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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,562
    mickeyrat said:
     
    House narrowly approves $1.9B to fortify Capitol after riot
    By LISA MASCARO and MARY CLARE JALONICK
    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House on Thursday narrowly approved $1.9 billion to fortify the Capitol after the Jan. 6 insurrection, as Democrats pushed past Republican opposition to try to harden the complex with retractable fencing and a quick-response force following the most violent domestic attack on Congress in history.

    The bill's 213-212 passage came a day after the House approved the formation of an independent commission to investigate the deadly mob siege by President Donald Trump’s supporters, who battled police to storm the building in a failed attempt to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s election.

    The two measures now face an uncertain outcome in the evenly divided Senate as most Republicans have objected to both. Tensions are running high at the Capitol, with Democrats growing exasperated with Republicans who refuse to acknowledge the severity of the insurrection because of what appears to be their devotion to Trump — and fears of crossing him.

    “We have a major political party in the country that’s ignoring it — we’re trying to solve a problem, they clearly don’t want to sit down and talk about it,” said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, chairman of an appropriations subcommittee handling legislative branch security.

    At the same time, the idea of bolstered security at the Capitol saddened many lawmakers who said they see no other choice because of the ongoing threats on Congress. Several leading liberal Democrats opposed the security money over concerns about policing, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders worked the floor during votes to ensure passage.

    Together, the package of bills stemming from the domestic assault by Trump supporters on the Capitol reminded some lawmakers of the changes that emerged from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Then, a landmark commission investigated the attack's root causes and authorities hardened the security apparatus across the federal government.

    Thursday's vote capped two days of emotionally wrenching debate as the political divide, particularly in the House, has widened in the months since the January assault.

    House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rosa DeLauro recalled her own experience being trapped in the House gallery that day as the attackers tried to break in, calling her husband to tell him she was OK after Capitol Police told her to duck on the floor.

    “This bill is not about politics, it’s not about settling scores,” DeLauro said. “It’s about ensuring that every person who comes into the Capitol is safe and is protected.”

    Republicans argued that the spending bill is too expensive and no fencing is needed. Many of them said lawmakers should be spending money on border security, not Capitol security.

    Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, contended that Democrats would rather spend money on a wall "around this building in D.C.” than they would on finishing a border wall advocated by Trump.

    Already, National Guard troops have been protecting the building for months and public access is severely limited. Though razor-wire-topped fencing that stood as a stark reminder of the siege has been removed, an extended perimeter fence remains in place, cutting off access to the lush grounds popular with the public.

    The Democrats who opposed the security legislation were some of the most liberal in the House. Some have expressed the view that police treat people of color unfairly. Democratic Reps. Cori Bush of Missouri, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota voted against it.

    Omar said she had “not been convinced of the importance of the money.”

    Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Jamaal Bowman of New York and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan voted “present,” effectively saving the measure from going down to defeat.

    The chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, said the lawmakers “wanted to make sure that there were accountability measures” on the security funds. She voted for the bill.

    Senate Democrats will not be able to pass either bill on their own in the evenly split 50-50 Senate and could have trouble persuading enough Republicans to vote with them after Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell announced he would oppose the inquiry. Ten GOP senators would need to join Democrats to meet the 60-vote threshold needed to advance legislation. Changes could be made to win over their support.

    Months in the making, the emergency spending package incorporates the recommendations from an outside panel of experts to beef up security after the mob attack.

    The bill includes money for new fencing — either retractable or “pop in,” according to Democrats — that would protect the grounds. The legislation bars money from being used for permanent above-ground fencing, reflecting the wishes of most members of Congress that the area should be open to the public.

    Other changes would fortify windows and doors, install new security vestibules and cameras, and protect members with increased security at home and in Washington, as threats against them have doubled in the last year. There is also money to protect federal judges who are prosecuting the rioters and have received threats, and to repay the Capitol Police and other federal agencies for their efforts on Jan. 6.

    Some lawmakers have objected to the proposal for the National Guard to maintain a “quick response force” nearby after it took hours for Guard troops to arrive Jan. 6 as attackers were brutally beating officers.

    Leading Republicans on the armed services committees in the House and Senate oppose relying on the troops for the work of protecting the Capitol.

    The National Guard Association of the United States said in a statement that the Guard should only be used for law enforcement as a “last resort.”

