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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,160
    edited November 2023
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/04/politics/fact-check-capitol-insurrection-january-6-lies/index.html

    Lie: The rioters were invited into the Capitol by police
    common refrain from January 6 rioters, and some of their Republican defenders, is that they were welcomed into the Capitol by police officers.
    Trump said in a book interview in March that “the Capitol Police were ushering people in” and “the Capitol Police were very friendly. You know, they were hugging and kissing.” The claim has been echoed by Trump supporters. For example, Trump-endorsed Republican Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake declared at a Trump rally in October that the people being held in jail over the Capitol attack “were invited in by Capitol Police.”
    Facts First: The claim that the rioters were invited into the Capitol is false. Again, about 140 police officers were assaulted while trying to stop the mob from breaching the Capitol. There were hours-long battles between police and rioters near some entrances. CNN obtained footage from police body-worn cameras showing how dozens of officers engaged in hand-to-hand combat with rioters in a desperate effort to keep them out of the building.
    There are plenty of instances where rioters waltzed into the Capitol without a fight, but only after they had stormed past barricades and, in some cases, even stepped through broken windows. In some areas, police were so outnumbered by the mob that they retreated, stood aside or tried to politely engage with rioters to de-escalate the situation rather than fighting or making arrests, but that is clearly not the same as welcoming rioters into the building.
    Since we don’t have video of every single encounter between police and rioters, it’s theoretically possible that some tiny number of officers did invite rioters in. The Capitol Police announced in September that three officers were facing discipline for unspecified noncriminal “conduct unbecoming” that day, while three others were facing discipline for other policy violations.
    But no evidence has publicly emerged to date of even one officer inviting a rioter into the Capitol. And even if a few isolated incidents emerge in the future, it’s clear that this was not a widespread or systemic occurrence as Trump and others suggested.
    Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger said on CNN in September: “The officers that we have investigated and disciplined, the cases that we investigated, they run from minor infractions to officers making very poor judgments for more serious misconduct. But this notion that the Capitol Police were somehow allowing these folks into the Capitol, inviting them in, helping them, just simply not true.”

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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,366
    edited November 2023
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/04/politics/fact-check-capitol-insurrection-january-6-lies/index.html

    Lie: The rioters were invited into the Capitol by police
    common refrain from January 6 rioters, and some of their Republican defenders, is that they were welcomed into the Capitol by police officers.
    Trump said in a book interview in March that “the Capitol Police were ushering people in” and “the Capitol Police were very friendly. You know, they were hugging and kissing.” The claim has been echoed by Trump supporters. For example, Trump-endorsed Republican Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake declared at a Trump rally in October that the people being held in jail over the Capitol attack “were invited in by Capitol Police.”
    Facts First: The claim that the rioters were invited into the Capitol is false. Again, about 140 police officers were assaulted while trying to stop the mob from breaching the Capitol. There were hours-long battles between police and rioters near some entrances. CNN obtained footage from police body-worn cameras showing how dozens of officers engaged in hand-to-hand combat with rioters in a desperate effort to keep them out of the building.
    There are plenty of instances where rioters waltzed into the Capitol without a fight, but only after they had stormed past barricades and, in some cases, even stepped through broken windows. In some areas, police were so outnumbered by the mob that they retreated, stood aside or tried to politely engage with rioters to de-escalate the situation rather than fighting or making arrests, but that is clearly not the same as welcoming rioters into the building.
    Since we don’t have video of every single encounter between police and rioters, it’s theoretically possible that some tiny number of officers did invite rioters in. The Capitol Police announced in September that three officers were facing discipline for unspecified noncriminal “conduct unbecoming” that day, while three others were facing discipline for other policy violations.
    But no evidence has publicly emerged to date of even one officer inviting a rioter into the Capitol. And even if a few isolated incidents emerge in the future, it’s clear that this was not a widespread or systemic occurrence as Trump and others suggested.
    Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger said on CNN in September: “The officers that we have investigated and disciplined, the cases that we investigated, they run from minor infractions to officers making very poor judgments for more serious misconduct. But this notion that the Capitol Police were somehow allowing these folks into the Capitol, inviting them in, helping them, just simply not true.”

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    Problem is, JB's argument is that since law enforcement shot first, all subsequent actions stemmed from that.... And then something something it was okay to fuck up the Capitol, that part's a little murky to me.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
    static111 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Looks to me like the capitol police were trying to secure the capitol.
    Against 'normal tourists' decked out in *checks notes* camouflage and custom made hoodies commemorating their January 6th uprising as they were trying to storm the building to prevent the certification of votes at the instruction of their cult leader. 

