How many haven't tried to get a refund? Seat location improving?

know1

I'm sure there's a thread about this somewhere, but how many people are still out there with Pearl Jam or Ticketmaster or whoever holding on to hundreds of dollars of their money for the US tour last year?
I'm still not willing to try for a refund, but I sometimes wonder how long it will really be.
Also, it would be nice to think that the reward for the interest free loan would be my ticket location improving with each person who gets a refund, but I wonder if it will still be based on seniority after it all shakes out again.

CopperTom

Seats will be based on seniority.  Period.

mace1229

I see no reason to redistribute seats again. If you have a ticket with a seat number, that’s your ticket. It won’t change.

know1

CopperTom said:

Seats will be based on seniority.  Period.

So when they have to do another lottery, you think the new people who get tickets (or those who gave theirs up and tried again) will get seats based on their seniority and those who hung in there will as well? 

know1

mace1229 said:

I see no reason to redistribute seats again. If you have a ticket with a seat number, that’s your ticket. It won’t change.

So there will be new people who get tickets when they re-announce that will be getting better seats than those that have hung onto them all this time?

hihobibo

know1 said:

mace1229 said:

I see no reason to redistribute seats again. If you have a ticket with a seat number, that’s your ticket. It won’t change.

So there will be new people who get tickets when they re-announce that will be getting better seats than those that have hung onto them all this time?

Probably. People will complain either way. If they reassign your seats, people will complain that they now have a perceived worse seat. And if they let you keep what you have, people will complain that new members got better seats than they have, after being members for 2+ years.

mace1229

know1 said:

mace1229 said:

I see no reason to redistribute seats again. If you have a ticket with a seat number, that’s your ticket. It won’t change.

So there will be new people who get tickets when they re-announce that will be getting better seats than those that have hung onto them all this time?

I’m not sure there will be a new lottery. But if so, then yes. I don’t see them redistributing tickets. You didn’t get a refund you have a ticket and a seat. They aren’t going to switch everything around, why would they? Your ticket is an agreement, like a mini contract. They can’t just change seats and gives yours away just because someone was in 10c longer.

PJNB

There is no reason for a new lottery. The tickets that were refunded will go into the general sale and Fan to Fan once they open things back up and have new dates. The same thing happened for Europe last year which is a bit different since the reserved seats are far fewer than NA shows. 

tdawe

I have no idea how they’re going to handle tickets for the rescheduled shows, but I am confident that there will be plenty of people on this board who get pissed off about it. 

2-feign-reluctance

My existing tickets are awesome. They’ve always treated me well, especially for home town shows. Will hold on as long as it takes. 

THEBIBLEISTEN

So if 40% of fan club tickets were refunded and those tickets are now available who gets them? Other fan club members? General public?  I can’t see these shows happening for Atleast a year to 18 months. How are all these venues going to reschedule all of these events, concerts, sporting events etc? It’s gunna be a mess. 

PJNB

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

So if 40% of fan club tickets were refunded and those tickets are now available who gets them? Other fan club members? General public?  I can’t see these shows happening for Atleast a year to 18 months. How are all these venues going to reschedule all of these events, concerts, sporting events etc? It’s gunna be a mess. 

Rescheduling has already started. They did it last fall and that obviously got pushed and I bet they are doing it right now with place holder dates in place for the fall/winter 2021/22. With fan club tickets being refunded they will just go back to the general sale pool. There will be a new date that fan to fan tickets open back up along with a general sale date and what ever tickets are available will pop up then. 

RS65573

You guys honestly think they wont redraw and eliminate GA in the US? GA brings line ups, stacking of people, entry and exit issues and they make the same money. I think 0 chance.

know1

For the record, I'm not worried that I'd have a worse seat.
But if they don't do a redistribution of fan club tickets, then there will be plenty of public sale tickets sold that are better than those of us who have hung onto our fan club seats.
What I'm saying is they should move everybody who held onto their seats closer to fill in the gaps of those who didn't and then they should either do a new fan club lottery for the seats behind those or just sell them to the public if they don't want to do the lottery.
And yes - the GA thing could cause a re-distribution anyway.