    Democrats said they, too, are uneasy with many of the military-like measures, but say they have little choice but to protect the building. The delays in sending the Guard to the Capitol have been blamed in part for the failure to contain the violence. Five people died, including a Trump supporter shot and killed by police as she tried to climb through a broken window to access the House chamber, and a police officer who fought off the mob and died later.

    “We’ve never had a quick response for us here — you know, we’ve never had an insurrection, either,” Ryan said. “So thinking has to evolve in order to try to solve some of these problems.”

    ___

    Associated Press writer Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.


    Thoughts on this?

    The govt is making itself seem less accessible?
    Individual representatives can choose to be more accessible at home in their districts.  The seat of govt doesn't need to be so.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,939
    The people are making themselves to be more violent. More guns are the answer.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 21,321
    mickeyrat said:
     
    House narrowly approves $1.9B to fortify Capitol after riot
    By LISA MASCARO and MARY CLARE JALONICK
    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House on Thursday narrowly approved $1.9 billion to fortify the Capitol after the Jan. 6 insurrection, as Democrats pushed past Republican opposition to try to harden the complex with retractable fencing and a quick-response force following the most violent domestic attack on Congress in history.

    The bill's 213-212 passage came a day after the House approved the formation of an independent commission to investigate the deadly mob siege by President Donald Trump’s supporters, who battled police to storm the building in a failed attempt to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s election.

    The two measures now face an uncertain outcome in the evenly divided Senate as most Republicans have objected to both. Tensions are running high at the Capitol, with Democrats growing exasperated with Republicans who refuse to acknowledge the severity of the insurrection because of what appears to be their devotion to Trump — and fears of crossing him.

    “We have a major political party in the country that’s ignoring it — we’re trying to solve a problem, they clearly don’t want to sit down and talk about it,” said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, chairman of an appropriations subcommittee handling legislative branch security.

    At the same time, the idea of bolstered security at the Capitol saddened many lawmakers who said they see no other choice because of the ongoing threats on Congress. Several leading liberal Democrats opposed the security money over concerns about policing, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders worked the floor during votes to ensure passage.

    Together, the package of bills stemming from the domestic assault by Trump supporters on the Capitol reminded some lawmakers of the changes that emerged from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Then, a landmark commission investigated the attack's root causes and authorities hardened the security apparatus across the federal government.

    Thursday's vote capped two days of emotionally wrenching debate as the political divide, particularly in the House, has widened in the months since the January assault.

    House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rosa DeLauro recalled her own experience being trapped in the House gallery that day as the attackers tried to break in, calling her husband to tell him she was OK after Capitol Police told her to duck on the floor.

    “This bill is not about politics, it’s not about settling scores,” DeLauro said. “It’s about ensuring that every person who comes into the Capitol is safe and is protected.”

    Republicans argued that the spending bill is too expensive and no fencing is needed. Many of them said lawmakers should be spending money on border security, not Capitol security.

    Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, contended that Democrats would rather spend money on a wall "around this building in D.C.” than they would on finishing a border wall advocated by Trump.

    Already, National Guard troops have been protecting the building for months and public access is severely limited. Though razor-wire-topped fencing that stood as a stark reminder of the siege has been removed, an extended perimeter fence remains in place, cutting off access to the lush grounds popular with the public.

    The Democrats who opposed the security legislation were some of the most liberal in the House. Some have expressed the view that police treat people of color unfairly. Democratic Reps. Cori Bush of Missouri, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota voted against it.

    Omar said she had “not been convinced of the importance of the money.”

    Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Jamaal Bowman of New York and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan voted “present,” effectively saving the measure from going down to defeat.

    The chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, said the lawmakers “wanted to make sure that there were accountability measures” on the security funds. She voted for the bill.

    Senate Democrats will not be able to pass either bill on their own in the evenly split 50-50 Senate and could have trouble persuading enough Republicans to vote with them after Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell announced he would oppose the inquiry. Ten GOP senators would need to join Democrats to meet the 60-vote threshold needed to advance legislation. Changes could be made to win over their support.

    Months in the making, the emergency spending package incorporates the recommendations from an outside panel of experts to beef up security after the mob attack.

    The bill includes money for new fencing — either retractable or “pop in,” according to Democrats — that would protect the grounds. The legislation bars money from being used for permanent above-ground fencing, reflecting the wishes of most members of Congress that the area should be open to the public.