    Just another day in DC really. 
    It's funny I used to do welding on DoD projects and sometimes my work would take me to the DC Maryland Virginia area.  I always took a day to walk around DC, check out the memorials, the capitol, WH, etc.  None of the normal tourists ever looked like that.  But I guess that was a time before PatrioTards, or should I say PatrioTurds?
    Not true. 
    Yeah actually true life experiences.  Worked in DoD projects for nearly a decade.  Some other agencies as well, second biggest customer that we worked with was FEMA.  Spent a decent amount of time in the area every few. years
    So YOU built the FEMA camps!!!!
    Parts of them!
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  • mickeyrat
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,559
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    Looks to me like the capitol police were trying to secure the capitol.  Why does the right hate Law Enforcement?
    If law enforcement illegally and unreasonably fires at me, I would not just sit back and take it. You are so proud that you can't even admit that this is not a tactic that should've been used. The crowd was not unruly before the police starting firing bullets and tear gas at them. 
    That’s what you’ve pivoted to now? 😂😂😂😂 the cops started it 😂😂😂 have a great thanksgiving 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    Looks to me like the capitol police were trying to secure the capitol.  Why does the right hate Law Enforcement?
    If law enforcement illegally and unreasonably fires at me, I would not just sit back and take it. You are so proud that you can't even admit that this is not a tactic that should've been used. The crowd was not unruly before the police starting firing bullets and tear gas at them. 
    That’s what you’ve pivoted to now? 😂😂😂😂 the cops started it 😂😂😂 have a great thanksgiving 
    Could have swore it was ANTIFA.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,344
    mrussel1 said:
    JB16057 said:
    static111 said:
    Looks to me like the capitol police were trying to secure the capitol.  Why does the right hate Law Enforcement?
    If law enforcement illegally and unreasonably fires at me, I would not just sit back and take it. You are so proud that you can't even admit that this is not a tactic that should've been used. The crowd was not unruly before the police starting firing bullets and tear gas at them. 
    That’s what you’ve pivoted to now? 😂😂😂😂 the cops started it 😂😂😂 have a great thanksgiving 
    Could have swore it was ANTIFA.

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,764
    edited November 2023
    Now they’re pushing a narrative that the CPD police tactics escalated the situation. Lol. Blue lives matter indeed. I’m old enough to remember when conservatives pretended to care about the police. 
    So we’ve gone from:
    it was a normal tourist visit -> it was just a response to the George Floyd protests -> it was antifa -> fbi was in the crowd agitating them -> the CPD tactics escalated the situation. 

    I can’t wait to hear the next one. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,034
    Now they’re pushing a narrative that the CPD police tactics escalated the situation. Lol. Blue lives matter indeed. I’m old enough to remember when conservatives pretended to care about the police. 
    So we’ve gone from:
    it was a normal tourist visit -> it was just a response to the George Floyd protests -> it was antifa -> fbi was in the crowd agitating them -> the CPD tactics escalated the situation. 

    I can’t wait to hear the next one. 
    don't forget that fanone and the other injured capitol police officers are crisis actors.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Now they’re pushing a narrative that the CPD police tactics escalated the situation. Lol. Blue lives matter indeed. I’m old enough to remember when conservatives pretended to care about the police. 
    So we’ve gone from:
    it was a normal tourist visit -> it was just a response to the George Floyd protests -> it was antifa -> fbi was in the crowd agitating them -> the CPD tactics escalated the situation. 

    I can’t wait to hear the next one. 
    don't forget that fanone and the other injured capitol police officers are crisis actors.
    There is nothing better than them reminding voters every day about that travesty.  I totally encourage the right wing to make Jan 6th their campaign theme.  FREE THE POLITICAL PRISONERS!  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,034
    edited November 2023
    mrussel1 said:
    Now they’re pushing a narrative that the CPD police tactics escalated the situation. Lol. Blue lives matter indeed. I’m old enough to remember when conservatives pretended to care about the police. 
    So we’ve gone from:
    it was a normal tourist visit -> it was just a response to the George Floyd protests -> it was antifa -> fbi was in the crowd agitating them -> the CPD tactics escalated the situation. 

    I can’t wait to hear the next one. 
    don't forget that fanone and the other injured capitol police officers are crisis actors.
    There is nothing better than them reminding voters every day about that travesty.  I totally encourage the right wing to make Jan 6th their campaign theme.  FREE THE POLITICAL PRISONERS!  
    a lot of the maga ones have already done so. mtg and bobo for sure have. and trump has vowed to pardon every single one of them on day one.
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  • Mikemzl91
    Mikemzl91 Posts: 501
    edited November 2023
    JB16057 
      
      Is John F Kennedy alive or dead?
    I only ask because some people out there with the same beliefs you have seem to think the former president is still alive, which would make him 106 years old. 
  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
    mickeyrat said:
    Lol this is a good one!  Went AWOL because his guy lost. JFC then decided to attack the capitol. Can't make it up
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