there will be plenty of people on this board who get pissed off about it. 

That you can always depend on.

OceansJenny

RS65573 said:

You guys honestly think they wont redraw and eliminate GA in the US? GA brings line ups, stacking of people, entry and exit issues and they make the same money. I think 0 chance.

Now this is a good point. I could see GA getting eliminated.

wcadle

I held my tickets to Baltimore. Won't be long hopefully. I just hope they don't make us show proof of vaccination...what if they make us wear a mask? That would be hot as hell.