    Other changes would fortify windows and doors, install new security vestibules and cameras, and protect members with increased security at home and in Washington, as threats against them have doubled in the last year. There is also money to protect federal judges who are prosecuting the rioters and have received threats, and to repay the Capitol Police and other federal agencies for their efforts on Jan. 6.

    Some lawmakers have objected to the proposal for the National Guard to maintain a “quick response force” nearby after it took hours for Guard troops to arrive Jan. 6 as attackers were brutally beating officers.

    Leading Republicans on the armed services committees in the House and Senate oppose relying on the troops for the work of protecting the Capitol.

    The National Guard Association of the United States said in a statement that the Guard should only be used for law enforcement as a “last resort.”

    Democrats said they, too, are uneasy with many of the military-like measures, but say they have little choice but to protect the building. The delays in sending the Guard to the Capitol have been blamed in part for the failure to contain the violence. Five people died, including a Trump supporter shot and killed by police as she tried to climb through a broken window to access the House chamber, and a police officer who fought off the mob and died later.

    “We’ve never had a quick response for us here — you know, we’ve never had an insurrection, either,” Ryan said. “So thinking has to evolve in order to try to solve some of these problems.”

    ___

    Associated Press writer Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.


    Thoughts on this?

    The govt is making itself seem less accessible?
    DOJ is again focused on domestic extremism. given the events on Jan 6 and a sizable number of active military/L.E among these anti-govt groups that likely learned alot from the test run. yeah its warranted. Particularly since the GQP seems to be courting that support.

    they can in no way now claim to be for law and order unless its against POC.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,939
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
     
    House narrowly approves $1.9B to fortify Capitol after riot
    By LISA MASCARO and MARY CLARE JALONICK
    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House on Thursday narrowly approved $1.9 billion to fortify the Capitol after the Jan. 6 insurrection, as Democrats pushed past Republican opposition to try to harden the complex with retractable fencing and a quick-response force following the most violent domestic attack on Congress in history.

    The bill's 213-212 passage came a day after the House approved the formation of an independent commission to investigate the deadly mob siege by President Donald Trump’s supporters, who battled police to storm the building in a failed attempt to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s election.

    The two measures now face an uncertain outcome in the evenly divided Senate as most Republicans have objected to both. Tensions are running high at the Capitol, with Democrats growing exasperated with Republicans who refuse to acknowledge the severity of the insurrection because of what appears to be their devotion to Trump — and fears of crossing him.

    “We have a major political party in the country that’s ignoring it — we’re trying to solve a problem, they clearly don’t want to sit down and talk about it,” said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, chairman of an appropriations subcommittee handling legislative branch security.

    At the same time, the idea of bolstered security at the Capitol saddened many lawmakers who said they see no other choice because of the ongoing threats on Congress. Several leading liberal Democrats opposed the security money over concerns about policing, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders worked the floor during votes to ensure passage.

    Together, the package of bills stemming from the domestic assault by Trump supporters on the Capitol reminded some lawmakers of the changes that emerged from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Then, a landmark commission investigated the attack's root causes and authorities hardened the security apparatus across the federal government.

    Thursday's vote capped two days of emotionally wrenching debate as the political divide, particularly in the House, has widened in the months since the January assault.

    House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rosa DeLauro recalled her own experience being trapped in the House gallery that day as the attackers tried to break in, calling her husband to tell him she was OK after Capitol Police told her to duck on the floor.

    “This bill is not about politics, it’s not about settling scores,” DeLauro said. “It’s about ensuring that every person who comes into the Capitol is safe and is protected.”

    Republicans argued that the spending bill is too expensive and no fencing is needed. Many of them said lawmakers should be spending money on border security, not Capitol security.

    Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, contended that Democrats would rather spend money on a wall "around this building in D.C.” than they would on finishing a border wall advocated by Trump.

    Already, National Guard troops have been protecting the building for months and public access is severely limited. Though razor-wire-topped fencing that stood as a stark reminder of the siege has been removed, an extended perimeter fence remains in place, cutting off access to the lush grounds popular with the public.

    The Democrats who opposed the security legislation were some of the most liberal in the House. Some have expressed the view that police treat people of color unfairly. Democratic Reps. Cori Bush of Missouri, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota voted against it.

    Omar said she had “not been convinced of the importance of the money.”

    Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Jamaal Bowman of New York and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan voted “present,” effectively saving the measure from going down to defeat.