PJNB

RS65573 said:

You guys honestly think they wont redraw and eliminate GA in the US? GA brings line ups, stacking of people, entry and exit issues and they make the same money. I think 0 chance.

I do not think so though that is just my opinion. If they can have shows again they can have all of the above that you are concerned about again safely too. Also plenty of 10C GA tickets have already been sold over and over again to the general population. If they were eliminating GA they would have to cancel all shows and refund everyone that has bought tickets (a huge mess with fan to fan) then start from scratch. If they intend to do that why would they hold our tickets right now? They would have cancelled months ago. 

RS65573

To keep your money, then credit you back a ticket. Ticketmaster wont do the right thing, thats for sure.

PJNB

RS65573 said:

To keep your money, then credit you back a ticket. Ticketmaster wont do the right thing, thats for sure.

I hate TM just as much as the next guy and I have no insider knowledge but I am guessing it is Pearl Jam that is deciding to hold onto the shows and tickets as they are doing so right now. Plenty of people have cancelled tours already so it is not like Ticketmaster is forcing artists to hold all shows that were scheduled. I am happy they are holding out since I have great seats for all of my shows I just do not see Ticketmaster being the ones forcing Pearl Jam to go the route they are going. 

RS65573

Unfortunately I think TM is calling the shots here. I have tickets for other TM shows at MSG for example, handled exactly the same. We'll see. But I got a refund and expect a redraw because GA is just being less safe for no reason.

Zod

RS65573 said:

You guys honestly think they wont redraw and eliminate GA in the US? GA brings line ups, stacking of people, entry and exit issues and they make the same money. I think 0 chance.

The pit's at the arena shows are fairly small (compared to the recent stadium ones) and not super dense.   I think it's laughable people think their "safe" in seats but not standing on the floor.  Your in close proximity to other people anyways.

It's moot though as I don't expect the band to play until it's safe to do so, in which cause it shouldn't really matter.

In answer to the OP's question I've got GA tickets to oakland so I'll hold onto them as long as I can and hope I can make the new dates.

I also don't expect 10c to do a reshuffle.  That's messy, extra work, and would probably get a lot of complains.   I assume any refunded tickets will go up for regular sale, or maybe be redrawn without re-allocating the already issued tickets, but that seems messy and ripe for complaints.

mace1229

Zod said:

RS65573 said:

You guys honestly think they wont redraw and eliminate GA in the US? GA brings line ups, stacking of people, entry and exit issues and they make the same money. I think 0 chance.

The pit's at the arena shows are fairly small (compared to the recent stadium ones) and not super dense.   I think it's laughable people think their "safe" in seats but not standing on the floor.  Your in close proximity to other people anyways.

It's moot though as I don't expect the band to play until it's safe to do so, in which cause it shouldn't really matter.

In answer to the OP's question I've got GA tickets to oakland so I'll hold onto them as long as I can and hope I can make the new dates.

I also don't expect 10c to do a reshuffle.  That's messy, extra work, and would probably get a lot of complains.   I assume any refunded tickets will go up for regular sale, or maybe be redrawn without re-allocating the already issued tickets, but that seems messy and ripe for complaints.

Exactly. Are there first class seats I'm unaware of? Because I've always been bumping shoulder to shoulder with strangers even when I have seat. I have more room when I fly Frontier than at a sold out show with seats.

SHZA

All speculation at this point. I'd think there would be some portion of the refunded tickets made available to 10c instead of straight to public sale. As far as moving people up that held onto their tix, they probably won't because it's more complicated and some will complain that they liked the old tickets better, but it seems they could offer an "upgrade option" and you could say yes or no to the new seats before they resell the returns. TM is not calling the shots on cancelation, plenty of TM shows were canceled outright.