    The chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, said the lawmakers “wanted to make sure that there were accountability measures” on the security funds. She voted for the bill.

    Senate Democrats will not be able to pass either bill on their own in the evenly split 50-50 Senate and could have trouble persuading enough Republicans to vote with them after Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell announced he would oppose the inquiry. Ten GOP senators would need to join Democrats to meet the 60-vote threshold needed to advance legislation. Changes could be made to win over their support.

    Months in the making, the emergency spending package incorporates the recommendations from an outside panel of experts to beef up security after the mob attack.

    The bill includes money for new fencing — either retractable or “pop in,” according to Democrats — that would protect the grounds. The legislation bars money from being used for permanent above-ground fencing, reflecting the wishes of most members of Congress that the area should be open to the public.

    Other changes would fortify windows and doors, install new security vestibules and cameras, and protect members with increased security at home and in Washington, as threats against them have doubled in the last year. There is also money to protect federal judges who are prosecuting the rioters and have received threats, and to repay the Capitol Police and other federal agencies for their efforts on Jan. 6.

    Some lawmakers have objected to the proposal for the National Guard to maintain a “quick response force” nearby after it took hours for Guard troops to arrive Jan. 6 as attackers were brutally beating officers.

    Leading Republicans on the armed services committees in the House and Senate oppose relying on the troops for the work of protecting the Capitol.

    The National Guard Association of the United States said in a statement that the Guard should only be used for law enforcement as a “last resort.”

    Democrats said they, too, are uneasy with many of the military-like measures, but say they have little choice but to protect the building. The delays in sending the Guard to the Capitol have been blamed in part for the failure to contain the violence. Five people died, including a Trump supporter shot and killed by police as she tried to climb through a broken window to access the House chamber, and a police officer who fought off the mob and died later.

    “We’ve never had a quick response for us here — you know, we’ve never had an insurrection, either,” Ryan said. “So thinking has to evolve in order to try to solve some of these problems.”

    ___

    Associated Press writer Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.


    Thoughts on this?

    The govt is making itself seem less accessible?
    DOJ is again focused on domestic extremism. given the events on Jan 6 and a sizable number of active military/L.E among these anti-govt groups that likely learned alot from the test run. yeah its warranted. Particularly since the GQP seems to be courting that support.

    they can in no way now claim to be for law and order unless its against POC.

    Let’s not forget the repub members of Congress who aided and abetted the events of January 6th. There’s a deep, white, white nationalist underground in our representative government as they’re just a reflection of society. I really hope the dem committees in the house drag them through the mud and subpoena all the records from law enforcement and our intelligence agencies. These seditionists and traitors need to be exposed. #rememberbenghazi
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,111
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
     
    House narrowly approves $1.9B to fortify Capitol after riot
    By LISA MASCARO and MARY CLARE JALONICK
    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House on Thursday narrowly approved $1.9 billion to fortify the Capitol after the Jan. 6 insurrection, as Democrats pushed past Republican opposition to try to harden the complex with retractable fencing and a quick-response force following the most violent domestic attack on Congress in history.

    The bill's 213-212 passage came a day after the House approved the formation of an independent commission to investigate the deadly mob siege by President Donald Trump’s supporters, who battled police to storm the building in a failed attempt to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s election.

    The two measures now face an uncertain outcome in the evenly divided Senate as most Republicans have objected to both. Tensions are running high at the Capitol, with Democrats growing exasperated with Republicans who refuse to acknowledge the severity of the insurrection because of what appears to be their devotion to Trump — and fears of crossing him.

    “We have a major political party in the country that’s ignoring it — we’re trying to solve a problem, they clearly don’t want to sit down and talk about it,” said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, chairman of an appropriations subcommittee handling legislative branch security.

    At the same time, the idea of bolstered security at the Capitol saddened many lawmakers who said they see no other choice because of the ongoing threats on Congress. Several leading liberal Democrats opposed the security money over concerns about policing, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders worked the floor during votes to ensure passage.

    Together, the package of bills stemming from the domestic assault by Trump supporters on the Capitol reminded some lawmakers of the changes that emerged from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Then, a landmark commission investigated the attack's root causes and authorities hardened the security apparatus across the federal government.

    Thursday's vote capped two days of emotionally wrenching debate as the political divide, particularly in the House, has widened in the months since the January assault.

    House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rosa DeLauro recalled her own experience being trapped in the House gallery that day as the attackers tried to break in, calling her husband to tell him she was OK after Capitol Police told her to duck on the floor.

    “This bill is not about politics, it’s not about settling scores,” DeLauro said. “It’s about ensuring that every person who comes into the Capitol is safe and is protected.”

    Republicans argued that the spending bill is too expensive and no fencing is needed. Many of them said lawmakers should be spending money on border security, not Capitol security.

    Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, contended that Democrats would rather spend money on a wall "around this building in D.C.” than they would on finishing a border wall advocated by Trump.

    Already, National Guard troops have been protecting the building for months and public access is severely limited. Though razor-wire-topped fencing that stood as a stark reminder of the siege has been removed, an extended perimeter fence remains in place, cutting off access to the lush grounds popular with the public.

    The Democrats who opposed the security legislation were some of the most liberal in the House. Some have expressed the view that police treat people of color unfairly. Democratic Reps. Cori Bush of Missouri, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota voted against it.

    Omar said she had “not been convinced of the importance of the money.”

    Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Jamaal Bowman of New York and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan voted “present,” effectively saving the measure from going down to defeat.

    The chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, said the lawmakers “wanted to make sure that there were accountability measures” on the security funds. She voted for the bill.

    Senate Democrats will not be able to pass either bill on their own in the evenly split 50-50 Senate and could have trouble persuading enough Republicans to vote with them after Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell announced he would oppose the inquiry. Ten GOP senators would need to join Democrats to meet the 60-vote threshold needed to advance legislation. Changes could be made to win over their support.

    Months in the making, the emergency spending package incorporates the recommendations from an outside panel of experts to beef up security after the mob attack.

    The bill includes money for new fencing — either retractable or “pop in,” according to Democrats — that would protect the grounds. The legislation bars money from being used for permanent above-ground fencing, reflecting the wishes of most members of Congress that the area should be open to the public.

    Other changes would fortify windows and doors, install new security vestibules and cameras, and protect members with increased security at home and in Washington, as threats against them have doubled in the last year. There is also money to protect federal judges who are prosecuting the rioters and have received threats, and to repay the Capitol Police and other federal agencies for their efforts on Jan. 6.

    Some lawmakers have objected to the proposal for the National Guard to maintain a “quick response force” nearby after it took hours for Guard troops to arrive Jan. 6 as attackers were brutally beating officers.

    Leading Republicans on the armed services committees in the House and Senate oppose relying on the troops for the work of protecting the Capitol.

    The National Guard Association of the United States said in a statement that the Guard should only be used for law enforcement as a “last resort.”

    Democrats said they, too, are uneasy with many of the military-like measures, but say they have little choice but to protect the building. The delays in sending the Guard to the Capitol have been blamed in part for the failure to contain the violence. Five people died, including a Trump supporter shot and killed by police as she tried to climb through a broken window to access the House chamber, and a police officer who fought off the mob and died later.

    “We’ve never had a quick response for us here — you know, we’ve never had an insurrection, either,” Ryan said. “So thinking has to evolve in order to try to solve some of these problems.”

    ___

    Associated Press writer Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.


    Thoughts on this?

    The govt is making itself seem less accessible?
    DOJ is again focused on domestic extremism. given the events on Jan 6 and a sizable number of active military/L.E among these anti-govt groups that likely learned alot from the test run. yeah its warranted. Particularly since the GQP seems to be courting that support.

    they can in no way now claim to be for law and order unless its against POC.

    I remember when they put the fence up around the white house during the clinton years.  They first flew a plane into the white house then a lunatic opened fire w an AK.  Next day there was a fence.  No more homeless on the lawn either.

    At least it won't be permanent fencing.  That's good.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,597
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 

  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,111
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 17,877
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    Going to?

    Dude, they are actively censuring and disempowering those who resist and refuse to "continue the Trump ways."
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,597
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 

  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,212
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    trump was a symptom, not the disease
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,562
    CM189191 said:
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    trump was a symptom, not the disease
    Or the natural outcome
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 21,321
    CM189191 said:
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    trump was a symptom, not the disease

    oh I think he is a deadlier variant that what was....
    .a contagious parasite that exploited a weakness....
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,111
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,597
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 

  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,111
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,484
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,850
    mickeyrat said:
     
    House narrowly approves $1.9B to fortify Capitol after riot
    By LISA MASCARO and MARY CLARE JALONICK
    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House on Thursday narrowly approved $1.9 billion to fortify the Capitol after the Jan. 6 insurrection, as Democrats pushed past Republican opposition to try to harden the complex with retractable fencing and a quick-response force following the most violent domestic attack on Congress in history.

    The bill's 213-212 passage came a day after the House approved the formation of an independent commission to investigate the deadly mob siege by President Donald Trump’s supporters, who battled police to storm the building in a failed attempt to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s election.

    The two measures now face an uncertain outcome in the evenly divided Senate as most Republicans have objected to both. Tensions are running high at the Capitol, with Democrats growing exasperated with Republicans who refuse to acknowledge the severity of the insurrection because of what appears to be their devotion to Trump — and fears of crossing him.

    “We have a major political party in the country that’s ignoring it — we’re trying to solve a problem, they clearly don’t want to sit down and talk about it,” said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, chairman of an appropriations subcommittee handling legislative branch security.

    At the same time, the idea of bolstered security at the Capitol saddened many lawmakers who said they see no other choice because of the ongoing threats on Congress. Several leading liberal Democrats opposed the security money over concerns about policing, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders worked the floor during votes to ensure passage.

    Together, the package of bills stemming from the domestic assault by Trump supporters on the Capitol reminded some lawmakers of the changes that emerged from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Then, a landmark commission investigated the attack's root causes and authorities hardened the security apparatus across the federal government.

    Thursday's vote capped two days of emotionally wrenching debate as the political divide, particularly in the House, has widened in the months since the January assault.

    House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rosa DeLauro recalled her own experience being trapped in the House gallery that day as the attackers tried to break in, calling her husband to tell him she was OK after Capitol Police told her to duck on the floor.

    “This bill is not about politics, it’s not about settling scores,” DeLauro said. “It’s about ensuring that every person who comes into the Capitol is safe and is protected.”

    Republicans argued that the spending bill is too expensive and no fencing is needed. Many of them said lawmakers should be spending money on border security, not Capitol security.

    Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, contended that Democrats would rather spend money on a wall "around this building in D.C.” than they would on finishing a border wall advocated by Trump.

    Already, National Guard troops have been protecting the building for months and public access is severely limited. Though razor-wire-topped fencing that stood as a stark reminder of the siege has been removed, an extended perimeter fence remains in place, cutting off access to the lush grounds popular with the public.

    The Democrats who opposed the security legislation were some of the most liberal in the House. Some have expressed the view that police treat people of color unfairly. Democratic Reps. Cori Bush of Missouri, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota voted against it.

    Omar said she had “not been convinced of the importance of the money.”

    Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Jamaal Bowman of New York and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan voted “present,” effectively saving the measure from going down to defeat.

    The chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, said the lawmakers “wanted to make sure that there were accountability measures” on the security funds. She voted for the bill.

    Senate Democrats will not be able to pass either bill on their own in the evenly split 50-50 Senate and could have trouble persuading enough Republicans to vote with them after Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell announced he would oppose the inquiry. Ten GOP senators would need to join Democrats to meet the 60-vote threshold needed to advance legislation. Changes could be made to win over their support.

    Months in the making, the emergency spending package incorporates the recommendations from an outside panel of experts to beef up security after the mob attack.

    The bill includes money for new fencing — either retractable or “pop in,” according to Democrats — that would protect the grounds. The legislation bars money from being used for permanent above-ground fencing, reflecting the wishes of most members of Congress that the area should be open to the public.

    Other changes would fortify windows and doors, install new security vestibules and cameras, and protect members with increased security at home and in Washington, as threats against them have doubled in the last year. There is also money to protect federal judges who are prosecuting the rioters and have received threats, and to repay the Capitol Police and other federal agencies for their efforts on Jan. 6.

    Some lawmakers have objected to the proposal for the National Guard to maintain a “quick response force” nearby after it took hours for Guard troops to arrive Jan. 6 as attackers were brutally beating officers.

    Leading Republicans on the armed services committees in the House and Senate oppose relying on the troops for the work of protecting the Capitol.

    The National Guard Association of the United States said in a statement that the Guard should only be used for law enforcement as a “last resort.”

    Democrats said they, too, are uneasy with many of the military-like measures, but say they have little choice but to protect the building. The delays in sending the Guard to the Capitol have been blamed in part for the failure to contain the violence. Five people died, including a Trump supporter shot and killed by police as she tried to climb through a broken window to access the House chamber, and a police officer who fought off the mob and died later.

    “We’ve never had a quick response for us here — you know, we’ve never had an insurrection, either,” Ryan said. “So thinking has to evolve in order to try to solve some of these problems.”

    ___

    Associated Press writer Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.


    Thoughts on this?

    The govt is making itself seem less accessible?
    Would have to get into the details.  But on the surface I dislike much of it.  
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,597
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    Talk about a new party is just that... talk. Just like McConnell "not accepting the riots" is also just talk.

    Actions are what matter, and until members of the GOP who have had enough find a backbone and actually break from the party, or until McConnell endorses a 1/6 commission, it's all just talk. 

    Demoting Cheney for telling the truth is action, and proof positive that the GOP is "continuing trump's ways". 

  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,111
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
    Some are so aligned with certain beliefs it won't change, correct.

    Gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets are enough for a bunch of people to look the other way on the rest of the ideals.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 8,032
    That SNL weekend update bit with Kate McKinnon as Liz Cheney this past weekend was pretty spot on. It covered the "talk" of the very miniscule republican defection from Trump.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,939
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
    Some are so aligned with certain beliefs it won't change, correct.

    Gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets are enough for a bunch of people to look the other way on the rest of the ideals.
    If you think these are the ideals that are keeping folks aligned with POOTWH, you're deluding yourself. They could have those "ideals" with almost any repub not aligned with POOTWH.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,111
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
    Some are so aligned with certain beliefs it won't change, correct.

    Gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets are enough for a bunch of people to look the other way on the rest of the ideals.
    If you think these are the ideals that are keeping folks aligned with POOTWH, you're deluding yourself. They could have those "ideals" with almost any repub not aligned with POOTWH.
    Exactly.  Those are the exact things that most every Repub wants.  I said the same thing that you did.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,939
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
    Some are so aligned with certain beliefs it won't change, correct.

    Gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets are enough for a bunch of people to look the other way on the rest of the ideals.
    If you think these are the ideals that are keeping folks aligned with POOTWH, you're deluding yourself. They could have those "ideals" with almost any repub not aligned with POOTWH.
    Exactly.  Those are the exact things that most every Repub wants.  I said the same thing that you did.
    Repubs aren't looking the other way "on the rest of the ideals." They're bought in hook, line and sinker. White supremacy is what attracts them to and keeps them aligned with POOTWH, not gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets. To believe otherwise is delusional.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,111
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
    Some are so aligned with certain beliefs it won't change, correct.

    Gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets are enough for a bunch of people to look the other way on the rest of the ideals.
    If you think these are the ideals that are keeping folks aligned with POOTWH, you're deluding yourself. They could have those "ideals" with almost any repub not aligned with POOTWH.
    Exactly.  Those are the exact things that most every Repub wants.  I said the same thing that you did.
    Repubs aren't looking the other way "on the rest of the ideals." They're bought in hook, line and sinker. White supremacy is what attracts them to and keeps them aligned with POOTWH, not gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets. To believe otherwise is delusional.
    OK sorry you feel that way.

    Saying everyone is a racist that is republican is quite a stretch and shitty but hey, you do you.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,939
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
    Some are so aligned with certain beliefs it won't change, correct.

    Gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets are enough for a bunch of people to look the other way on the rest of the ideals.
    If you think these are the ideals that are keeping folks aligned with POOTWH, you're deluding yourself. They could have those "ideals" with almost any repub not aligned with POOTWH.
    Exactly.  Those are the exact things that most every Repub wants.  I said the same thing that you did.
    Repubs aren't looking the other way "on the rest of the ideals." They're bought in hook, line and sinker. White supremacy is what attracts them to and keeps them aligned with POOTWH, not gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets. To believe otherwise is delusional.
    OK sorry you feel that way.

    Saying everyone is a racist that is republican is quite a stretch and shitty but hey, you do you.
    Well, until the repubs take action against POOTWH and the 35% racist base that has seized control of the repub party, the other 65% are making excuses and seemingly fine with it, particularly repub leadership. Sorry you can’t see that and that you’re buying in and making excuses but you do you.

     Sitting 2022 out? Voting Deathsantis in 2024? Still backing Little Marco? Where does someone like you go? Party/vote wise?

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,597
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
    Some are so aligned with certain beliefs it won't change, correct.

    Gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets are enough for a bunch of people to look the other way on the rest of the ideals.
    If you think these are the ideals that are keeping folks aligned with POOTWH, you're deluding yourself. They could have those "ideals" with almost any repub not aligned with POOTWH.
    Exactly.  Those are the exact things that most every Repub wants.  I said the same thing that you did.
    Repubs aren't looking the other way "on the rest of the ideals." They're bought in hook, line and sinker. White supremacy is what attracts them to and keeps them aligned with POOTWH, not gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets. To believe otherwise is delusional.
    OK sorry you feel that way.

    Saying everyone is a racist that is republican is quite a stretch and shitty but hey, you do you.
    Well, until the repubs take action against POOTWH and the 35% racist base that has seized control of the repub party, the other 65% are making excuses and seemingly fine with it, particularly repub leadership. Sorry you can’t see that and that you’re buying in and making excuses but you do you.

     Sitting 2022 out? Voting Deathsantis in 2024? Still backing Little Marco? Where does someone like you go? Party/vote wise?

    I can’t wait for highlights of Matt Getts Off and Maggie 3 names Restore America rally tonight.
    Yeah, at the end of the day, tacit approval is still approval. 

    I don't necessarily believe everyone who voted for trump is a racist, but clearly trump's racism wasn't a deal breaker for them, so,,,,,,,  🤷‍♂️

  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,597


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,939
    Conservatives: where is the bottom for you? 

    At what point do you say enough is enough? 
    Do you think a majority of the GOP is going to continue the Trump ways?
    The GOP has 100% committed themselves to the trump lie about the election. The ouster of Cheney confirms this. IDK what you see that leads you to believe the GOP isn't fully on board w/ trump, but in reality they are all in. 

    trump's lies have inspired murder and violence and the GOP is fully on board with it. 

    Where is the bottom? When is enough enough? 
    Cheney, Romney, even Mitch wasn't accepting the riots.

    It seems the bigger talking heads are still clinging on.

    That is what I see.

    Cheney was just demoted by the party literally because she wouldn't promote trump's lie and insisted on telling the truth about what happened on 1/6.

    McConnell voted against impeaching & removing trump claiming there would be consequences down the road for him; now he's literally opposing an investigation that (if conducted honestly) would almost certainly lead to consequences for trump. 


    You can see whatever you want to see, but these are facts. 
    I know all this.  You asked what I saw and I told you.  There has also been a call among the ranks to invent a new GOP that is Anti-Trump.  That has caught my eye.
    that will go nowhere. 70+ million voted for that orange turd even after the 4 years he'd had. 
    Some are so aligned with certain beliefs it won't change, correct.

    Gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets are enough for a bunch of people to look the other way on the rest of the ideals.
    If you think these are the ideals that are keeping folks aligned with POOTWH, you're deluding yourself. They could have those "ideals" with almost any repub not aligned with POOTWH.
    Exactly.  Those are the exact things that most every Repub wants.  I said the same thing that you did.
    Repubs aren't looking the other way "on the rest of the ideals." They're bought in hook, line and sinker. White supremacy is what attracts them to and keeps them aligned with POOTWH, not gun rights, immigration, taxes and free markets. To believe otherwise is delusional.
    OK sorry you feel that way.

    Saying everyone is a racist that is republican is quite a stretch and shitty but hey, you do you.
    Well, until the repubs take action against POOTWH and the 35% racist base that has seized control of the repub party, the other 65% are making excuses and seemingly fine with it, particularly repub leadership. Sorry you can’t see that and that you’re buying in and making excuses but you do you.

     Sitting 2022 out? Voting Deathsantis in 2024? Still backing Little Marco? Where does someone like you go? Party/vote wise?

    I can’t wait for highlights of Matt Getts Off and Maggie 3 names Restore America rally tonight.
    Yeah, at the end of the day, tacit approval is still approval. 

    I don't necessarily believe everyone who voted for trump is a racist, but clearly trump's racism wasn't a deal breaker for them, so,,,,,,,  🤷‍♂️
    A presidency bookended by Charlottesville and the January 6th Insurrection and repubs are like meh, just wait until we seize power by disenfranchisement of voters and the ability of repub legislatures to toss out election results we don’t like. All you have to do is see Deathsantis’ Flo Rida as an example. And he’ll be POOTWH’s boy in 2024 (POOTWH isn’t running).
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,484

    LMAO
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 24,186


    That is awesome
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